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[Youngblood]

HIemfire, on 20 March 2012 - 08:20 PM, said:

Flashman, lets bring in one that has not been in any recent renditions of the computer game, if ever.

The Flashman was in MechWarrior 2: Mercenaries.

Edited by Youngblood, 20 March 2012 - 08:22 PM.

[HIemfire]

Youngblood, on 20 March 2012 - 08:22 PM, said:

The Flashman was in MechWarrior 2: Mercenaries.

I did say recent. It's been what, nearly 20 years since the release of Mech Warrior 2?

[Wyzak]

Flashman for me - proven technology, and I am not confident the Black Knight will look similar to the MW4 version.

[Pvt Dancer]

Orion... Because it is a 3025 mech.

[Qman]

Allright...i am going to be firing up my facebook profile again....dam you! i want to vote.

(i deleted my FB about 2 years ago...see what you have done...are ya happy!)

[BarHaid]

Terick, on 20 March 2012 - 06:45 PM, said:

Getting with the times doesn't change the fact they are extinct outside of COMGAURD. Which in my mind makes them awesome for real money or really hard to get since they would have to come from COMGAURD or an SLDF cache. I would be fine making them the advanced SLDF tech versions and making them ultra rare.

The game does need a way to make money and giving us things that make spending money worthless means they will shut their doors and we won't have a MW title to play. Do you need a knight of or a Flash, no you can modify an Orion to do most of the job.

Well said, Sir or Madam. Rarity and uncommon tech would make fine premium purchases. Until PGI tells us what we can expect to find in the company store, we'll be batting this ball around all over the forums!

[Karyudo ds]

Black Knight never impressed me, didn't even like the MW4 version but the DA one wasn't bad... still, the Flashman looks like an Urbanmech got botched hip surgery. Granted I'm sure any of these will look better in MWO but judging from past art makes it a difficult choice...beyond the Orion, that looked alright.

[Major Tom]

Terick, on 20 March 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:

Originally, before the unseen legal issues. They were ONLY in SLDF caches and COMGAURD...

[Calon Farstar]

Did no one think of the Falconer???? Seriously what a great mech. Great armor layout and has 4 med las 1 gauss and 1 ERPPC! I hated playing agains them and allways loved them on my side!

[pursang]

Terick, on 20 March 2012 - 06:45 PM, said:

No, they are ridiculous. The factory for the flash was slagged. Not we couldn't produce more because component 'x' couldn't be made. As for the knight. In strategic warfare you target important and powerful mechs early so you deprive the other side of them later. The knight would get killed an killed and killed. Not to mention teams sent to steal them from the other guy or booby traps meant to prevent thefts... Getting with the times doesn't change the fact they are extinct outside of COMGAURD. Which in my mind makes them awesome for real money or really hard to get since they would have to come from COMGAURD or an SLDF cache. I would be fine making them the advanced SLDF tech versions and making them ultra rare. The game does need a way to make money and giving us things that make spending money worthless means they will shut their doors and we won't have a MW title to play. Do you need a knight of or a Flash, no you can modify an Orion to do most of the job. I want FD to redo the Knight looking at the original TRO 2750. The MW4 knight is terrible... My dad doesn't play games like this. "They waste peoples time and resources that should be put to use improving humanity."

If you had read the actual Sarna pages for each 'Mech instead of glossing over them, you'd actually be fully aware that both 'Mechs are NOT extinct outside of the Com Guards.

Black Knight:

Sarna]BL-6-KNT Black Knight Ian - Downgraded during the technological decline of the [url=" said:

Succession Wars era[/url]' date=' the personal 'Mech of the McKinnon family was selected to receive among the first experimental weapons developed from the Helm Memory Core by the New Avalon Institute of Science thanks to the exploits of Fox's Teeth commander Ian McKinnon. When piloted by Ian during the War of 3039, the 'Mech was clad in prototype Ferro-Fibrous armor and the standard heat sinks outside the engine were replaced with corrosive 3039 era double heat sinks. These weight savings, along with the removal of the head-mounted small laser, allowed the 'Mech to carry a hatchet whose damage was boosted by the addition of Triple Strength Myomers^[8]. BV (2.0) = 1,830^[9]

Sarna]BL-10-KNT Black Knight Ross - Given to Ross McKinnon upon his father's retirement in [url=" said:

3051[/url]' date=' the family 'Mech continued to be upgraded with the latest technology. By the FedCom Civil War the right arm and torso weaponry of Ross's 'Mech was upgraded to extended range models, with the triple strength myomers and hatchet retained. The use of production grade Ferro-Fibrous and double heat sinks, along with downgrading the left arm medium for an ER Small Laser, freed up enough weight for a Targeting Computer to be added^[10]. BV (2.0) = 1,840^[3]

Sarna]The loss of Kong's orbital factory in [url=" said:

2802[/url] forced the company to produce less advanced line of Black Knight 'Mechs' date=' though the recovery of lostech has allowed for more advanced variants to be produced.

Flashman:

Sarna]Fewer than 500 Flashmen were operational at the start of the [url=" said:

First Succession War[/url]' date=' where their heavy use on the front line saw many destroyed. Production of the design abruptly stopped in 2796 when Renault-Prime Industries was destroyed, though Defiance Industries would pick it up and produced a downgraded version at their Hesperus II plant.

Sarna]FLS-C - Produced by the [url=" said:

Draconis Combine[/url]' date=' this variant based on the [i']8K[/i] removes the Flamer to carry a C3 Slave Unit. BV (1.0) = ??, BV (2.0) = 1,774^[6]

Is this sinking in for you at all? The Flashman and Black Knight may have been rare outside of the Com Guards, but in no way where they "extinct" as you put it. The rest of your comment is based on mere opinion and supposition, not fact so I will not bother to address it.

Edited by pursang, 20 March 2012 - 09:37 PM.

[Caballo]

Orion FTW.

Have i mentioned i love AC's?

[Belial]

I voted for the Orion. The only reason I passed up the Black Knight was because I'm afraid it WILL look like the TRO art, which to me is terrible and resembles the Tin Man from Wizard of Oz. Why does the MW4 version catch so much flak? I think it looks great.

[Vexgrave Lars]

I don't do Falsebook.. so my vote is here..

Orion

[Zakatak]

Orzorn, on 20 March 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:

Flashman. So many lasers, not even Transformers can keep up.

[Shiro]

Marau.... it was a very close call between Orion & Flashman.Because I don't wanted a sad Garth, so i voted for Flashman

[Siilk]

Orion

[TyGeR STD]

I would vote Timberwolf / Mad Cat, but that not being an option, BK would have to do

[Brakkyn]

HIemfire, on 20 March 2012 - 08:20 PM, said:

Flashman, lets bring in one that has not been in any recent renditions of the computer game, if ever.

I'm inclined to agree with you on that point alone. I voted for the Orion, but neither the Flashman nor the Black Knight have ever been given their due props.

[Elkarlo]

Don't have Facebook, but: Orion.

Very simple reason:
BK is Solomech with high Alphastrike ability ( then searching the next lake and evaporate it with it's heat)
Orion is a Teamplayer mech in the heavy range. It don't Excell in any distance or in DD. But it has max Armor and can fight in every range without great overheat problems.

When you want a DD take the Mar-3D. Better damage than BK.
When you want it cheap take WHM-6R.
If you want a real Tank which can take lot's of damage an step in to protect your DD mechs. Only Orion is the Choice.
He can Clownstop Closecombatants with his Armor and with the AC-10, KSR4 and both med he got good closecombat ability
without big heat problems. And longrange to Support his lance he got the LSR15.
It's a Lance Commanders Mech which needs Brains to be used. Black Knight would simply another Marauder in other Dress.
Simply Take the Mar-3L variant and you have BK only in good Looking
( Personal Favourit Heavy Lance is Mar, Whm, Arch and as Lance commander OR works even in MW4Mercs better than most Assault combinations.)

[Zedera]

While the Flashman has my respect for sticking it out as an underdog, and for being a decent mech in its own right, I cannot envision myself sitting in the cockpit of that mech, in any rendition of it, old or (possibly) new. It would take one hell of an artistic talent to make that mech fit in with MW:O's vein of design, and if I ever caught myself staring at one in battle, I'm not sure I wouldn't giggle a little bit, all the while dodging the pretty lights.

Granted there are uglier mechs out there than the Flashman, but I'm still gonna go ahead and vote for Black Knight, which is regardless the superior energy-weapons mech and the one that just fits in better, along with being a mech I'd love to pilot. I'd consider Orion, but as pointed out before, its similarity to the Centurion really makes its purpose a little superfluous with Centurion on the board already. Black Knight just seems to me to be the best choice aesthetically and variety-wise. We've yet to see a PPC in any released mech in their standard config.