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[Jost]

Lyran, Not Steiner

Friends, Lyrans, Landsleute, pray attend.

Though we find ourselves in the so-called Federated Commonwealth, under the thumb of the Davions, we are not Davions, nor are we Fed-Commers.

We are not Steiners, either. That is the name of our ruling family, who we love and follow, and who have led us to great prosperity and peace, but they are not us, and we are not them.

We are Lyran, and that is a thing to be proud of. Honor our predecessors: the Tamar Pact, the Federation of Skye, and the Protectorate of Donegal.

I call upon each of you to rise up, fellow Lyrans, to reject the identity forced on you by Davion hegemonists, and to embrace your true identity.

Edited by Jost, 21 September 2012 - 08:13 AM.

[Mechwarrior Fyyar]

Lyran forever! (do not, err don't look at my name! Don't do it!)

Although Lyrans and Davions are two separate peoples, is it not joyful that they have come together to create the most powerful nation in the Inner Sphere? The joining of the two great houses marks a new beginning of an era of prosperity and new technology.

And together, we can crush those who oppose us!

We are Lyrans, but we stand united with house Davion to rule the Inner Sphere!

Edited by Fyyar Pryde, 19 September 2012 - 01:20 PM.

[Bragas Halas]

Hehe.... a former clan member fighting for the Steiners

As the saying from the duchy of Oriente goes: "Never turn your back on a Capellan, but shoot a Lyran on sight!"

From all the opponents im eager to meet in battle, the Lyrans are on top of the list

Edited by Bragas Hallas, 19 September 2012 - 02:00 PM.

[Morashtak]

There's always a trouble maker in every crowd.

Tho' I do agree with you that we are Lyrans not Fed-Com'ers. And I humbly submit that our years of prosperity and success is a tribute to our late Archon, Katrina Steiner. We have been profiting very well due to her vision and foresight. May many years of the same be in store for the Lyran people*.

* - until all hell breaks loose early next year, of course.

[Chuggernaut]

HAVE we been profiting from the FedCom, though? Bailing out the FedSuns wasn't cheap, and neither was bankrolling two wars. And Hanse's "gift" of the Sarna March is like when I bought my brother a Super Nintendo game I wanted to play one year for Christmas and called it "his present." The arrangement is pretty one-sided, especially since it ruined all of Katrina's work cleaning out the Officer corps with Hanse's impatience and heavy-handedness.

[Strum Wealh]

Fyyar Pryde, on 19 September 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

Lyran forever! (do not, err don't look at my name! Don't do it!)

Although Lyrans and Davions are two separate peoples, is it not joyful that they have come together to create the most powerful nation in the Inner Sphere? The joining of the two great houses marks a new beginning of an era of prosperity and new technology.

And together, we can crush those who oppose us!

We are Lyrans, but we stand united with house Davion to rule the Inner Sphere!

Indeed!

Though, just as any given Lyran is not necessarily a Steiner, any given Federate ("member of a federation"... like the Federated Suns) is not necessarily a Davion.

[Listless Nomad]

Have fun with the clan invasion. We of the Draconis March will shed few tears should you chose to dissolve our union. We embrace those who join us in friendship and solidarity.

[Nirgali]

Strum Wealh, on 19 September 2012 - 03:19 PM, said:

Though, just as any given Lyran is not necessarily a Steiner, any given Federate ("member of a federation"... like the Federated Suns) is not necessarily a Davion.

I'm glad I kept reading because I was going to make this correction on your behalf. "They aren't Davions. They are Federates," is what I was going to say.

[Jost]

Fyyar Pryde, on 19 September 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

Although Lyrans and Davions are two separate peoples, is it not joyful that they have come together to create the most powerful nation in the Inner Sphere? The joining of the two great houses marks a new beginning of an era of prosperity and new technology.

Indeed, it is joyful, cousin. It would be more joyful were the Federates not trying to adulterate our glorious beer with their decadence. Really, marshmallows in beer?

Bragas Hallas, on 19 September 2012 - 01:59 PM, said:

From all the opponents im eager to meet in battle, the Lyrans are on top of the list

This we have known for some time. Your alliance with House Liaio during their buildup to aggressive invasion of the Davion end of FedCom space means that it's been obvious you'd come north.

We have a saying: "Welcome to the wall of steel". In your case, the welcome will be warmer than you'd enjoy. You'd do better to turn your aggression towards the Liaio, who are only toying with you in any case.

Morashtak, on 19 September 2012 - 02:13 PM, said:

There's always a trouble maker in every crowd.

Tho' I do agree with you that we are Lyrans not Fed-Com'ers. And I humbly submit that our years of prosperity and success is a tribute to our late Archon, Katrina Steiner. We have been profiting very well due to her vision and foresight. May many years of the same be in store for the Lyran people*.

* - until all hell breaks loose early next year, of course.

Doubt not my love and respect to Katrina of sainted memory.

Chuggernaut, on 19 September 2012 - 03:05 PM, said:

HAVE we been profiting from the FedCom, though? Bailing out the FedSuns wasn't cheap, and neither was bankrolling two wars. And Hanse's "gift" of the Sarna March is like when I bought my brother a Super Nintendo game I wanted to play one year for Christmas and called it "his present." The arrangement is pretty one-sided, especially since it ruined all of Katrina's work cleaning out the Officer corps with Hanse's impatience and heavy-handedness.

Excellent points, cousin. And have you seen what they call beer?

Strum Wealh, on 19 September 2012 - 03:19 PM, said:

Though, just as any given Lyran is not necessarily a Steiner, any given Federate ("member of a federation"... like the Federated Suns) is not necessarily a Davion.

True. I hope that my usage above is correct. I used the word "Davion" twice - once in a context with parallel with "Steiner", and once referring to "Davion hegemonists". I believe both usages are correct, for it is not the FedCom people, but their ruling house who are hegemonists. If only the people could drink real beer, they'd be happier.

Listless Nomad, on 19 September 2012 - 04:07 PM, said:

Have fun with the clan invasion. We of the Draconis March will shed few tears should you chose to dissolve our union. We embrace those who join us in friendship and solidarity.

What is this "clan invasion" of which you speak? Do you refer to the rumors of war from the Mariks?

[Roflberry Pwncakes]

Steiners, Lyrians... just two different words to describe someone who likes their beer warm and their bratwurst to have meat of questionable origin.

DOPPELFAUST BRAND BRATWURST

"I Enjoy hot Dopplefausts every night!" ~ Frau Archon Melissa

Ingredients: May or may not contain some or all of the following:
koala and koala byproducts, mechanically separated pigeon meat,
rocky mountain elephant oysters, textured acanthodrilidae protein,
yak ********

[Jost]

Roflberry Pwncakes, on 20 September 2012 - 05:45 AM, said:

Steiners, Lyrians... just two different words to describe someone who likes their beer warm and their bratwurst to have meat of questionable origin.

You see, vettern? We have known that the aussternbilder seek to push their view of beer on us, but now, in addition to mocking the Archon they come for our wurst? This is an outrage!

Rise up, fellow lyrans, rise up!


[ Ongoing glossary: The Brewsade needs sci-fi-tifical vocabulary, so I've made up "Aussternbilder" as a neologism for "persons from other region of space", made of the word "sternbild" (constellation), plus the "aus" prefix. Also, "vettern" is "cousins" (singular "vetter"), which I'll be using for "person from our region of space". ]

[Gattling Fenn]

I identify myself as a Steiner, you can expect to find me fighting on the front lines right alongside Nondi when the civil war breaks out, even if we are reduced to fighting on Thakrad.

[Joseph Mallan]

Jost, on 19 September 2012 - 01:02 PM, said:

Lyran, Not Steiner

Friends, Lyrans, Landsleuten, pray attend.

Though we find ourselves in the so-called Federated Commonwealth, under the thumb of the Davions, we are not Davions, nor are we Fed-Commers.

We are not Steiners, either. That is the name of our ruling family, who we love and follow, and who have led us to great prosperity and peace, but they are not us, and we are not them.

We are Lyran, and that is a thing to be proud of. Honor our predecessors: the Tamar Pact, the Federation of Skye, and the Protectorate of Donegal.

I call upon each of you to rise up, fellow Lyrans, to reject the identity forced on you by Davion hegemonists, and to embrace your true identity.

This kind of thinking will be the ruin of our Nation. We are Citizens of the Federated Commonwealth. Two great nations joined as one! Take what is best of the Davions and Add it to that which make the Lyran nation great to forge a better, stronger future for our children's children.

[Xeno Phalcon]

Joseph Mallan, on 21 September 2012 - 03:18 AM, said:

This kind of thinking will be the ruin of our Nation. We are Citizens of the Federated Commonwealth. Two great nations joined as one! Take what is best of the Davions and Add it to that which make the Lyran nation great to forge a better, stronger future for our children's children.

(or a really nasty civil war)

[The Basilisk]

Jost, on 20 September 2012 - 06:53 AM, said:

You see, vettern? We have known that the aussternbilder seek to push their view of beer on us, but now, in addition to mocking the Archon they come for our wurst? This is an outrage!

Rise up, fellow lyrans, rise up!


[ Ongoing glossary: The Brewsade needs sci-fi-tifical vocabulary, so I've made up "Aussternbilder" as a neologism for "persons from other region of space", made of the word "sternbild" (constellation), plus the "aus" prefix. Also, "vettern" is "cousins" (singular "vetter"), which I'll be using for "person from our region of space". ]

I think since the official spoken language in the Lyran Commonwealth is German ( except from Sarna : Dominant Language(s): German (official) , English, Scottish Gaelic, Italian, French ) a native german should clear the language up a bit.
Aussternbilder .... had to smile real hard. What you mean is from Othererspace that translates to Außenweltler.
Vetter is an old word still in use describing my fathers bother son but not considered standart german when used as abrevation for "Fellow Lyrans" What you mean is " Kameraden " or " mit Lyraner "

Edited by The Basilisk, 21 September 2012 - 04:15 AM.

[Strum Wealh]

Joseph Mallan, on 21 September 2012 - 03:18 AM, said:

This kind of thinking will be the ruin of our Nation. We are Citizens of the Federated Commonwealth. Two great nations joined as one! Take what is best of the Davions and Add it to that which make the Lyran nation great to forge a better, stronger future for our children's children.

Though, I believe that part of Jost's point may resonate with this - that is, one can be Lyran by birth and loyalty to the ideals represented by the Lyran Commonwealth as an institution (and perhaps, more broadly, the Federated Commonwealth for what it represents), even if one is neither a Steiner by blood (or marriage) or by shared ideology with the royals.

Likewise, there are likely Federates who are neither sycophants to (or necessarily agree with every ideology of or action by) the Davion family nor Davions by blood (or marriage), but who are still loyal to the Federated Suns as an institution (where, for some subset of that, that loyalty would extend to the Federated Commonwealth).

Contrast with the relative-extreme represented by the Draconians and the Capellans - while Lyrans and Federates more readily acknowledge that our leaders are merely human (and, thus, are as capable of greatness as of folly), the Draconian and the Capellan societies (the latter moreso than the former, arguably) are built around the literal (nigh-)deification of their leaders, and are consequently much less open to - or tolerant of - critiques or criticism of the same, no matter how justified.

The Leaguers, on the other hand, takes the opposite extreme - they're too responsive to every bit of criticism and too willing to try to accommodate everyone, to the point that each element has grown to expect - and exercise - an unduly strong sense of entitlement, and why they're plagued by endless bickering (and the occasional civil war) in each element's quest to get their way. 'Tis a wonder that the Mariks have been able to hold it together for as long as they have, yes?

The Rasalhagians seems balanced and stable enough... for the time being. Though, we'll have to see how well they stand up to the test of time - assuming another power (*looks in the general direction of Combine space*) doesn't go and swallow them up (again).

Your thoughts?

[PierhoGunn]

Enough of this rant, and tripe!! I say, next target please!

[Jost]

The Basilisk, on 21 September 2012 - 04:12 AM, said:

I think since the official spoken language in the Lyran Commonwealth is German ( except from Sarna : Dominant Language(s): German (official) , English, Scottish Gaelic, Italian, French ) a native german should clear the language up a bit.
Aussternbilder .... had to smile real hard. What you mean is from Othererspace that translates to Außenweltler.
Vetter is an old word still in use describing my fathers bother son but not considered standart german when used as abrevation for "Fellow Lyrans" What you mean is " Kameraden " or " mit Lyraner "

Thanks very much for your assistance. Glad the "from other constellation" made you smile. Sure, I can rock with Aussenweltler - is the plural Aussenweltleren? I know "Vetter" is old and not currently in use, but both "kameraden" and "mit Lyraner" seem to have too many modern political connections. I'm trying very hard not to make this feel like a cloaked modern political commentary. Can you support the use of Vetter in those conditions?

Gattling Fenn, on 20 September 2012 - 09:24 PM, said:

I identify myself as a Steiner, you can expect to find me fighting on the front lines right alongside Nondi when the civil war breaks out, even if we are reduced to fighting on Thakrad.

Of course we expect every mechwarrior to fight, but this is about identity.

Joseph Mallan, on 21 September 2012 - 03:18 AM, said:

This kind of thinking will be the ruin of our Nation. We are Citizens of the Federated Commonwealth. Two great nations joined as one! Take what is best of the Davions and Add it to that which make the Lyran nation great to forge a better, stronger future for our children's children.

Were it not for the machinations of the aussenweltler beer consortiums in Davion space, seeking to adulterate our precious fluids, I'd agree. It reminds us of the very founding of the Lyran Commonwealth: proud, independent nations joining for the greater good.

But the way of the Davion is dark and leads to marshmallows in your beer. Can we stand for that?

Strum Wealh, on 21 September 2012 - 04:22 AM, said:

Though, I believe that part of Jost's point may resonate with this - that is, one can be Lyran by birth and loyalty to the ideals represented by the Lyran Commonwealth as an institution (and perhaps, more broadly, the Federated Commonwealth for what it represents), even if one is neither a Steiner by blood (or marriage) or by shared ideology with the royals.

Likewise, there are likely Federates who are neither sycophants to (or necessarily agree with every ideology of or action by) the Davion family nor Davions by blood (or marriage), but who are still loyal to the Federated Suns as an institution (where, for some subset of that, that loyalty would extend to the Federated Commonwealth).

Contrast with the relative-extreme represented by the Draconians and the Capellans - while Lyrans and Federates more readily acknowledge that our leaders are merely human (and, thus, are as capable of greatness as of folly), the Draconian and the Capellan societies (the latter moreso than the former, arguably) are built around the literal (nigh-)deification of their leaders, and are consequently much less open to - or tolerant of - critiques or criticism of the same, no matter how justified.

The Leaguers, on the other hand, takes the opposite extreme - they're too responsive to every bit of criticism and too willing to try to accommodate everyone, to the point that each element has grown to expect - and exercise - an unduly strong sense of entitlement, and why they're plagued by endless bickering (and the occasional civil war) in each element's quest to get their way. 'Tis a wonder that the Mariks have been able to hold it together for as long as they have, yes?

The Rasalhagians seems balanced and stable enough... for the time being. Though, we'll have to see how well they stand up to the test of time - assuming another power (*looks in the general direction of Combine space*) doesn't go and swallow them up (again).

Your thoughts?

Agreed completely. You have siezed on the intent of my missive. Sprinkle it lightly with a devotion to preserving our precious beerily fluids, and we'll be as one.

[n0e]

Jost, on 21 September 2012 - 05:34 AM, said:

Sure, I can rock with Aussenweltler - is the plural Aussenweltleren? I know "Vetter" is old and not currently in use, but both "kameraden" and "mit Lyraner" seem to have too many

No the plural also is (die) Aussenweltler, singular would be "der Aussenweltler" and the plural of Landsleuten would just be Landsleute (Leute is plural there is no singular for it, because it always defines a group). Which seems fine for me in your context.

Edited by n0e, 21 September 2012 - 06:02 AM.

[Jost]

n0e, on 21 September 2012 - 05:56 AM, said:

No the plural also is (die) Aussenweltler, singular would be "der Aussenweltler" and the plural of Landsleuten would just be Landsleute (Leute is plural there is no singular for it, because it always defines a group). Which seems fine for me in your context.

Excellent, thanks. Editing OP to "Landsleute".