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#21 Kaemon

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 05:24 AM

No breaks, Quality Control (even in minor things) makes the difference in online gaming.

There will be 8 mech style games that are out or coming out this year.

8.

The games that prosper (and survive) will be the ones that executes their vision and game plan (pun intended) the best.

This is a business, and while the System Nominal™ issue is really not an issue (if they had changed it, oh well, it's a reboot), it is a very good indicator of how important Quality Control is in this medium.

Once again, it's not an issue, but a very good reminder of your customer base's expectations, and how tough the online gaming industry is as a whole.

That being said, I'm not worried in the slightest.

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#22 GDL Rahsan

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 05:26 AM

View PostRamrod, on 02 March 2012 - 03:05 AM, said:


He's paraphrasing a different game. A game that mentions something about arrows and knees. This is your only hint.


I never played Skyrim, so sadly I didn't get the reference, oh well.

#23 Mchawkeye

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 06:55 AM

Thanks to everyone for the comments, always nice to know you are neither alone nor imagining things.

View PostSpooky, on 02 March 2012 - 02:48 AM, said:

Discussing things is not "shouting down our better angels". If anything it's apraising them. Everyone of us wants any game you like, a well done and polished game. Therefore, if there is anything you don't like, or notice otherwise, you bring it up for discussion. There is nothing wrong with that.


Spooky, I feel you missed the point of what I was saying. I didn't say that discussing things was shouting down our better angels. I said that we perhaps do; in other words, give in to our more rabid geekiosity. Pretty sure that's just a word I invented.



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You are making way too big a deal out of this, than it really was.

It has been discussed, and the devs confirmed that it was a hasty oversight. There was nothing wrong with bringing that up.

That wasn't even a big issue.

If someone thought hands on an Atlas were a deal breaker, than that person obviously was not familiar with BattleTech before.

As already discussed, drop doors make more sense anyway and canon wise it was never specifically said, that Leopard DropShips wouldn't have these. I am looking forward for what they have come up with on Ovoid DropShips.

It was brought up, it was explained by the devs (and the fans alike, since one LRM launcher on the Atlas shoots 2 consecutive missiles in one Salvo anyway), everyone was happy. Where do you see the harm?


Now I really think you missed the point. I am aware of what has been going on, and all the replies to this and that and the other. what I am saying is, really, in the scale of things, these things (and things like this) don't matter, so lets cut the devs a break and let some stuff slide for once.


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Then acknowledge it and discuss it with us ;).


I don't think you get a post count like mine by not discussing things. And you'll notice, by the way I started this thread, that I want to discuss things.

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As you said, we want a "perfect", polished game. Little details matter as well. Naturally, the devs decide what is important and thus gets priority. It's not for us to decide.


I have raised a similar point else where in the forums. Whilst I was, you know, discussing stuff.


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But it does. Imagine if the devs thought "those silly BattleTech fans. I don't care what the computer says". Wouldn't you want a game like MechWarrior: Online to be developed by someone, who cares about BattleTech, MechWarrior, its fans and it's long nostalgic history? And evidently, they care deeply about it.
This is more a matter of principle, of course.


I do want that. In fact, I acknowledged that at the start of my post. What I don't want is the devs to change something or miss something only to be greeted by the slathering jaws of rabid fanpeople. We need to calm down and and go easier on them is all I am saying.

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And, haven't the devs already said, how they love us for discussing all these things, even the little ones? :D Would you really want to turn your back on them?


Who said anything about turning any back on anything what?
And I am sure they love discussing the small wee fun bits. Of course. It gives Paul something to do other than his job. but there must be times when they look at some of things we have posted and sighed, shaken their heads and reached for the bottle of single malt in the bottom draw. Or laughed at us. I am merely suggesting we might want to avoid given them alcoholism or some form of post traumatic stress.

But then, they would never tell us that, and I would nor expect them too.

Also, as far as 40k goes...I love 40k. love it. I just think Battletech is generally a better, more involved game...And these kids these days...Well, they don't want to give anything non GW the time of day, sadly.

Darn kids.

#24 Spooky

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 07:03 AM

I understand what you mean, but none of the examples so far fit. At some point in the future, when we are able to actually play the game, there surely will be a lot more things, that people can possibly rage about. But that does not mean, that you should omit of discussing things that are seemingly insignificant.

#25 MaddMaxx

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 08:08 AM

View PostSpooky, on 02 March 2012 - 04:15 AM, said:


At the very least it was not like this:

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You draw that Spooky? If so very well done sir. I LOL'd at it's ability to graphically represent what seems like a rather slight over reaction. LOL (see, I did it again) ;)

#26 Spooky

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 08:17 AM

Err, no, it's a common meme picture ;). I just added the text.

#27 Paul Inouye

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 10:21 AM

Yeah... what he said!!

Great pic by the way Spooky! :)

#28 Mchawkeye

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 11:54 AM

View PostSpooky, on 02 March 2012 - 07:03 AM, said:

I understand what you mean, but none of the examples so far fit. At some point in the future, when we are able to actually play the game, there surely will be a lot more things, that people can possibly rage about. But that does not mean, that you should omit of discussing things that are seemingly insignificant.


All of those examples fit, Spooks. That's why I chose them.
You seem to be thinking that I want to ban discussion, which simply isn't true in the slightest. I just want people to think before they speak and realise that the people whose work they are complaining about are, in fact people. Even Paul.
As an artist and craftsman, I enjoy criticism. It's part of the job, part of getting better at what you do.
But when people nitpick over something largely pointless or -worse yet- complain before you have finished (Worse even yet, when you have explained to them that it's not finished, and they persist) it is another thing entirely. At best it's slightly annoying, at worst it's hurtful.
I am simply suggesting people need to self moderate, not stop talking about things.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 02:34 PM

View PostMchawkeye, on 02 March 2012 - 11:54 AM, said:


All of those examples fit, Spooks. That's why I chose them.
You seem to be thinking that I want to ban discussion, which simply isn't true in the slightest. I just want people to think before they speak and realise that the people whose work they are complaining about are, in fact people. Even Paul.
As an artist and craftsman, I enjoy criticism. It's part of the job, part of getting better at what you do.
But when people nitpick over something largely pointless or -worse yet- complain before you have finished (Worse even yet, when you have explained to them that it's not finished, and they persist) it is another thing entirely. At best it's slightly annoying, at worst it's hurtful.
I am simply suggesting people need to self moderate, not stop talking about things.

No, those examples did not fit, in my oppinion. They were all perfectly viable discussions and should not have been ommitted.


View PostMchawkeye, on 02 March 2012 - 11:54 AM, said:

I am simply suggesting people need to self moderate, not stop talking about things.

You suggest self moderation, yet you try to impart your own view on what's important or not, by giving examples of recent discussions, that you apparently see as unnecessary nitpicking which should have been "self censored".


View PostPaul Inouye, on 02 March 2012 - 10:21 AM, said:

Yeah... what he said!!

Great pic by the way Spooky! :mellow:

Thx, I was surprised no one else thought about it :) (or maybe I just missed it)

Edited by Spooky, 02 March 2012 - 02:35 PM.


#30 CeeKay Boques

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 02:43 PM

Do I get a break? No. They've left so many doors open, and answered so many others, that I keep thinking about MechWarrior all the time. I have certifications to do, but they're each taking an hour too long because I come here and make posts like this. I have A lot to do. Never the less, I've spent 2 hours of my 9 hour workday checking out all the mech related stuff and I'm not even getting paid for THAT. You know where those two hours are coming out of? Me staying late.

So, its irresponsible of PGI to inflict obvious addicts with a deluge of data, and withhold other data. No breaks for them, I'm working late because they decided to roll this game out. They need to hurry up so I can play this game at night, so I dont' think about it all day, its REALLY getting in the way of my productivity. It's the price they pay. They want to drive me crazy... NO BREAKS, JUST CODING.

#31 Garth Erlam

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 02:50 PM

View PostGB_Krubarax, on 02 March 2012 - 03:04 AM, said:

Do not forget that the devs does not even have to watch and comment in the forums. They probably do because they want to know what we think.

In fact, that's pretty much my entire job :)

#32 Mchawkeye

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 02:53 PM

Spooky, I feel like you read, maybe, every third line of my posts.

All I'm suggesting, in the plainest possible terms, is that we consider that there are people, working very hard, for something great. And perhaps, nitpicking at such things (whether you agree to my examples or otherwise) might possibly not be very nice for them. And perhaps, we should consider that before we start typing. So as to be nice to these lovely people that are doing something good for all of us.

I am not saying do not criticise. I am not saying do not discuss. I am simply saying be nice, be conscientious.

View PostGarth Erlam, on 02 March 2012 - 02:50 PM, said:

In fact, that's pretty much my entire job :)


Lucky b******d.

#33 Garth Erlam

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 03:01 PM

Lucky in that I get to hear about how the game I am currently watching is vaporware all the time? Absolutely :)

Honestly the hardest part of working on this project is not showing more - but there are very specific reasons. Unless something is 100% complete, we will not show it. They will be shown at specific events to help build hype and knowledge. This isn't to troll you or make all of you angry, it's specifically done to give this game the best chance we can to be a success.

Honestly, you will be both surprised and happy with what you see from GDC. Will it answer everything? No. Will you want more? Yes. Will people still find things to complain about? Absolutely.

But if you have questions/comments/opinions/etc, I will forward them to the devs here. That is my job. I do it all day every day. However, if you're me, which of the following comments are you most likely to look into:

1) I believe the inside of the dropship is surprisingly large given the picture of the dropship we were given. What lead to this?

or

2) That dropship is awful look how bad the sizing is. It's like they've never seen anything from MechWarrior before ever.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 03:03 PM

View PostGarth Erlam, on 02 March 2012 - 03:01 PM, said:

Lucky in that I get to hear about how the game I am currently watching is vaporware all the time? Absolutely :)

Honestly the hardest part of working on this project is not showing more - but there are very specific reasons. Unless something is 100% complete, we will not show it. They will be shown at specific events to help build hype and knowledge. This isn't to troll you or make all of you angry, it's specifically done to give this game the best chance we can to be a success.

Honestly, you will be both surprised and happy with what you see from GDC. Will it answer everything? No. Will you want more? Yes. Will people still find things to complain about? Absolutely.

But if you have questions/comments/opinions/etc, I will forward them to the devs here. That is my job. I do it all day every day. However, if you're me, which of the following comments are you most likely to look into:

1) I believe the inside of the dropship is surprisingly large given the picture of the dropship we were given. What lead to this?

or

2) That dropship is awful look how bad the sizing is. It's like they've never seen anything from MechWarrior before ever.


Language Mr. Erlam, Language!

What?!?!?!?!!?!?!? I'm just sayin!

#35 Garth Erlam

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 03:06 PM

Yes, sadly the board still finds certain rather tame words to be 'offensive' :)

#36 Aegis Kleais

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 04:45 PM

Oh look.

ANOTHER meme.

*Looks over to his 1911*.........it is the only way out. The lemmings...they're everywhere.... I'm surrounded! Their mindless brain-decaying chatter!!! MY MIND!! MY EARS!!! MY MIND'S EARS!!!!

#37 Maris

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 05:23 PM

I find that this board is really really tame. Yes there are the occasional nerd-rant and the vaporware claims but its very mild. If you think this is bad, you will be outright depressed when the game launches and the true "masses" who don't really give a crap about Battletech/Mechwarrior IP hits the forums. Its going to get ugly and well, every MMO/Online game is like this. Sad fact. I'm sure the PGI team expects that.

Right now, its really us BT/Mechwarrior fans backpatting each others most of the time, tbh. Its really nice, I'm enjoying the atmosphere but it won't last... :)

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 05:41 PM

View PostGarth Erlam, on 02 March 2012 - 03:01 PM, said:

Lucky in that I get to hear about how the game I am currently watching is vaporware all the time? Absolutely :mellow:

Honestly the hardest part of working on this project is not showing more - but there are very specific reasons. Unless something is 100% complete, we will not show it. They will be shown at specific events to help build hype and knowledge. This isn't to troll you or make all of you angry, it's specifically done to give this game the best chance we can to be a success.

Honestly, you will be both surprised and happy with what you see from GDC. Will it answer everything? No. Will you want more? Yes. Will people still find things to complain about? Absolutely.

But if you have questions/comments/opinions/etc, I will forward them to the devs here. That is my job. I do it all day every day. However, if you're me, which of the following comments are you most likely to look into:

1) I believe the inside of the dropship is surprisingly large given the picture of the dropship we were given. What lead to this?

or

2) That dropship is awful look how bad the sizing is. It's like they've never seen anything from MechWarrior before ever.

Unfortunately while waiting for beta people tend to engage keyboard before brain :)
My favourite of the gripes so far were those who were complaining that too many of the mechs were "humanoid" as that way lies gundam/anime. Obviously not familiar with where many of the originals came from. Personally I think FD's take on mechs is excellent and worthy of a "reboot".

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 06:16 PM

View PostJehan, on 02 March 2012 - 04:55 AM, said:

Devs should exploit those obvious weaknesses in gamer's psychology...

Leave the computer voice at "All systems Online" and after the release, put in the game store:

[ Computer's systems check now says "Nominal" ] ---- 0.79€

With 2 or 3 more little perks like that, the game would auto-finance in less than 2 weeks...


Are you sayin only Brits should get that ,,boy am I gonna start a Flammen thread now.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 06:48 PM

I think the dev's have thicker skin than we give them credit for....I was on that bandwaggon about the all systems nominal, but I was "upset" about it all in fun. and I think the dev's knew that. It showed the dev's they were working on a project that a lot of us have passion for along with them.

I'd almost guarentee there was a discussion before hand, "do you think we'd get a reaction if we said all systems "online" instead of "nominal"?, I'm certain it didn't accidently get put in like that.

Basically, all this "attention to detail" that I see, I take it as a love for the game, & i'm willing to bet the dev's do too. On the other hand, accusing the dev's of creating vaporware, or working too slow & such i think is unconstructive & i'll agree with you on these points, give the dev's a break! :)





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