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[T0RC4ED]

Phrophet, on 23 March 2012 - 03:14 AM, said:

i'm new to the game so i cant see my self being very usfull but as i said before i will not betray the team i have been placed with and will honor thier rules and orders, its justt i dont want to join a clan or group, thank you for the info and the heads up on the special toys.

Some of us are veteran Battle tech Table top players, some are vets of Mechwarrior video games, and some are new to the Battle tech universe all together. The fact is we are all new to this game and your deeds on the field of battle will make you a hero, a tyrant, or cannon fodder.

[Nick Makiaveli]

T0RC4ED, on 23 March 2012 - 03:07 AM, said:

Typically in multi-player games players without clans/guilds will get a good thrashing if they end up in a PUG against a organised group. Asside from that I dont see anyone really giving you much of a hard time. Provided you are a useful player. If your one of these guys that is off on their own program being silly...expect FLACK.
As far as the actual game goes, you will have to build faction with the houses or merc units to gain special toys that the devs havnt told us what they are (my money is on house specific mechs and losttech weapons) just like the rest of us.

Well said, but I thought for Lone Wolves that House rep didn't matter? That is was for people who wanted to fight, and then fight more and not engage in the lore/political side etc.

[Stormblast]

Basically, if a lone wolf player is plugged in to fill an empty slot on a roster for an existing group, I'd expect them to follow and respect the instructions of whoever was leading that group. This goes both ways, the group needs to communicate with the lone wolf to facilitate cooperative play.

There will probably be some discrimination against lone wolves, just as houses will discriminate against each other, and the Snakes will discriminate against everyone. But if a lone wolf proves themselves, then they will be a valuable asset to whoever they play with.

[Seabear]

Mercs and lone wolves have their place and fuction in the BT/MW universe. While you may get some flak in game, the people involved will treat you well if the forums have been any indication.

[T0RC4ED]

Nick Makiaveli, on 23 March 2012 - 09:01 AM, said:

Well said, but I thought for Lone Wolves that House rep didn't matter? That is was for people who wanted to fight, and then fight more and not engage in the lore/political side etc.

Could be, but im sure the devs won't leave them out in the cold wile those of us that signed on with an EPIC merc unit get all kinds of perks. Did anyone mention we have a Bar?

[Caballo]

No, you're gonna be discriminated for asking this kind of questions.

[Osirus]

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[Gunmage]

Well, as current community consists mostly of well-educated, polite and even-tempered adults, there is no way anyone would get discriminated, isn't it.

Edited by Gunmage, 23 March 2012 - 09:25 AM.

[JunkyardWolf]

As usuall in most MMO's they wont "force" you to team but they sure will make it a pain if you dont. I can see a lot of BT fans signing up ( i started playing the table top in the 80's)because they love the game only to get discouraged because yet another game wants to make you team. Yes ive heard all the "MMO stands for Massive multiplayer" etc etc,yet fans are stuck because they wont publish a stand alone version so we end up in a MMO and get are butts handed to us if we dont tow the line and join some group. I for one will be wearing my asbestos Depends

[Tannhauser Gate]

@Phrophet

There will be hundreds if not thousands of people who will comprise a pool of unaffiliated pilots like you. The unit / faction pilots will judge you based on your skill and attitude. You will be courted and invited to join units as they try to build up their rosters. As far as actual discrimination based on your lack of faction, I think you wont get much of that.

In a roleplay sense, I would HOPE that Im discriminated for or against depending on my faction, allies, and brothers-in-arms. That's just cool intrigue and context for the actual combat.

Edited by LakeDaemon, 23 March 2012 - 09:56 AM.

[Dnarvel]

The more I look at it and read into all these kinds of topics. No one is really sure how lonewolves will be utilized fully. It might be in the best interest to find a merc group with ideals that match your own and start talking to them. Maybe not to go so far as joining, but just get to know them, results may be surprising. Personally, I'm starting to look into the different merc groups.

[T0RC4ED]

JunkyardWolf, on 23 March 2012 - 09:28 AM, said:

As usuall in most MMO's they wont "force" you to team but they sure will make it a pain if you dont. I can see a lot of BT fans signing up ( i started playing the table top in the 80's)because they love the game only to get discouraged because yet another game wants to make you team. Yes ive heard all the "MMO stands for Massive multiplayer" etc etc,yet fans are stuck because they wont publish a stand alone version so we end up in a MMO and get are butts handed to us if we dont tow the line and join some group. I for one will be wearing my asbestos Depends

To be honest with yall, for the last 9 months ive been limited to single player games and I have to tell you,single player games are fun, but they lack the true interactive feel you get from playing with other people. Lets face it, the victory dance just isnt as satisfying when you just finnished comp stomping. In a multi-player game like COD, BF, world of tanks, or even a pvp MMO anything can happen in a match. You may win you may loose but its always more thrilling to crush your enemies when you know they are cursing your name a thousand miles a way

[00dlez]

Dnarvel, on 23 March 2012 - 09:53 AM, said:

The more I look at it and read into all these kinds of topics. No one is really sure how lonewolves will be utilized fully. It might be in the best interest to find a merc group with ideals that match your own and start talking to them. Maybe not to go so far as joining, but just get to know them, results may be surprising. Personally, I'm starting to look into the different merc groups.

They won't be used, per se, they are just going to serve as filler

If at the time of game launch there are 10 FRR players and 11 DCMS players ready, 3 lone wolves will get added and the 12 v 12 match will launch

They advantage to not declaring loyalty or joining a merc group is you won't be limited in the matches you get placed in. Rather than getting into the next available FRR match, you will get placed in the next available match.

[Dlardrageth]

Really have to wonder why people have such a hard time understanding what's the basic concept behind a team-based game, sheesh. Apart from the odd sociopath out, who probably isn't fit for anything that involves more than his personal ego, of course.

[Acer Lerxt]

Gunmage, on 23 March 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

Well, as current community consists mostly of well-educated, polite and even-tempered adults, there is no way anyone would get discriminated, isn't it.

I'll be the Devil's Advocate here, and take the unpopular position.

I'm in the group you mentioned in that quote, and I discriminate against lone wolves.

While there are exceptions to the rule, the general player base is unskilled, unreliable, incorrigible, or some combination of all 3.

I play in guild groups because I can't tolerate those kinds of people. I'm fortunate enough to be employed in a way that I don't have to interface with them in real life, and I choose my gaming affiliations so that I don't have to deal with them there, either.

I'm perfectly fine with losing out on the chance to play with the diamond in the rough due to my inherent prejudice there-- it's all about risk vs reward, and the risk of getting an asshat is too high to offset the reward of playing with a good player.

[Karyudo ds]

Dnarvel, on 23 March 2012 - 09:53 AM, said:

The more I look at it and read into all these kinds of topics. No one is really sure how lonewolves will be utilized fully. It might be in the best interest to find a merc group with ideals that match your own and start talking to them. Maybe not to go so far as joining, but just get to know them, results may be surprising. Personally, I'm starting to look into the different merc groups.

Dev blogs have talked about it a little. Seems like you'll have access to different perks (mech pricing etc) or things like that but not we aren't really sure about beyond that lonewolves and mercs will be able to join battles from either side thus probably getting games faster.

I expect some players to not care for the pick up guys but in Battletech mercenaries were common, really common, common enough to get 2 games named after them in the MW series. So would I discriminate? Yup! Only as far as the game goes. If I like you usually and see you on the other team I might even say hi...even if you've ALWAYS been on the other team!

On the other hand in a game about teamwork with predetermined factions I suppose you (the lone wolf) on my team might make me wonder how effective you are as a team player. In reality though the Davion guy next to me? He sucks at team play and only plays once a week, and isn't a very nice guy. So there is a perception against the Lone Wolf but it's a metagame one. Just being by yourself doesn't mean you work poorly with others any more than being in a faction means you work well with others...I know I didn't have to take a teamwork test to change my avatar.

[fearfactory]

Shoot, I plan on being a lone wolf or "Pirate." The whole online team thing reminds me of a bunch of Halo kids advertising their 1337 skills or House Davion.

EDIT: Plus, I want to have the experience, but I want it on my terms, meaning I don't need to worry about planning my life around invading a fake planet. I'm more of a causal gamer.

Edited by fearfactory, 23 March 2012 - 11:26 AM.

[Aegis Kleais]

You can either make a name for yourself as the crackshot loner who belongs to no band and is a fearsome enemy to behold on the field.

Or you can be a dumbdy George that gallivants across the map, openly giving away teammate positions and ruining their finely laid tactics.

It's up to you.

[Parhelion]

Karyudo-ds, on 23 March 2012 - 11:18 AM, said:

Just being by yourself doesn't mean you work poorly with others any more than being in a faction means you work well with others...I know I didn't have to take a teamwork test to change my avatar.

^^ well said

Edited by Parhelion, 23 March 2012 - 11:48 AM.

[Morgana]

Karyudo-ds, on 23 March 2012 - 11:18 AM, said:

Just being by yourself doesn't mean you work poorly with others any more than being in a faction means you work well with others...I know I didn't have to take a teamwork test to change my avatar.

agreed, well said. Not every player has the real-life time to invest in becoming a member of a "group". If you are respectful, helpful, and work to attain the "team's" goals, in a consistant manner, you should be able to make a good name for yourself. Word would get around that you are a good and viable "fill-in". I wouldn't at all mind meeting a few lone wolves like this, because you never know when you may need them. However, if you come in all cocky and L33T, yea, I can see it happening. Alot depends on the attitude you portray to others. But unfortunately, you will inevitably run across teams, that just have plain crappy attitudes themselves, therefore know nothing other than to exhibit as such in-game.

Hef, on 23 March 2012 - 02:20 AM, said:

Yes, you will be discriminated against, in every possible way. By everyone. For no reason. Because that's the kind of people we are, all of us.

So kind of you to speak for ALL of us. Did I miss the poll that asked ALL of us? Personally I'm here to have fun and enjoy the game, not waste my time discriminating against players for whatever reason. There's enough of that going on in real-life! This BT Universe is to be an escape from real-life.

The OP of this thread is of school age, and his priorities may not BE this game. But because he want's a chance to learn and enjoy the game in the spare time he may have, several posters feel he should be discriminated against? Yea, I have a problem with that. Sad that peeps make judgements like this before they even have the chance to play with/against him.

.......just my 2¢ Prophet, I wish you well, don't let others discourage you from having fun.