FD Wulfette, on 03 October 2012 - 08:58 PM, said:
Your slightly wrong on the MML issue. MML's can use specialty munitions for the SRM and LRMs . The stealth armor used by the WoB was an adaptation of the chameleon LPS system used by the 1st Star League. You must remember that the WoB are/were a part of Comstar. Comstar had all the diagrams and blueprints of everything that was used by the first Star League including Warships and even have figured out LAM technology called Celestial LAM's. The Clans could't effectively make the technology work without using two pilots. One piloted the Battle mech and the other piloted the Areospace fighter.(Twilight of the Clans book #5 FREEBIRTH)
The wobbies used only one pilot with stable platforms. Weapon wise the Clans did have some advantages but these were negated by the advanced tech that the wobbies were producing. VSPL's MML's Super Heavy Battle mechs. LPS stealth armor, advanced C3i networks, and last but not least The composition of mechs were 6 to a lance with the clan star only being 5. Why the hatred of the WoB its simple they used all methods possible to destroy mame and reap chaos. Fact is they didnt care about what they destroyed as long as it was destroyed. They were bent on destroying everything even the clans. The Ghost Bear's and part of the Jade Falcons fought to save the IS from a fanatical quasi-religious psudo-offshoot of the honored Comstar. Even the Clans have the utmost respect for Comstar since they are the true remanints of the clans beloved Star League Defense Force. The clans viewed the WoB as the same status as Armaris The Usurper. Thomas Marik was killed and replaced with a WoB genetic clone and used as a Puppet by the WoB to gain a foothold to make their push onto Terra. Again the Clans value the birthplace of humanity and couldnt stand to see it in the hands of such a vile group. This led the clans to commit with Stone to push the wobbies out of the IS. Also the wobbies were using the HPG network to intercept all communications and were censoring what ever they felt they wanted to. With centuries of information freedom plantes and governments were highly upset about all the censorship (Ji-had Hotspots). It wanst one act that made the wobbies hated it was a entire string of events they perpatrated against the entirety of the IS.
And how could we forget the Human/Cyborg Manei Domini death squads Again the clans did use some cybernetics to preserve their best pilots, but the Manei Domini were converting whole people into cybernetic drones. (Ji-Had Hotspots) Manei Domini soldiers are known for their fierceness, fearlessness, and fanatical devotion to their duty. They are all rated as elite warriors regardless of rank or duty. In addition, they trust their fellow Manei Domini kin without question further compounding their combat capability. Nearly all Manei Domini are massively augmented with Cybernetics. Some had these hidden and could appear to be totally normal from the outside, in a effort to enhance their undercover abilities. Others where augmented with combat attachments to help them dispatch their foes quickly and horrifically, instilling fear in their targets. Many 'Mech pilots and vehicle crews were given cybernetics that allowed them to directly connect with their 'Mech or vehicle allowing them to pilot their charge as if it was part of them.
The Manei Domini employed a vast variety of equipment, weaponry, cyberware and vehicles, all of which were used to terrifying effect, fear being a primary weapon of all Shadow Divisions and Manei Domini. With their initial conception of totally eradicating the Clans, the Manei Domini had no qualms about using weapons of mass destruction, whether they be nuclear, chemical or biological. The Manei Domini were also not above using captured enemy equipment against their foes.
Not even the Clan Proto-Mech pilots are as hard wired into their machines. Again the clans find this degrading since degreza freebirths could now out preform true-born warriors.
Need I go on basically these fools are the borg of the IS.
Oh I didn't forget any of that.
But MML's weren't a WoB tech, they were developed by the mercenary group Battle Magic. Yes, WoB used them extensively, but they did not create them. Clans could have had LAMs easy, they just didn't fit into the one on one combat ideal that they held so dear.
The C3i argument is moot because ComStar developed it back in 3062, and could have easily proliferated it through out the Inner Sphere if they weren't a bunch of D-bags, and hogged everything for themselves. The Home World Clans could have easily adopted and introduced the Nova CEWS (which made C3i look like childs play, but again it went against Clan idea of honor) to their militarys.
Honestly ComStar themselves are majorly at fault for WoB and the whole *****, as they didn't feel like WoB was really that big of a threat and thought that the Clans were. They could have retaken Terra, but no, they chose not to act. So the whole HPG censoring could fall on them in that light.
WoB weren't idiots and had no reason to stick to false niceties during war and used combined arms (a much smarter approach to warfare...), and other tactics to achieve their goals because nothing else worked. It got exactly the response they wanted, even if it was an unorthodox method of doing so.
P.S. My money is on Delvin Stone being a WoB sleeper agent, and he really just returned to one of the five hidden worlds to tell the rest of the WoBs "mission accomplished".
MegaMasher, on 03 October 2012 - 05:06 PM, said:
Except you miss the point. The thread is questioning why people hate Blakists. It isn't because they were evil, like all the others, it is because they were irredeemably evil. Davions started the NAIS, and tried to return the universe to a better place, for example. Blakists NEVER do anything good. They are like Kali Liao, or a deranged dog, better when put down.
As an aside, I wasn't kidding at all about liking the completely evil part of the Blakists. I find 40k to be only almost dark enough for my liking.
Thing is, they weren't going to be ******** crazy and nuke/kill everyone. Those warships that were in orbit above Tharkad and New Avalon? Yeah those were going to be gifts to the those worlds respective owners iirc. Blakists were actually going to give out a lot of tech had the successor houses not flipped the switch and disbanded the second star league.
Um, right all those technological advances in military, medical and cybernetic fields were totally not good. (Well at least not for their opponents....)
I totally get why people hate them, but it is the reason I love them. Also playing devils advocate here.
cmopatrick, on 03 October 2012 - 06:22 PM, said:
WoBbies = extremists with hydrogen bombs, bio weapons, and a lot of mechs.
Would like to mention that House Liao used nearly as many WMDs in the ***** on their own planets as the Blakists did.
Edited by Evinthal, 04 October 2012 - 09:46 AM.
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