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[Corrado]

so..i think the reviewers just did 2 matches in a trial mech and wrote the review... or they just did some battles with pubbies ending against premades, lost all the battles along with some C-Bills and wrote down the review.

well... i had no premium in the first economy patch but still i managed to get a light in the first day... maybe cos i ran in a 8 mechs drop instead pugging without TS.

what's wrong with the reviewers?

[Ghogiel]

Corrado, on 08 October 2012 - 07:41 AM, said:

so..i think the reviewers just did 2 matches in a trial mech and wrote the review... or they just did some battles with pubbies ending against premades, lost all the battles along with some C-Bills and wrote down the review.

well... i had no premium in the first economy patch but still i managed to get a light in the first day... maybe cos i ran in a 8 mechs drop instead pugging without TS.

what's wrong with the reviewers?

I have no idea what this review is you mean, but is not perfectly reasonable that they write their experience of getting pugstomped and using trial mechs for hours on end? Seems that will be a legit experience to me

[Gabz]

the only think i found weird about what the OP is saying is... I want to buy the game 1 time and play... well if you're ready to pay let's say 50$ for a game ... 50$ is plenty enough to get a mech and couple months premium I don't really see why you'd complain about that. You can even play completely free. If you were ready to pay for the game anyway just pay for the perks....

Oh and BTW ... don't believe any ''reviews'' you see if it's not kinda official like ign or gamespot or something... there's a reason PGI did'nt want the game reviewed yet it's far from finished

Edited by Gabz, 08 October 2012 - 08:32 AM.

[SmithMPBT]

feda1, on 07 October 2012 - 01:38 AM, said:

Go for GW2 definitely. MWO is a very bad game at this point.

MWO is a completely differenty genre of online game. GW2 is a fantasy, questing, crafting game. MWO is a competive PVP simulator which will soon have rank structure, planetary capture and community based interactions.

If u want to see hardship, try grinding in World of Tanks. Just getting to a Tier 7-8 Heavy tank can tank up to 1000 hours of gameplay (dont flame me for estimating, I run a Tier 9). Add in the fact it has no ingame Territory Control but a web based map, which only a small percent of Clans participate in, you end up seeing that MWO is going to far exceed WoT.

P.S. GW2 has an ingame Store using real cash to buy items that make you more powerful and your gameplay more enjoyable. The F2P model always has a rub. Luckily you determine your spending. Hell, if u spend less than 14.95 a month ingame, you're ahead of WoW.

SmithMPBT

[Gabz]

SmithMPBT, on 08 October 2012 - 08:39 AM, said:

MWO is a completely differenty genre of online game. GW2 is a fantasy, questing, crafting game. MWO is a competive PVP simulator which will soon have rank structure, planetary capture and community based interactions.

If u want to see hardship, try grinding in World of Tanks. Just getting to a Tier 7-8 Heavy tank can tank up to 1000 hours of gameplay (dont flame me for estimating, I run a Tier 9). Add in the fact it has no ingame Territory Control but a web based map, which only a small percent of Clans participate in, you end up seeing that MWO is going to far exceed WoT.

P.S. GW2 has an ingame Store using real cash to buy items that make you more powerful and your gameplay more enjoyable. The F2P model always has a rub. Luckily you determine your spending. Hell, if u spend less than 14.95 a month ingame, you're ahead of WoW.

SmithMPBT

i'm a patient guy stopped WOT at rank 6 started to feel like a job to unlock another boring tank with the 1 button attack

[Name48928]

Gabz, on 08 October 2012 - 08:43 AM, said:

i'm a patient guy stopped WOT at rank 6 started to feel like a job to unlock another boring tank with the 1 button attack

Ditto for me. Trying to progress through Russian artillery is the worst grind of any game I've played.

I've also quit WoW (twice) because of the crafting and leveling grind that used to hit around level 20-30.

I'm taking the complaints of joyless grind seriously, and I hope PGI tweaks the begin-game for new, non-paying players. As such, I'm waiting until Open Beta before even trying to install and play the game (I was approved for Closed Beta about a month ago).

[Asura]

Go with GW2, MWO is still unfinished. By the time you are done with GW2 MWO might be released in a more playable state.

The grind is endurable. You are looking at ~8-10 hours for a decent mech earning somewhere between 60k and 90k each match.
But it still lacks core functionality. Like all the matchmaking stuff and especially content. If you are not a die hard mechwarrior fan who loves every leave on each tree chances are high you'll get bored quickly.

[Xlaminator]

demonr6, on 08 October 2012 - 07:13 AM, said:

If you do not get a request for a credit card when you sign up and you log in to play your first match without having to spend a dime.. guess what? It's free to play. Anything else that happens from that point on between you, your credit card and the game developers is ultimately your choice. It's free until you determine it's time to pay and even then no one is holding a gun to your head telling you what to do.

I think the point you are missing is the P2W situation you get into with some other F2P titles.
If a game adopts a P2W-policy it´s homing in to a point where it is not an enjoyable experience for all that are not willing to pay just to stay competitive.
Up till now MWO has not a single aspect of P2W, let´s hope it stays that way!

[Nefaro]

Night crawler, on 06 October 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

Is there anything in this game for players like me or do I end up with no mechs, no XP and so on?

No worries, you can still "level up" and get new stuff in these kinds of match-based MMO games. You just gotta spend time doing it.

And who knows? You may decide to spend a little in the future, once you get hooked.

[Night crawler]

What I don't understand is why this wasn't released as a £35 game with no F2P. It isn't an MMO that has to compete with the likes of WoW or GW2, so why use this particular MMO model for what is essentially Multiplayer game with whistles and bells on it?

Let's take a look at a couple of things here...

I got £35 and it buys me the game (not time) I earn money and XP at the same rate as everyone else constantly. The devs get the cash from the sale of the game. They later bring out expansions at a knocked down price for £.

That would be a typical game. I understand there's no Single player campaigns, which would cut down on a vast amount of programming, meaning more time could be used on the MP aspect. This way everyone pays for the game eliminating the free players, and creating a level playing field for all with the game.

What we actually have is this:


A free game with a varying subscription cost, much like DDO LotRO. Upon release, if this game's F2P option rivals the ongoing investment of (shall we say) £30 every 2 or 3 months, then typically, there'll be little incentive to buy. On the other hand, if the F2P side of the game is particularly difficult to compete with the paying players then you have a situation where there's a 2 tier system, effectively P2W.

Now I'm not saying that will be case, and I'm not saying it will not. I'm just saying at the time of release (or any time after) the mechs, economy, repairs, mech bays or whatever, can be tweaked in order to encourage players to constantly re-invest in XP and credit boosts. This essentially is my original question: -

AM I buying the game or preferential treatment for 2 months? After which I become the same as the free players, unless I buy more preferential treatment.

I should also point out that whatever the reviews say about the game is unimportant to me. The only thing I am looking for any type of review or assessment is the economy model of the game. which brings me back to why this isn't just a "pay your 30 quid and access all" title.

[Haroldwolf]

Night crawler, on 06 October 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

Just watched some guys review of the game and he appears to be saying that the game is somewhat crippled in the free to play aspect. I got the impression that it's not worth playing in this model from what he said, and was wondering if I should go with guild wars 2 or wait for this. I was a big fan of the old days back on MS game zone and thought this would be a great title.

I don't mind buying a game but that's as far as I'm willing to go. I'm not looking for a subscription based game or a game where I'm constantly buying stuff. I just want to buy the game and play.

Is there anything in this game for players like me or do I end up with no mechs, no XP and so on?

Yea you should be OK if you join a team, as others pointed out.
Unless you bought a Founders Package you will be a bit behind the curve. You could buy a shot of MC to jump start yourself into a medium mech. After that you could be self sustaining with credits and xp.

[Draco Argentum]

Night crawler, on 08 October 2012 - 03:47 PM, said:

AM I buying the game or preferential treatment for 2 months? After which I become the same as the free players, unless I buy more preferential treatment.

Thats the buisness model. If they don't have people buying more premium and MXP to GXP conversions those revenue streams are failures. They will tune the game so that 5-10% of people are paying for those things, if people aren't they'll just tune until they do.

[Bansheedragon75]

The Silver Nuke, on 08 October 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

I really hope that it is free to play, because, I don't make much money. I have always loved MechWarrior, so it would be disappointing to me if I ended up not being able to play it.

I thought this had been clarified already.

Yes it is free to play.
Dont let the P2W misconceptions of those who cant comprehend the business model tell you otherwise.

You can download the game for free.
You can Play the game for free.
You have access to everything ingame for free.

Simply put, you never have to pay a penny if you dont want to.
There are no premium content such as gold ammo or better mechs that you can only get with real money.
The only difference between paying and not paying is that it will take you longer to get something if you dont pay than if you do.

But keep in mind that these people have bills to pay as well and have to make money.
Server upkeep/maintenance, development of new content,
If they dont make money we dont have a game to play.

[Damion Sparhawk]

F2P is actually a very successful business model, rather than, like most box on shelf games, getting your return all in one lump, give or take DLC (which is also relatively new) you give people a game for free, and then sell ease of play/time relaxers and perks, instead of getting all your money at once (or not) you get a continuous stream of money from whoever's willing to pay for a little convenience and whatever little tidbits you put in for cash (p2w or not, though there's a lot of negative stigma to p2w model and those games, while obviously not failing outright, suffer somewhat over time from bad press) MWO so far has no p2w aspects, there is nothing in game that influences your gameplay that cannot be obtained with time and effort and not a dollar spent, being able to pay to speed things up, or buy them outright, is not a bad thing and is in fact how games like this continue to recieve support and new content, I expect there will be a whole lot more F2P games of this nature in the future of gaming and simply hope the developers can continue to keep the marketers and moneymen out of the actual game design and in the perks and bonuses where they belong

@OP best thing I can suggest is use the money you would've spent to buy the game to get yourself a founders tag, the legendary may be a bit much but elite gets you a choice of one of the four founders mechs and costs about the same as a brand new box off the shelf of the typical game, AND you get an automatic beta key so you can start your experience right now ^.^

Edited by Damion Sparhawk, 08 October 2012 - 09:08 PM.

[Event Horizon IX]

Night Crawler. As I understand it, the reason the game was not produced and released in the "traditional" way is because of PGI's options regarding how they could finance producing the game. Credit is hard to come by these days. Also, the Free-to-play model can be profitable.

[GumbieVirus]

From what i have seen "MC" the currency that you can pay for is only use to get quick access to mechs, get extra mech hangers and convert XP to general XP. everyone has to buy new gear and such with C-Bills. I got two Hunchbacks myself, got em with C-bills

[Ghogiel]

Night crawler, on 08 October 2012 - 03:47 PM, said:

What I don't understand is why this wasn't released as a £35 game with no F2P. It isn't an MMO that has to compete with the likes of WoW or GW2, so why use this particular MMO model for what is essentially Multiplayer game with whistles and bells on it?

Worked for TF2.

[Damion Sparhawk]

GumbieVirus, on 08 October 2012 - 10:14 PM, said:

From what i have seen "MC" the currency that you can pay for is only use to get quick access to mechs, get extra mech hangers and convert XP to general XP. everyone has to buy new gear and such with C-Bills. I got two Hunchbacks myself, got em with C-bills

that's it, though it is possible (though inefficient) to buy c-bills with MC simply by buying a mech and selling it for c-bills, you only get about half your value for it though so you're really cheating yourself by doing so.

[Cappy]

RedHairDave, on 06 October 2012 - 06:42 PM, said:

you want a single player vs AI? is that what your mean? that may happen some day, but not now. it is going to be mostly pvp.

if you mean is it impossible to make money? no, not at all, i have dozens of mechs and unlimited money. its only been a short time since wipe. so its not hard to get money,

you should join a group. anyone will do, i suggest you find one that suits your personality. if your with a group its a whole different game and much more fun, you dont need to make any promises, there are no commitments, if you only have time for one game, no one will care. there is no excuse to not join a group. its very quick and easy

Except not wanting to. Not everyone wants to play the way you do. Forcing people into joining groups/guilds/whatever is dumb. This isn't WoW. It should not at all depend on you having to network to be successful.

[Emerald Fox]

Ragor, on 06 October 2012 - 06:44 PM, said:

If you do not pay anything then you simply start with no mechs. And then you have to grind 30-50 matches with the preset trial mechs. But once you grinded enough money and bought your firsrt 'own' mech which you can customize then there is no difference at all. I for myself played trial mechs only after the last reset and had 2 centurions, a raven, a catapult earned and bought and fully customized within one week with ~3-4h gaming/grinding each day.

I gotta say I agree with this idea. I mean yeah if your a free to player it makes sense that you have to build up your c bills before you can purcese a mech. Other wiase your just gonna have waaaay to many high powerd mechs out there from the start. This is a good idea and I think the developers should either adopt it or if they have stick with it