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[michaelius]

Night crawler, on 06 October 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

Just watched some guys review of the game and he appears to be saying that the game is somewhat crippled in the free to play aspect. I got the impression that it's not worth playing in this model from what he said, and was wondering if I should go with guild wars 2 or wait for this. I was a big fan of the old days back on MS game zone and thought this would be a great title.

I don't mind buying a game but that's as far as I'm willing to go. I'm not looking for a subscription based game or a game where I'm constantly buying stuff. I just want to buy the game and play.

Is there anything in this game for players like me or do I end up with no mechs, no XP and so on?

He was a whiny kid thinking best stuff should be granted instantly.

It takes about 25 games in trial mech to get into your first machine (less when Flea is added)- after that you will be earning 75-140k per game in normal mech - if you stay away from XL engines it will keep cost of repairs and rearming <25k (if you are totally cored).

So gring to Atlas will take some time but mediums and heavies are easy to get.

[Adrienne Vorton]

Night crawler, on 06 October 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

Im not after playing against AI. I want it like the old days if possible, where I just buy the game and play online. Back then it was MGZ. Yea, it was a single player game back then but everyone was always online fighting. I want that aspect back.

see there is a difference between a singleplayer game with an multiplayer part that can be played online, and a 100% online game... this game will NOT be sold, the game itself is free, no monthly subscription, nothing...
but as you will understand, the company has to feed it´s employees and their little hungry babies, and needs at least some money income.. so there will be things that you CAN pay for, to have faster progress, to look cooler than anybody while pewpewing them to pieces and so on...

you will be able to play it without spending any money, but the company will "ask you gently" to donate here and there for their hard work to create a great MechWarrior game... that means, at some points they offer you the "easy way" or just some cool fluff items for money, and many ppl take it

i personally think, you will be okay with spending a few $ from time to time, i doubt that MWO will force you to spend lots and lots of money just to play a bit...

michaelius, on 07 October 2012 - 12:51 AM, said:

So gring to Atlas will take some time but mediums and heavies are easy to get.

a friend was in his centurion after a few hours of play as a total free player, yea the first few hours are a hill to climb, but after that it rolls^^ and btw, while in the trial mechs, you learn alot about heat management, movement and handling of different mechs and all that.. by the time you get to know each mech well, you should be able to buy your first "real" machine...

DON´T listen to all the beta veterans, many of them tend to cry about the "heavy grind" because the game was very very easy for testing purposes before, and they don´t need to "try the trial mechs" anymore, because they played in their maxed out Mechs already for weeks and month´s ... try it and make your own picture

Edited by Adrienne Vorton, 07 October 2012 - 01:11 AM.

[MajorLeeHung]

Night crawler, on 06 October 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

Just watched some guys review of the game and he appears to be saying that the game is somewhat crippled in the free to play aspect. I got the impression that it's not worth playing in this model from what he said, and was wondering if I should go with guild wars 2 or wait for this. I was a big fan of the old days back on MS game zone and thought this would be a great title.

I don't mind buying a game but that's as far as I'm willing to go. I'm not looking for a subscription based game or a game where I'm constantly buying stuff. I just want to buy the game and play.

Is there anything in this game for players like me or do I end up with no mechs, no XP and so on?

Anything a paying player does can also be done by a purely free to play player. It will just take longer. THAT'S IT. No gimmicks or extra steps will have to be taken to obtain the same items. Just have to play more matches is all.

[feda1]

Go for GW2 definitely. MWO is a very bad game at this point.

[Jukebox1986]

feda1, on 07 October 2012 - 01:38 AM, said:

Go for GW2 definitely. MWO is a very bad game at this point.

Its a pretty decent BETA. And how do you campare guildwars with Mechwarrior? Did you take the wrong turn after the second star to the right?

[Ghogiel]

Right now there are only a couple things that you can spend money on anyway.

As long as repair costs don't get patched to cripple free players it's not really a p2w, and we had that happen with repair costs in the beta being exuberantly high to the point of bankrupting bad players who pugged and died a lot. For now repair costs are probably on the low side.

So as long as a free player can repair and rearm their mech after getting bashed up and still perhaps earn some minor cbills out of a bad few encounters, then MC (paid currency) will only be very useful for exclusive content> Mech bays being the only example of something everyone will want more of but can only be had with MC. You only have 4 bays as a free player and can only own 4 mechs at one time.

Other content like bobble head, furry dice in your mech cockpit, mech paint schemes, insignias, mech hats will probably be available some time soon as well. But they do nothing in terms of the game and contribute nothing to winning.

You can of course spend MC on mechs and equipment and buy 30 mechbays and buy every mech on launch day. But you can only use one at a time and.... pokemon.

[Xeno Phalcon]

MWo is fine, as a F2P game the model they are using is fine and (so far) dosn't have any pay to win aspects to it. That being said I would get GW2 also as once you fork up your $60 you can play it freely (though the guildwars guys are notorious for cranking out massive batches of expansions or stand alones, so you can expect a GW2: More Dragons type releases for more money later ) I fully intend to play both MWO and GW2, as neither is subscription based there isn't much reason NOT to have both.

Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't sort of thing. (Or in this case, sometimes I feel like a horned cat with a gun and sometimes I feel like a 60 ton robot.)

Edited by Xeno Phalcon, 07 October 2012 - 03:53 AM.

[tyrone dunkirk]

Night crawler, on 06 October 2012 - 07:02 PM, said:

You seem a little upset. perhaps another thread would be better for you.

I'm not quite sure where you got that impression, because I really wasn't. I was making a point about some of the 'reviews' going around that are made by people who - I kid you not - bought into the beta thinking of it as a 'pre order' instead of inclusion into an unfinished product. There's more than one, and all they do is sling crap about the beta without bothering to take an informed stance.

I wasn't upset at all, and I find your response to be incredibly immature, simply taking one part of my review assesment and thinking I'm trolling your OP. I wasn't mocking you or your original post, I was talking about some of the reviews of the people who rip on the beta like it's a completely finished game; It hasn't been in CB for a full year yet.

Edited by tyrone dunkirk, 07 October 2012 - 06:51 AM.

[Event Horizon IX]

feda1, on 07 October 2012 - 01:38 AM, said:

Go for GW2 definitely. MWO is a very bad game at this point.

My experience over the past few months has been the exact opposite, to each their own

[Belorion]

Its not pay to win at all. The people yelling pay to with either do not understand what that term means or worse are perverting the definition to meet their own agenda.

[Night crawler]

tyrone dunkirk, on 07 October 2012 - 06:47 AM, said:

I'm not quite sure where you got that impression, because I really wasn't...

This...

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[color=#959595]before you rage quit and sling mud around the forums about it. [/color]

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I wasn't upset at all, and I find your response to be incredibly immature, simply taking one part of my review assesment and thinking I'm trolling your OP. I wasn't mocking you or your original post...

You seemed to be under the impression I was going to quit a game that I dont have yet, and you also accused me of slinging mud around the forums. Everyone else actually read my OP and responded with constructive feedback (thanks guys) which has been a great help and I now have beta access.

I merely suggested other threads because me being here "mud slinging" appeared to cause you distress. I am not here to upset fanboys or any other players. I came for information, which the community kindly provided.

Hope that helps.

Edited by Night crawler, 07 October 2012 - 01:26 PM.

[Joe3142]

It is free to play, you will be able to download the game, and jump in a mech, therefore it is free to play. Please dont listen to these reviews, and remember it is in Closed Beta so they are testing the economy alot, so there will be **** ups. It is really just pay to progress quicker, not Pay to win or anything.

Remember it is not the final product yet, it is not even in the Open Beta yet.

People don't like it because they can't jump into an atlas and put a shitload of weapons on it instantly

Edited by Joe3142, 07 October 2012 - 02:14 PM.

[Tremendous Upside]

I definitely wouldn't say the game "requires" you to shell out money. I bought the low-end founders package that didn't come with a mech. Got 10k MC to spend on whatever I wanted... so I took the first couple of days in-game to try out the trial mechs and get a feel for what matched my playstyle best. I didn't consider it a grind at all - so much as it was a learning experience. The overheating and massive damage mechs take in this game makes it a good bit different from previous titles, and there's definitely a learning curve. In that regard, the trial mechs are actually pretty useful. By the time I was really "ready" to purchase a mech of my own, I'd more than made enough in-game cash to buy the mech with c-bills - so I saved my MC for later. I'd hardly call 2-3 nights of playing a "grind".

Now with that said, what's been mentioned in this thread about repair/rearm costs IS relevant. If you purchase your first mech and load up on expensive components,it's going to slow down your earnings considerably. The repair costs for my more expensive mechs (Dragon, Atlas, etc..) is often more than 6-7x more than what it costs to repair an HBK-4P on the high-end. Choose your first mech wisely and you'll gain a lot more money per match - and the grinding will be a lot less painful.

[Aiden Wolfe]

I would like to take a moment to say thank you to everyone who commented on this topic. I have been a MechWarrior fan for a very long time and have missed playing. I was a little worried about the "Do I need to spend real dollars to make this enjoyable?" question myself. Like Night Crawler, I've had some bad experiences with online games, so I was really glad to read all the positive comments posted here. I'm still waiting for "acceptance" as I just, literally, signed up tonight, but I am very anxious to experience the MechWarrior world once again.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

Play both games like me. I have a Legendary here and am playing Guild Wars 2.(Drain.8765) If you can't afford both then just buy the GW2 and wait on this one or buy a Veterans. But GW2 is a FAAAAAR better use of your 60$ if 60$ is all you have to spare and you like MMO titles. This game needs more time to develop, so I spend most of my time on GW2. People will wonder, "You got Legendary and aren't playing the game?" Well I didn't buy it for beta access, I bought for post release perks. The beta access was a tack on and I don't have to use it. We aren't even going to keep the stuff we earn right now... so I'd rather keep leveling my Mesmer and hit WvWvW until Open Beta gets here.

[Zero Neutral]

Night crawler, on 06 October 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

Just watched some guys review of the game and he appears to be saying that the game is somewhat crippled in the free to play aspect. I got the impression that it's not worth playing in this model from what he said, and was wondering if I should go with guild wars 2 or wait for this. I was a big fan of the old days back on MS game zone and thought this would be a great title.

I don't mind buying a game but that's as far as I'm willing to go. I'm not looking for a subscription based game or a game where I'm constantly buying stuff. I just want to buy the game and play.

Is there anything in this game for players like me or do I end up with no mechs, no XP and so on?

You make C-bills with trial mechs, you buy mechs with C-bills, then you customize the mech you bought and begin to earn MXP and GXP as well as C-bills. Then you have a choice, you can either buy new mechs with your C-bills or you can buy different variants of your favorite mech so that you can advance further in that mech's specialization trees.

[Capp]

Night crawler, on 06 October 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

Just watched some guys review of the game and he appears to be saying that the game is somewhat crippled in the free to play aspect. I got the impression that it's not worth playing in this model from what he said, and was wondering if I should go with guild wars 2 or wait for this. I was a big fan of the old days back on MS game zone and thought this would be a great title.

I don't mind buying a game but that's as far as I'm willing to go. I'm not looking for a subscription based game or a game where I'm constantly buying stuff. I just want to buy the game and play.

Is there anything in this game for players like me or do I end up with no mechs, no XP and so on?

If that's the review I think it is, it was recorded several patches ago, during the week when the economy was effectively broken by a patch of incomplete economy tweaks.. Most of the complaints in it have either been long fixed or are due to his own ignorance.

(And if, as he says, he was given the beta key to review by a PR company during that week... fire that PR company. They FAIL. lol)

Edited by Capp, 07 October 2012 - 08:26 PM.

[Draco Argentum]

Aiden Wolfe, on 07 October 2012 - 08:05 PM, said:

I would like to take a moment to say thank you to everyone who commented on this topic. I have been a MechWarrior fan for a very long time and have missed playing. I was a little worried about the "Do I need to spend real dollars to make this enjoyable?" question myself. Like Night Crawler, I've had some bad experiences with online games, so I was really glad to read all the positive comments posted here. I'm still waiting for "acceptance" as I just, literally, signed up tonight, but I am very anxious to experience the MechWarrior world once again.

To be honest Bluten (the post below you) is right. If you want to enjoy a MW game just wait till a few patches after open beta. CW is supposed to be 90 days after so that'd be a good patch if that interests you. Right now its a beta and if you aren't interested in testing or arguing with people who give terrible feedback then theres not much to do. Until then go play a game that has actually been released.

[FlareUKCS]

This is the CURRENT state...

The only gameplay element that you cannot earn in game is buying additional mechbays, those you need MC (real cash).

Getting to your first customisable mech will take about 20 matches for the cheapest Commando variant BUT understand these matches only take about 10 min each, and you can earn anything from 60k to 110+ k c-bills a match... by the time you have messed around in the 4 trial mechs, got to grips with the mechanics and learnt the maps to be able to fight effectively you will probably have enough c-bills for the cheapest mech, but you will probably wait till you have enough to buy a medium.

The complaints about the grind come from the fact that at one stage the earnings were waaaaaay too high, players could field any mech in such a short time that there was complaints that getting through the content was too easy.
PGi adjusted the economy to test how much of a grind it would be at lower earnings starting at really low settings (win or lose you could only earn 36k in a trial mech, no matter how well you played) and that was a nasty grind where you felt no progress at all.
PGi recently adjusted earnings again and added rewards for actions during battles (assists, spotting, destroying components, kills, captures, etc etc etc), so in a trial mech you could earn 60k - 110+ k and it took the grind aspect right down to a reasonable aprox. 20 matches needed.

The trial mechs aint horrible but most of them do suffer from issues with heat and cant be customised to make it more heat efficient, but with grouping and chain firing weapons its managable... by the time you buy your own mech you will be used to dealing with 'heat coffins' and so be more effective in your customised ride, and then you get hit with the repair bills and suddenly those trial mechs aint half bad after all.

The majority of the complaints comes from players that used to have everything and then had it all taken away (normal for closed beta's, never get attached to your account in betas because wipes and resets are normal).

[Swiss Beats]

If you do not get a request for a credit card when you sign up and you log in to play your first match without having to spend a dime.. guess what? It's free to play. Anything else that happens from that point on between you, your credit card and the game developers is ultimately your choice. It's free until you determine it's time to pay and even then no one is holding a gun to your head telling you what to do.