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[Smoking GNU]

Dear mercenaries of MWO

[color=#333333]PETA have crossed a line into a lot of peoples childhoods and are using pokemon as a tool to attack children please share this and sign the petition. if you don't believe me search "PETA Pokemon" in google.[/color]


http://www.change.or...licly-apologize[color=#333333] [/color]

[color="#333333"]I only ask that the good people of this community take 5 minutes and sign this petition and show them where the line is.[/color]

[Randall White]

And this surprises you how?

BTW not defending PETA just stating that it should not surprise you at all.

[Gun Bear]

PETA is full of crazy people, whodda thunk it.

[HlynkaCG]

PETA lapsed into the realm of self-parody a long time ago.

[Nacon]

It was about time... I've knew for a long time since I was a kid... that PETA would get bent over Pokemon. Surprised it took them that long.

[Zakatak]

Justified. For once.

The Pokemon universe is about enslaving magical animals to fight eachother, either to solve your problems, or for entertainment. And when they are either victorious or beaten within an inch of their lives, they go back to the Pokeball until the next match, an inescapable tomb not fit for a living creature.

Its an entire economy based on dogfighting. It's sickening.

I still don't like you PETA.

Edited by Niko Snow, 09 October 2012 - 02:52 PM.
Cute video but waaaay too violent for here.

[Catamount]

Zakatak, on 09 October 2012 - 02:28 PM, said:

Justified. For once.

The Pokemon universe is about enslaving magical animals to fight eachother, either to solve your problems, or for entertainment. And when they are either victorious or beaten within an inch of their lives, they go back to the Pokeball until the next match, an inescapable tomb not fit for a living creature.

Its an entire economy based on dogfighting. It's sickening.

I still don't like you PETA.

You are reading wayyyy too much into a kid's franchise (and that isn't actually right ).

The series was about "making friends" with said magical creatures and working with them, not "enslaving" them. Is it silly? Of course it is. Is it the only silly thing loved by vast audiences around the world who are a little young to be concerned with philosophical exploration of the ins and outs of self-determination? Not at all.

Besides, Pokemon are easily capable of refusing to stay inside a poke ball; why do you think the main protagonist of the series gave up on using one for his pikachu about 10 minutes into the first episode? Later, said protagonist finds difficulty getting even a critically weak and injured pokemon to stay in a poke ball (a charmander, the exact circumstances around which I don't recall, because I was like 10). In fact, the actual level of forcible control exerted by trainers is so little, that in one instance, a trainer nearly invoked an attack on himself from his own scyther; the "enslaving" pokeball didn't do him much good.

In fact, it's a recurring theme in the game and show that these things will frequently disobey trainers they aren't inclined to follow. It became an issue early into the series with said charmander after it evolved.

If you/Peta/whoever are going to attack a silly children's franchise, then attack it for what it is: a silly children's franchise. Why are silly childrens' franchises bad? I don't know; you tell me

Edited by Catamount, 09 October 2012 - 03:47 PM.

[SouthernRex]

Pokemon originated from a guy who captured bugs. Anyways, PETA made a violent video game about Mario killing Turtles... seriously.. they are insane.

[DONTOR]

Well I for one LOVE P.E.T.A.= people eating tasty animals

[Evinthal]

M'eh, PETA doing what PETA does best. Bending/twisting things to suit there own agenda, even when the shelters they operate have a higher kill rate than pretty much any other shelter. I really hope the guys over at Dorkly spoof this one like they did with the Mario one.

Edited by Evinthal, 09 October 2012 - 06:02 PM.

[Egomane]

I attack Pokemon all the time and no one makes a news out of it. Now I am sad!
I believe it to be one of the worst kids shows and merchandise ever made.

On the other hand, I am attacking PETA for the way they want to create attention for animals in need of help. Right goal, wrong way to do it! If they put all that effort in actual helping and less into media, they would do a lot more good.

So we have two wrongs. I would love to have a time machine available to correct both.

[Gabopentin]

In 1947 an evil woman imprisoned a poor little lamb called Larry. She forced him to associate with strange characters, to walk on two legs and talk. Should this woman be prosecuted for doing this. According to the no hopers in PETA she should be. PETA needs to get a life. These are kids made up characters, not real life. If these sad sad people had their way we would have no childhood, no power and live in caves eating dirt, becaue even plants have feelings. Ah, cancel dirt because of the bacteria that lives in it.

[Ricardo]

I lost all respect for PETA several years ago when I sat in my station vehicle and ate a bucket of KFC with a protester.

She was still mad that I gave people prizes for showing me KFC sales receipts, so I put a chicken in her butt.

[Kerosene]

Pokemon battles is defiantly abusive to Pokemon...

[Catamount]

Egomane, on 10 October 2012 - 04:28 AM, said:

I attack Pokemon all the time and no one makes a news out of it. Now I am sad!


I believe it to be one of the worst kids shows and merchandise ever made.

I'm sorry your childhood was so thoroughly deprived

Egomane, on 10 October 2012 - 04:28 AM, said:

On the other hand, I am attacking PETA for the way they want to create attention for animals in need of help. Right goal, wrong way to do it! If they put all that effort in actual helping and less into media, they would do a lot more good.

So we have two wrongs. I would love to have a time machine available to correct both.

This is an understatement, to the point that I would question the notion that PETA's goal is to "help animals".

In 2010, PETA killed 97% of the cats who came through their shelter, and 88% of the dogs they received. The only group of animals adopted out in any numbers at all were "other companion animals" (only 64% were killed; about 36% were adopted). These were almost exclusively animals turned over by owners, which appears to be a guaranteed death sentence for basically any animal. In all, 80% of the animals that end up in their care get euthanized. (Source)


I've seen no-kill shelters; they only thing they require to operate is money, you know, like the $34 million a year that PETA takes in in revenue (actually, their shelter would require an infinitesimal fraction of that).

But the point isn't that PETA compares badly with no-kill shelters; it's that they compare badly with everybody. The state average for Virginia (available here; just select "All/Statewide" at the bottom, select 2010, and continue) shows that only 37% of overall animals are euthanized (a handful die in the facility). By contrast 55% are either reclaimed by owner, adopted out, or sent to another facility, in and out of state, to be released (get transferred to another facility that has a person waiting to adopt the animal or the owner waiting; that's how we got one of our dogs). A further 7% are still onhand. So almost 2/3 by state average get adopted out, reclaimed by owner, or kept onhand. Peta only does this with 20% of their animals; the other 80% are "euthanized" (none die in the facility just from being there; PETA kills them before they even have a chance to be there that long).

These statistics are even less flattering than that for PETA, because the statewide averages include a huge number of collected strays, seized animals, and animals from bite cases, which comprise 46% of statewide animals that go through shelters. By contrast, 97% of animals for PETA are owned pets handed over by willing owners, as mentioned before. So PETA gets the animals in the group least likely to require euthanization, and still manages such atrocious statistics.


PETA's goal seems to be to push a lifestyle and draw attention to themselves; helping animals seems to be a very tertiary goal for them, if they care at all.

Edited by Catamount, 10 October 2012 - 06:29 AM.

[Scratx]

I eat tasty animals. Yum!

Oh, this is about pokemon? Meh! Who cares.

[Evinthal]

Kerosene, on 10 October 2012 - 05:13 AM, said:

Pokemon battles is defiantly abusive to Pokemon...

I bleeping love that one!

Now I must go out and buy a copy of Black and/or White version 2.

Catamount, on 10 October 2012 - 06:19 AM, said:

I'm sorry your childhood was so thoroughly deprived



This is an understatement, to the point that I would question the notion that PETA's goal is to "help animals".

In 2010, PETA killed 97% of the cats who came through their shelter, and 88% of the dogs they received. The only group of animals adopted out in any numbers at all were "other companion animals" (only 64% were killed; about 36% were adopted). These were almost exclusively animals turned over by owners, which appears to be a guaranteed death sentence for basically any animal. In all, 80% of the animals that end up in their care get euthanized. (Source)


I've seen no-kill shelters; they only thing they require to operate is money, you know, like the $34 million a year that PETA takes in in revenue (actually, their shelter would require an infinitesimal fraction of that).

But the point isn't that PETA compares badly with no-kill shelters; it's that they compare badly with everybody. The state average for Virginia (available here; just select "All/Statewide" at the bottom, select 2010, and continue) shows that only 37% of overall animals are euthanized (a handful die in the facility). By contrast 55% are either reclaimed by owner, adopted out, or sent to another facility, in and out of state, to be released (get transferred to another facility that has a person waiting to adopt the animal or the owner waiting; that's how we got one of our dogs). A further 7% are still onhand. So almost 2/3 by state average get adopted out, reclaimed by owner, or kept onhand. Peta only does this with 20% of their animals; the other 80% are "euthanized" (none die in the facility just from being there; PETA kills them before they even have a chance to be there that long).

These statistics are even less flattering than that for PETA, because the statewide averages include a huge number of collected strays, seized animals, and animals from bite cases, which comprise 46% of statewide animals that go through shelters. By contrast, 97% of animals for PETA are owned pets handed over by willing owners, as mentioned before. So PETA gets the animals in the group least likely to require euthanization, and still manages such atrocious statistics.


PETA's goal seems to be to push a lifestyle and draw attention to themselves; helping animals seems to be a very tertiary goal for them, if they care at all.

Yup, really if it were up to them there would not be any form of domesticated animals period. We'd all be living in caves still hunting Aurochs with stone weapons.

Edited by Evinthal, 10 October 2012 - 08:37 AM.

[SkyChuffer]

Oh please PETA, I tried out your game and it wasn't even accurate.
I spammed Thundershock like crazy and Paralyze never triggered? Tsk.

And the entire narrative managed to collapse in on itself in the very first 'backstory' screen.

I treated my Mewtwo with love and respect and he was the best one ever.
We even had our own theme song;



^__^

[Gun Bear]

HlynkaCG, on 09 October 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

PETA lapsed into the realm of self-parody a long time ago.

PETA, The Republican Party, Occupy Wall Street, The State of Wisconson, Israel, The United Nations, and Japan have all fallen into self parody within the last 5 or so years.

[Atlai]

Zeithri, on 10 October 2012 - 11:30 AM, said:

Oh please PETA, I tried out your game and it wasn't even accurate.
I spammed Thundershock like crazy and Paralyze never triggered? Tsk.

And the entire narrative managed to collapse in on itself in the very first 'backstory' screen.

I treated my Mewtwo with love and respect and he was the best one ever.
We even had our own theme song;



^__^

I still have my original MewTwo from Firered all those years ago, i dont play Pokemon anymore but he is still alive somewhere in my brothers White Version PC(he keeps importing it for me to the latest series).