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#41 Ralphie

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:08 AM

View PostRedDragon, on 30 September 2012 - 03:58 PM, said:

The WoB is basically Battletech's Al-Qaida.
And no one likes Al-Qaida.


Funny... I always thought of the WoB as Scientology with access to armaments..... :)

Edited by Ralphie, 04 October 2012 - 11:08 AM.


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Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:27 AM

View PostLightdragon, on 01 October 2012 - 02:14 PM, said:

wrong, he wasnt revealed at all to be a comstar double not publicly, only people that knew were the people doing the audit on the word of blake for acceptance into the star league, and a few select leaders and generals in the fwl


Well, if you mean to the general public, then yes, that's true. I meant that it was already revealed to high-ranking characters (and the readers) by that point.

View PostMegaMasher, on 03 October 2012 - 05:06 PM, said:

Except you miss the point. The thread is questioning why people hate Blakists. It isn't because they were evil, like all the others, it is because they were irredeemably evil. Davions started the NAIS, and tried to return the universe to a better place, for example. Blakists NEVER do anything good. They are like Kali Liao, or a deranged dog, better when put down.

As an aside, I wasn't kidding at all about liking the completely evil part of the Blakists. I find 40k to be only almost dark enough for my liking.


The Word of Blake tried to make the universe a better place just the same as, if not more, than the Federated Suns or anyone else. As Evinthal says, the forces that were used to attack Tharkad and New Avalon were originally gifts, not attack forces. The Blakists genuinely believed that the Second Star League represented the fulfillment of Blake's (alleged) prophecies of the reunification of the Inner Sphere and a new era of peace, and only attacked because the Successor States disbanded it.

Yes, they used weapons of mass destruction and committed numerous war crimes (Collectively, of course. Despite attempts in-universe and out to portray the Wobbies as a group of insane fanatics, there are plenty of Word of Blake personnel who would have none of that), but at least they did so because they thought that was the only way to save the Star League and their vision of an era of peace in the Inner Sphere. Meanwhile, other factions, like the Taurians and Regulans, have comitted similar atrocities (and worse!) for revenge and other such justification. What makes them more redeemable than the Blakists?

View PostMonsoon, on 03 October 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

For me, it's the idea that this group can fight off EVERYONE and survive for as long as they do. They use WMD's, have secretly somehow built a giant army and then go and take on anyone and everyone. Seriously the bookkeepers in Comstar must have been the worst to not notice those kind of resources being diverted for decades!

Besides the whole plot just didn't fit in for me and led to the even worse Dark Age storyline. (The mechclixs were fun, but the storyline was ridiculous.)


The Word of Blake could survive as long because their opponents were hardly in a state to fight them. The Lyran Alliance and the Federated Suns were devestated from the FedCom Civil War, the Free Worlds League started their spectacular disintegration as soon as the fake Thomas Marik was revealed, the Draconis Combine was in civil war, and most of these factions were also simultaneously engaged in at least one external war (The Federated Suns with the Capellans and the Taurians, the Lyrans with the FWL and the Jade Falcons and some so forth). Furthermore, communications were heavily disrupted for most of the Word of Blake's opponents thanks to the White-Out, impairing attempts to counter them even more. Even with these factors, and others like besieged capitals and weapons of mass destruction, the Word of Blake could only effectively fight for a few years, and when the offensive into the Protectorate started in 3076 they disintegrated very rapidly.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 06:00 AM

People hate the Blakists because they always hate people who are better than them. ;)

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 03:13 AM

It is easy.. nobody liked ComStar... But they saved the inner sphere (through sheer luck then anything else, after all the chain of events that lead up to "Fosch" being in a position to get the truce in place is borderline miraculous) so when you get a faction that have all the things that people did not like about comstar but with hardly any redeeming capabilities at all (read Ideal war as a example) and then this faction goes on a genocidal rampage for the sake of franchisee,,, Ofc people will not like them.

It was simply not done very well and at lot of stuff was done just for shock value.

#45 Deathz Jester

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 02:46 PM

View PostGremlich Johns, on 01 October 2012 - 02:52 PM, said:

You all do realize that the Clans could have prevented all of that had the IS just welcomed them in.....



You realize that 90% of the clans were ******?


and back on topic, most people hate the Blake Idiots because people tend to not like terrorist organizations.

Edited by Iron Harlequin, 06 October 2012 - 02:47 PM.


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Posted 06 October 2012 - 06:25 PM

View PostIron Harlequin, on 06 October 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:



You realize that 90% of the clans were ******?


and back on topic, most people hate the Blake Idiots because people tend to not like terrorist organizations.


I have no idea what you just called the Clans, thanks to this forum's auto-censorship.

#47 Flowing Blade

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:18 AM

Actually, there are 2 kinds of hate, the in fiction one and the one by Battletech Fans.

For the Battletech Fans one, it's fairly easy to understand. Very bad writing which seem to be out to introduce new "Woo!! Shiny!!" toys rather than background and character development. If you can, compare the Warrior series (En Garde, Riposte, Coup) or the Jade Falcon series with the new often one shot Dark Ages (Duck Ages more like). They tend to be much shallower.

Another major complaint was that the entire BT universe was reset so drastically that you might as well have a totally different universe, and it really ended up looking like some other franchise trying to cash in on the BTU by namedropping. The 1st time I read a DA novel, I thought it was a parallel universe setting where the SL didn't collapse.

As for the in-fiction hate, you also have to look at the times. During the Succession Wars and before the Ares Convention, everyone was tossing WMDs, so it was seen as business as usual in crappy times, but after the Ares Convention, this tapered off sharply and Rules of War became ingrained into everyone's mind for ~200 years, so when WoB kicked off their little war, they went against 200 years of "civilised war" and broke the rules EVERYONE was indoctrinated in since birth. It's like doing everything the Geneva Convention says not to do. When the Smoke Jaguar Clan orbitally bombarded Turtle Bay, the Inner Sphere decided that the Clan had to die. Imagine this repeated multiple times by the same organization. Everyone will be gunning for them.

That being said, there were Moderates in the WoB too, and some of the DA books do show some moderate WoB cells surviving.

#48 Richtor

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 12:52 PM

I believe that the story line hate by the fans come from the fact that the wobbies killed all most all of the fans heroes...every one has there heroes/side that they pull for and the wobs took every one out. the story line killed all of our heroes, every thing we liked as fans was trashed because of the story that had to progress,having to have the wob stand up to every one. It seemed like a very week streach that the wobs accomplished in the jia had what everyone else had been trying to accomplish for at least 300 years.(maybe more) When reading the jia had source books I found the parts that made me happiest was clan wolf going to out reach, and the ghost bears stopping the wob cold. Time and again our heroes failed to do what should had been more of a stand up fight, ie: tharkad,new avalon,outreach,northwind,derion, herpeus, case white,ect....and lots more to mention.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 08:29 AM

wobbie thought process: it is our destiny to save the universe after it collapses. if it will not collapse on it's own so we can save it, we will MAKE it collapse so we can save it. and if anyone else tries to save it, they are heretics and must die.

#50 John Christopher

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 01:54 AM

I'm a devout Blakist....
and i can honestly say...
I wanna share Blake's vision with you...


VIA AN ORBITAL BOMBARDMENT


( on a serious note....you have to read quite abit to fully understand what we did)

#51 Glory in the Highest

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 09:29 AM

I think the WoB is badass. I actually love the storyline - the whole Unnamed Clan thing, the extremism of the Toyama sect, and the whole Outbound Light being the reason ComStar knew about the Clans all along, etc. Manei Domini ftw!

Little known fact, FASA knew in 1989 that there would be a Blakist Jihad. Check out the ComStar Field Manual (1989), you'll see the groundwork being laid for it. There's also an intro in one of the WoB Sourcebooks detailing the origination of the concept. The Jihad was brainstormed and set in stone before even the 1990s - before a lot of the kids who played the Clix were even born! WizKids did not invent the Jihad, it was in Weisman's head since the beginning.

Edited by Glory, 01 January 2013 - 09:32 AM.


#52 Gremlich Johns

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 12:08 PM

View PostDirus Nigh, on 30 September 2012 - 04:21 PM, said:

Basically the dark age time line was jumped to so wizkids or who ever could separate themselves from the established setting. Basically it was a reboot so it could market the clicky tech crap. It kind of backfired. However it is established canon.


None of us have to accept it as canon, you know. it is just so much poorly written fiction produced for the wrong reasons - alternate timeline as far as I am concerned.





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