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Who the flip are Wolf's Dragoons? Theories proposed and debunked.


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#1 Starne

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 11:27 AM

I'm sure that pretty much all of us have at least heard of Wolf's Dragoons, that fairly enigmatic and extremely well-equipped mercenary outfit that mysteriously appeared over 40 years ago. Since they first appeared, many questions have been asked. I'm here to ask them again, and talk about possible answers.

Who are they, really? Where are they from? Where did all that hardware come from? What's with the employer hopping?

There have been tons of theories put out there, ever since the Dragoons first appeared. Some are more outlandish than others, some just are off-the-wall crazy. Let's talk about some of those theories, and I'll see what I can do to debunk a few of them.

* "They're just Periphery scum that got lucky, and found the mother of all Lostech caches."

This one is one of earliest theories, and was strongest back when the Dragoons were an unknown quantity. First off, let me say that your writer is a tiny bit biased on this one. I've had the honor of working with the Dragoons in the past, and I've gotta say; If they're just mercs or pirates from out in the periphery, they're the best behaved, most organized, and most honorable 'Scum' I've ever heard of.

* "They're genetically engineered beings, created to look like us, by a hyper-advanced alien civilization, to act as spies, and as the vanguard of an invasion!"

Ok, this one is pretty crazy, but it's been repeated often, and needs to be discussed. For starters, if this turns out to be true, I'll eat my own shoes, uncooked, and without any kind of condiments or seasoning(presumably right before the aliens devour my brains). There's all kinds of problems with this theory, first of which is; If there were some kind of advanced non-human civilization out there, don't you think we'd have seen or heard something by now(Kind of depressing, really, that as far as we know, us apes are all alone out here in galaxy.). Second problem is this: If the Dragoons were really spies or a vanguard, where's the invasion? Should'nt our alien overlords have stomped our worlds flat, and made off with our women by now?

* "The Dragoons are actually shape-changing aliens here to steal our worlds, our mechs, and our women"

See above. Whoever came up with this one needs to either lay off the good stuff, or start sharing.

* "They're lost time-travellers from the Star-League Era and/or the Future."

Pretty crazy, but less crazy than the "Brain sucking aliens here to steal our women"

* "They're from a lost colony in the deep periphery, and that colony is a Motherload"

This one you usually hear from pirates and mercs, especially ones from out by Antallos, for whatever reason. While the idea of a lost colony way out there in Periphery, overflowing with lostech is pretty outlandish, it's hardly impossible. But again, not much evidence to support this one.

Now, my favorite theory. "The Dragoons are somehow connected with the lost SLDF, and Kerensky"

There are multiple versions of this theory that I've heard, some of which are pretty depressing.

* The SLDF left, established a colony(or colonies) old man Kerensky died, the infighting starts, and after many generations of said infighting, the Dragoons are all that's left. There was nothing left for them out there, so the survivors returned to the Sphere to make a living as mercs. This is particularly depressing because it suggests that the exodus of the SLDF was all for naught and that they left the Sphere only to find more war.

* The SLDF left, ran into some kind of alien enemy, and the Dragoons are the only survivors. If this were true, would'nt the Dragoons be screaming "The Aliens are coming, the Aliens are coming!" off every mountaintop, and telling all who would listen?

* The SLDF left, formed their own civilization, and the Dragoons are exiles. This one is one of the more plausible theories. It also raises lots of questions. If they're a exiles, why were they cast out? They certainly don't fit the bill of 'violent criminals exiled for the common good'. Could they be political dissidents? A rogue military unit on the run? A religious sect cast out for their beliefs?

So, there you have it, the thoughts of a humble Mechwarrior on the so-called 'Dragoon Mystery'. Thanks for reading, folks.

Edited by Paul Inouye, 19 December 2011 - 02:22 PM.
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#2 Rakett

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 11:54 AM

I fought the Dragoons with the 3rd Free Worlds Guards on Hsien in 3039 and my answer is probably not going to help you sleep at night or give you the warm fuzzies. In short, whatever or whoever you think they are...you're wrong. They're behavior on the battlefield, their equipment and even their mercantile behaviors in the mercenary realm...all are just...well, off. They don't match any type or template for a standard line army, mercenary group or pirate band anywhere in the 'Sphere or Periphery. If I had to take a guess I'd wager they were some military arm of Comstar sent out in the guise of mercenaries to gather intel working for and alongside the various House armies. But, I'm sure I'm wrong and here's why. I only faced them once but I walked away with an understanding that the men and women in that outfit are something greater than the usual gunners, grunts and gearheads we see in the field. Frankly I think they were toying with us on Hsien and the fact that the 3rd made it offworld was less due to our own prowess and more to do with some clinical decision made by the Dragoons. So, with efficiency and prowess as I observed I suspect that they are fully capable of masking their nature and origins as long as they desire to do so. Whoever...or whatever...they are, I offer that they're best left to their own devices. My advice; before signing your next contract make sure the Dragoon's haven't signed for the other side.

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 12:23 PM

Between you and my martini I can safely say no comment on such crazed and bogus stories. One thing I can comment on is the fact Wolf's Dragoons record speaks for its self. We take cash and credit.

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 12:39 PM

I say they are actually originally a spy force sent by a faction of the descendents of the SLDF exodus to spy on us and tell their masters if it's worth coming back the the inner sphere for a invasion or to return home but the wolf dragoon's mission was for naught has they went native or their masters ordered them to prepare the sphere to protect the sphere from a invasion the more militant factions of the SLDF exodus descendents who have since the exodus and a few hundred years of time have turned into something totally different from the original SLDF force that left the inner sphere so long ago.

Now i'm a optimistic guy but i say this is a reasonably plausible scenario given that the dragoons mostly came with intact if dated mechs models who original users were mostly the star league forces.

Ahh but what the heck i'm just a old man who seen much better days.

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 01:01 PM

Ah, I see. As I said, my assessment of the Dragoons is kind of biased, given my experience with them. There's a good story there, so I may as well tell it.

Back when I was still a greenie in the LCAF, My lance was one of two lucky enough to sent on what was supposed to be a simple shakedown run to some backwater mining colony. Some desk-jockey bigwig was going to 'assess and prepare a report as to the condition of local defensive measures.' He was'nt enough of a bigwig to have his own honor guard or anything(but apparently he was connected enough for someone to care about his well-being), so someone decide to send two lances of rookies out with him, to look good(not like the locals would know the differences). Our mission was to strut around, look good and tough for the locals, and any ner'do'wells who might be watching, and get some extra rough terrain training in. Well, it turns out some baddies were watching, but not at the right time. Three days after we're on the ground, two unknown jumpships pops in on the closest pirate point, and deploy dropships. Now, this mining colony was a backwater, but their main export was platinum and some other rare metal., The militia was kinda pathetic, so I guess it was gonna be easy picking for those pirates. They did'nt count on two whole lances of the Commonwealth's finest being on hand(my lance was lost in the mountains, and the other was off-duty and getting drunk in town, I think.). Pirates land just outside of the City, we manage to find our way out of the mountains, drunks stumble to their mechs. Those pirate Dropships must've been loaded to the gills, because they fielded a pretty scary number of tanks and motorized infantry. They had quite a few mechs, but some of them were in pretty poro shape(that poor, banged up hunchback comes to mind). The militia(bunch of angry and drunk miners with bargain bin gear) mobilizes, including three whole Trashcans! Cue "Oh my god, we're gonna die.". We go to link up with the militia to hold the pirates off at the outskirts.

We, the few brave defenders, against the pirate horde. The panic dies down, and we resolve that if we're gonna die, we may as well make it look good. A little before this, unknown to all(the local guys who's job it was supposed to be were probably hiding under their beds or something) another jump ship comes into the system, and launches a dropship. Back to the battle, the first wave of the pirates is on us. I'm near the rear, in my Blackjack, servicing targets. Second wave hits, they're not in as much of hurry as the first, but they really hammer us. by this point they have what could be considered artillery up. Third wave's on it's way before the second is gone. It hits the fan. One of the militia units on the flank breaks. I think the CO flipped out and ordered a retreat or something. Pirates promptly slaughter the retreating militiamen, and begin pouring through the gap.

Around this point, our mystery dropship has made landfall and has deployed a heavy lance. Unknown to us or the pirates, they land in a valley nearby, and move to cut off the gap. So, now the Dragoons enter the story in earnest. Out of nowhere(as far as we, or the pirates knew), three Warhammers open up on the pirates from the flank. Gap is closed, pirates start to rout, we and the remaining militia tanks pursue all the way to the dropships. We manage to cut some of them off and take one of the dropships. Dragoons do their own thing, and go after another dropship, it tries to lift off, scorching some of the pirate stragglers in the process. Dragoons blow it out of the sky.

Day is saved, lots of bad guys die, locals throw a party for the heroic LCAF mechwarriors and the mercenaries, and that planet gets a real garrison. The end.

Edited by Starne, 19 December 2011 - 01:08 PM.


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Posted 19 December 2011 - 01:11 PM

grrr

http://www.youtube.com/v/WCkOmcIl79s

can't get the embed right...

Edited by Technocide Rex, 19 December 2011 - 01:14 PM.


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Posted 19 December 2011 - 01:21 PM

www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkRIbUT6u7Q

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 01:28 PM

http://youtu.be/cpbbuaIA3Ds

Get it yet?

#9 Rakett

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 02:06 PM

Did Comstar let you raid their archives for those videos? That's pre KF drive stuff isn't it? Anyway, I actually get the strong impression that the Dragoon's aren't really in the least bit concerned with cashflow. If you can BUY the gear they have I'd sure like to introduce my quartermaster to their supplier.

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 02:39 PM

Really curious vids you got there... Awful image quality aside I quite like the last one. Anyway, my take on the Dragoons is this: they are actually time-travelers. I mean, whoever had the chance to see some of their equipment will have to agree on me that there are some strange stuff going on there. A former operative from comStar I know, (I never said that) told me once that he recognized one of the lights they use, he told me it was named "Flea" and that it is PRE STAR LEAGUE tech. Don't ask me how he got the info, because again, I never said that. But the thing is, in my opinion, it's not that impossible for them to have accidentaly crossed some kind of wormhole or warp singularity, ending up here, and now. Why don't I support the "periphery dudes who found a cache"? because, having fought them, I can say that they are really honorable warriors to be former periphery pirates. Well except for the Black Widows. They say those are some of the best mechwarriors around but from what I hear, they are just as violent and unstable as the next pirate or convict out there. Just my two cents.

#11 Hayden

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 02:48 PM

Frankly, I think if anyone is behind them it's Comstar. What better to spy on the armed forces of the Inner Sphere than a front-line mercenary unit?

#12 Starne

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 02:50 PM

All this finger pointing at ComStar is kinda disappointing. It's so boring. Where are the "they're ALIENS!" crazies?

#13 Firefly

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 02:54 PM

Who are the Dragoons?

Quite simple:

http://www.mwodragoons.com/wolfnet/

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 01:52 PM

Who are the Dragoons? Who cares? I'm not worried about where they came from, only about if I'm fighting against them.

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 06:30 PM

The Dragoons are obviously at least working for ComStar. Look at how they propped up the snakes during the war of '39.

#16 Starne

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 10:07 AM

Alright, so let's assume that Wolf's Dragoons really are backed by ComStar.

Who are they? ComGuard personnel? ComGuard, I know. Those dudes that protect the HPG stations. They're just glorified security guards. Or are they? There's a scary thought.

What is the goal? Surely there are easier, and less conspicuous ways to procure intelligence about the various successor states. If not intelligence gathering, what is the goal? You don't just do something like this for the laughs.

The Tech, again, the Tech. Every source one can find on the Dragoons will say that they are hideously over equipped, and have some really strange equippment in their inventory. I've managed to dig up some video of a mech that looks like an assault-sized Urbie. Go figure. Anyway, if the Dragoons really are connected to ComStar, where did all this hardware come from? Could the stories about huge storehouses on Terra, filled with Lostech be true? What about the more unique stuff, like the aforementioned 'Giant Urbie'? Does ComStar not only have access to insane amounts of Lostech, but also the capability to develop new Mech designs? This is another scary thought, for me at least.

Here's a tip for whoever is behind the Dragoons, if anyone. If you're going for inconspicuous, don't send your boys and girls out with Tech that everyone in the Sphere will be drooling over.

( In my defense, Paul, there was no profanity in the original thread title. No, seriously. It was just four asterisks. Don't look at me like that. I'm not joking.)

Edited by Starne, 23 December 2011 - 10:08 AM.


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Posted 23 December 2011 - 02:29 PM

We bumped into them Dragoons on Glenmora in '28. Very, very impressive. We had all heard the rumors, but you know, half that stuff you hear is just crap; scared folks making stuff up to alay there own fears. One thing I could never understand though was the condition of their mechs. Everyone of them looked liked they had just rolled off the assembly line. I kept asking myself how is that possible. I mean, we hadn't seen some of these mechs in 300+ years yet here they were - spit polished and clean; like they had never been in combat. When I walked up the fence around their compound, several of their Guards were quick to point out my transgressions and escorted me to what they determined to be a safe distance - forcefully. Them guards never uttered a word; just went about their business.

Edited by Redburn, 23 December 2011 - 02:30 PM.


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Posted 12 January 2012 - 03:42 PM

For every one out there I can guarantee we aren't comstar spies, because if we were, all of you that are trying to point fingers at comstar would be dead, oh by the way Cmdr. Hurrell, sry about your friend, I found him in the gutter last week while I was on R&R, had a note for you from the ROM, at least that's what I think it says, this guy's handwriting is terrible, or maybe it's the rain, anywho, it says, *clears throat* "To Cmdr. Hurrell, keep propagating these lies and you will end like your friend here." Sounds like you need to watch your back mate, you ever get in a pinch, give me a call.

EDIT: Oh and Redburn, that's because we don't like other people that aren't in our unit to, snoop around per say. You don't see me just waltzing down your mechbay, so same principle applies.

Edited by guardian wolf, 12 January 2012 - 03:58 PM.


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Posted 14 January 2012 - 11:22 AM

Aint never had a problem with the Dragoons ... so cant say what or who they are other good and for the most part tactically brilliant fighters ... There is enough crap goin on in the universe with out crazies startin crap ... every man woman an child are allowed their secrets an privacy...

Even the best person out there has ...things... they dont like to talk about and share, their equipment is maintained with a high priority, but they are not aliens, nor gods, they are men, and they dont always succeed at what they do either. The dragoons are what they always have been an excellent force that can protect or destroy as they are paid to do, you may end up on the wrong side or the same side thats the way it works in the merc world.

As for tech ...you would be very surprised at what is out there... If one is lucky, or depending on how you look at it unlucky, but I have never heard a bad thing about the Dragoons.

Then again ... I am old and been on several sides, some times I have won, other times they have won, but unlike some of the houses out there, I aint never been treated poorly by the Dragoons when I lost, oddly enough they have a sense of honor when dealing with such things. So to the Dragoons I say good hunting, may your contracts be sound, and your battles glorious.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 05:55 PM

Thank you Rabbit, I think next time I see you in the field, badly mauled, I will allow you a chance to retreat, and live to fight another day.





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