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[Catamount]

Yeah my next system in a year or so will definitely be a mid-budget build (probably an $800 tower, sans SSD/HDD, optical, and case), so AMD may just end up being attractive to me. More than likely whoever has the better overclocking chips will be attractive

Edited by Catamount, 10 March 2012 - 03:09 PM.

[SGT Unther]

Right now IMO AMD is better for overclocking, the FX series CPU has the world record of 8.5ghz. However comparing stock performance Intel is superior right now, and for gaming value the only cpu from AMD I could recomend would be the FX-4100.

[LaorDeLove]

Dude. You just set off the 5th Succession War. LOL. To be honest they both work. It all depends on if you want to spend more money, but potentially better quality on a Intel. If you want the most bang for your buck but runs hotter with slightly higher risk of failure, go with AMD. I work at a company on IT help desk. I build computers with Intel because my boss favors it. I have had a PC with AMD last from 2002- 2009. I am pretty sure it works, but the computer became to slow to run the games I wanted. 2011 I built a new PC using the case from the previous AMD PC that is a quad core AMD with Windows 7. My work computer is a quad core Intel i5. They both work. It is asking like which car company is better Ford or GM. (I just started the 6th Succession War. Opps. LOL) They both work. They both get you from point A to point B. It is all about brand loyalty and personal experience. If your dad drove a GM, you are more likely to drive a GM unless it breaks down all the time. Then you would find a different type of car. Same with Ford. If your dad drove a Ford and it blew up, you would find something else to drive like an M4A4 Sherman. It is all about preference. And yes a M4A4 is a tank, and it is American made. LOL This is just my humble opinion. Good luck xxdrxdeathxx

[CeeKay Boques]

I would say it WAS even, and I am an AMD fanboy because they've always been gamer/budget centric, but right now Intel just has the right Tech. AMD will catch up one day. But not this day.

Edited by Technoviking, 12 April 2012 - 02:15 PM.

[LordDeathStrike]

DV^McKenna, on 03 March 2012 - 09:45 AM, said:

Its a shame very few games make use of 8 core

very few games make use of quad core, no games or real world aps use 8 cores!

overclocking is rubbish, if it cant run a game at stock speed its a piece of **** *aka an amd*

Edited by LordDeathStrike, 13 April 2012 - 02:30 AM.

[Chas]

SGT Unther, on 12 April 2012 - 10:54 AM, said:

Right now IMO AMD is better for overclocking, the FX series CPU has the world record of 8.5ghz. However comparing stock performance Intel is superior right now, and for gaming value the only cpu from AMD I could recomend would be the FX-4100.

Booting a system with the CPU immersed in Liquid Nitrogen to support a crazy overclock is nice and all. But it has exactly ZERO bearing on a vendor's suitability as a gaming machine at or near stock speeds with less...esoteric cooling measures (read, stuff that doesn't require a fortune in LN₂ and massive dehumidification to prevent ruining the board after a day or two).

[Long Draw]

Here's what I have in my custom build from last April:

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System Information
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Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (Free license from DeVry Enrollment)
System Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
System Model: H67A-UD3H-B3
Processor: Intel® Core™ i7-2600 CPU @ 3.40GHz (8 CPUs), ~3.7GHz
Memory: 16384MB RAM (Patriot G5 Series 4GB Modules x4)
Page File: 3625MB used, 28975MB available
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
---------------
Display Devices
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Card name: Intel® HD Graphics
Chip type: Intel® HD Graphics Family
Display Memory: 1696 MB
Dedicated Memory: 64 MB
Shared Memory: 1632 MB
Current Mode: 1600 x 1200 (32 bit) (59Hz)
Monitor Name: SyncMaster P2770HD/P2770(Digital)
Monitor Id: SAM05ED
Native Mode: 1920 x 1080(p) (60.000Hz)
Output Type: HDMI
D3D9 Overlay: Supported
DXVA-HD: Supported
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
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Sound Devices
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Logitech 5.1 X530 Surround System (previously purchased)
Description: SyncMaster (Intel® Display Audio)
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DirectInput Devices
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Device Name: WingMan Force 3D
Attached: 1
Device Name: American Power Conversion USB 900VA UPS
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Disk & DVD/CD-ROM Drives
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Drive: C:
Free Space: 303.3 GB
Total Space: 953.8 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: WDC WD1002FAEX-007BA0 ATA Device
Drive: D:
Model: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH22NS50 ATA Device

Note that I did not install a graphics accellerator in my computer, yet my system is able to run PS2, PS1, N64 and SNES emulators running games simultaneously while playing music in Win Media Player and with over 100 IE tabs open at the same time (one of them running CastleVille on fb at the time).

Now, my system cost me $3300 for all new parts and case including the purchase of the monitor and 3 year replacement warranty on all components and the monitor. Oh, and my suggestion is to check if you have a Micro Center near you because they'll price match newegg, Fry's Electronics, Best Buy, HH Gregg, Walmart and lots more stores. I actually got employee pricing at Micro Center on everything I bought minus the case which was $20 more than EP and the memory which was $20 lower than Micro Center's EP at the time.

[Vulpesveritas]

Long Draw, on 17 April 2012 - 08:48 PM, said:

Here's what I have in my custom build from last April:

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System Information
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Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (Free license from DeVry Enrollment)
System Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
System Model: H67A-UD3H-B3
Processor: Intel® Core™ i7-2600 CPU @ 3.40GHz (8 CPUs), ~3.7GHz
Memory: 16384MB RAM (Patriot G5 Series 4GB Modules x4)
Page File: 3625MB used, 28975MB available
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
---------------
Display Devices
---------------
Card name: Intel® HD Graphics
Chip type: Intel® HD Graphics Family
Display Memory: 1696 MB
Dedicated Memory: 64 MB
Shared Memory: 1632 MB
Current Mode: 1600 x 1200 (32 bit) (59Hz)
Monitor Name: SyncMaster P2770HD/P2770(Digital)
Monitor Id: SAM05ED
Native Mode: 1920 x 1080(p) (60.000Hz)
Output Type: HDMI
D3D9 Overlay: Supported
DXVA-HD: Supported
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
-------------
Sound Devices
-------------
Logitech 5.1 X530 Surround System (previously purchased)
Description: SyncMaster (Intel® Display Audio)
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DirectInput Devices
-------------------
Device Name: WingMan Force 3D
Attached: 1
Device Name: American Power Conversion USB 900VA UPS
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Disk & DVD/CD-ROM Drives
------------------------
Drive: C:
Free Space: 303.3 GB
Total Space: 953.8 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: WDC WD1002FAEX-007BA0 ATA Device
Drive: D:
Model: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH22NS50 ATA Device

Note that I did not install a graphics accellerator in my computer, yet my system is able to run PS2, PS1, N64 and SNES emulators running games simultaneously while playing music in Win Media Player and with over 100 IE tabs open at the same time (one of them running CastleVille on fb at the time).

Now, my system cost me $3300 for all new parts and case including the purchase of the monitor and 3 year replacement warranty on all components and the monitor. Oh, and my suggestion is to check if you have a Micro Center near you because they'll price match newegg, Fry's Electronics, Best Buy, HH Gregg, Walmart and lots more stores. I actually got employee pricing at Micro Center on everything I bought minus the case which was $20 more than EP and the memory which was $20 lower than Micro Center's EP at the time.

If you're planning on playing MWO I do recommend getting a better Graphics card than your integrated graphics. Even if it's just one of the Radeon HD 7770 series (they just dropped in price to $139, making them a better option than the Nvidia 550ti for $10-20 less) if you plan on playing at 1080p at least. My iGPU on my laptop is just slightly slower than yours, (about 5% slower than Intel 3000 igpu) and I only get 24-28 frames per second in Crysis 2 with all settings turned to minimum, at 800x600 resolution. Given MWO is running the same game engine, I would say your best bet would be to get some kind of dedicated card.

That all aside, eh, games right now are really not affected all that much by your CPU. 9 times out of 10 your GPU will be what bottlenecks you in modern games. At least until new consoles come out, but we're 2 years away from that.

I'll be happy with a Phenom II x6 at ~4ghz when my build is all the way together.

[Catamount]

Oh wow the 7770 is sitting at a nice price point.

Long Draw, on 17 April 2012 - 08:48 PM, said:

Here's what I have in my custom build from last April:

------------------
System Information
------------------
Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (Free license from DeVry Enrollment)
System Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
System Model: H67A-UD3H-B3
Processor: Intel® Core™ i7-2600 CPU @ 3.40GHz (8 CPUs), ~3.7GHz
Memory: 16384MB RAM (Patriot G5 Series 4GB Modules x4)
Page File: 3625MB used, 28975MB available
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
---------------
Display Devices
---------------
Card name: Intel® HD Graphics
Chip type: Intel® HD Graphics Family
Display Memory: 1696 MB
Dedicated Memory: 64 MB
Shared Memory: 1632 MB
Current Mode: 1600 x 1200 (32 bit) (59Hz)
Monitor Name: SyncMaster P2770HD/P2770(Digital)
Monitor Id: SAM05ED
Native Mode: 1920 x 1080(p) (60.000Hz)
Output Type: HDMI
D3D9 Overlay: Supported
DXVA-HD: Supported
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
-------------
Sound Devices
-------------
Logitech 5.1 X530 Surround System (previously purchased)
Description: SyncMaster (Intel® Display Audio)
-------------------
DirectInput Devices
-------------------
Device Name: WingMan Force 3D
Attached: 1
Device Name: American Power Conversion USB 900VA UPS
------------------------
Disk & DVD/CD-ROM Drives
------------------------
Drive: C:
Free Space: 303.3 GB
Total Space: 953.8 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: WDC WD1002FAEX-007BA0 ATA Device
Drive: D:
Model: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH22NS50 ATA Device

Note that I did not install a graphics accellerator in my computer, yet my system is able to run PS2, PS1, N64 and SNES emulators running games simultaneously while playing music in Win Media Player and with over 100 IE tabs open at the same time (one of them running CastleVille on fb at the time).

Now, my system cost me $3300 for all new parts and case including the purchase of the monitor and 3 year replacement warranty on all components and the monitor. Oh, and my suggestion is to check if you have a Micro Center near you because they'll price match newegg, Fry's Electronics, Best Buy, HH Gregg, Walmart and lots more stores. I actually got employee pricing at Micro Center on everything I bought minus the case which was $20 more than EP and the memory which was $20 lower than Micro Center's EP at the time.

Yeah, this machine is very powerful (it'd be great for the GIS work I'm doing in school now ), but for gaming it's pretty lopsided. You're going to have to fix the $3000 computer with $15 video card thing Note that using console emulators is almost completely CPU-bound; the GPU requirements on emulation don't begin to approach PC gaming; I doubt SNES9x and the like even use the GPU, and your PS1 emulators only barely use it.

I'm guessing the absolute minimum to physically run the game will be met with the newer Intel HD graphics, but we're talking playing at minimum settings at an unacceptable framerate. Vulpes has cited a card that could be considered a good minimum for a machine like that.

[Bold]

If you spend $3,000 on a computer and you don't buy a graphics card, you're doing something wrong.

$300 can get you a quality video card - http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814130593

You could also wait for the new 6xx series from nvidia. The 680 is a little pricey but well worth the money. I would think the 660 (or whatever they call it) will have a good balance of performance and price for enthusiasts.


Edit: Instead of a 7770, look at a 6850/6870. Same price point with better preformance.
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814102908

Edited by Bold, 19 April 2012 - 12:33 PM.

[Vulpesveritas]

Bold, on 19 April 2012 - 12:20 PM, said:

If you spend $3,000 on a computer and you don't buy a graphics card, you're doing something wrong.

$300 can get you a quality video card - http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814130593

You could also wait for the new 6xx series from nvidia. The 680 is a little pricey but well worth the money. I would think the 660 (or whatever they call it) will have a good balance of performance and price for enthusiasts.


Edit: Instead of a 7770, look at a 6850/6870. Same price point with better preformance.
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814102908

Actually the 7770 does quite well with CryENGINE 3 + DX11, and has dropped in price to $139.

Edited by Vulpesveritas, 19 April 2012 - 01:34 PM.

[Bold]

If you ever plan on playing any other game, a 6850 is a better card.

[Vulpesveritas]

Bold, on 19 April 2012 - 04:18 PM, said:

If you ever plan on playing any other game, a 6850 is a better card.

You sure about that?

http://www.techpower.../HD_7770/7.html
http://www.techpower...HD_7770/14.html
http://www.techpower...HD_7770/18.html
Simply put, the 7770 performs about the same as a 6850, and overclocks better, while doing much better in tessellation heavy titles, despite the 128 bit interface.

[Bold]

Here are some different benchmarks http://www.anandtech...duct/536?vs=539

I'd suggest looking at more than one bench marking site. The two cards are very close but the general consensus is that the 6850 has a slight advantage but the 7770 has significantly better power consumption.

Edit: My opinion is now just get whichever is cheapest

Edited by Bold, 20 April 2012 - 01:45 PM.

[Vulpesveritas]

Bold, on 20 April 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

Here are some different benchmarks http://www.anandtech...duct/536?vs=539

I'd suggest looking at more than one bench marking site. The two cards are very close but the general consensus is that the 6850 has a slight advantage but the 7770 has significantly better power consumption.

Edit: My opinion is now just get whichever is cheapest

I do, I just trust Wiz's reviews most. Just my personal opinion and all.
And yeah, pretty much go for what's cheapest if there is a $20+ difference, but the 7770 currently has immature drivers and has a greater chance to be better in games in the future, and it is also more energy efficient. Plus there is more overclocking headroom. In my opinion, it is the better choice, but I tweak everything so eh.

[Loc Nar]

pcpartpicker is a much more efficient method for designing, sharing, and reviewing builds much like using smurfys is for mechs...

[Catamount]

Here we go!



I don't disagree with using Partpicker; I personally like it... but MY GOD this is a thread necro! This thread is just a hair shy of a year old!

It's funny to look back at posts from March, though, back when the 7770 was the "new amazing deal", and I was still running my old machine.

[Loc Nar]

I'm just trying to figure out how I wound up responding to a year old post :/

[Silpher K]

There are light mechs, medium mechs, heavy mechs, assault mechs.

and then there are necromancers.

[SGT Unther]

Holy nerco threads Batman!

Nice to see someone used the search function.