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[Damocles]

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He had a daughter you know:

Doesn't she date someone who is technically of House Steiner?

Face it, Rasalhague, you are just the side-fling of our Mercenaries abroad. ;D

Edited by Damocles, 12 April 2012 - 07:13 PM.

[Dihm]

[T0RC4ED]

The Legion stands ready to fulfill contracts.

[FaustianQ]

Just poking in because I like following nubnubs statistical data. As an ally to the Steiners, I'd like to mention that although it exists in the future, both the clan invasion and the FedCom civil war are two potential sticking points for the Commonwealth, depending on viewpoint, and people do in fact base their judgment of the faction on these events.

For one, there is a current lack of urgency as to the defense from the impending clans. This might have to do with fact some people view the clan invasion in a deterministic viewpoint - with no ability to influence the clan invasion as a group, there is little reason to fight them specifically when other, more standard enemies abound. Furthermore, if the clan invasion is deterministic, then it is the DC and the FRR who get earliest access to clan tech, as compared to the LC, FWL and FS.

The point being is that the clan invasion needs to be sold as a real fight, not only against the clans, but against the FRR and DC for clan tech. if you can convince people that joining the Commonwealth in numbers is the most effective way to stop the clans and obtain the tech edge a good number will be seeking. You could say this attracts fair weather people, but you get enough fair weather people together and you'll achieve a critical mass in which volume keeps the momentum going, and as an added (opinion) point, virtually everyone joins an organization as a fair weather person first and foremost, loyalists are made by having something worthy to be loyal too.

Now, about the FedCom civil war. Although we cannot ascertain if it will happen, it does taint a significant number of peoples opinions of House Steiner, mine as well. This is simply part of a larger PR issue however that House Steiner suffers from. You are known as "those Germans and Swiss bankers" or that "blue fist faction" or the "socialite army". The DCMS, AFFS and even the RRA are sold as real fighters with real armies with rich backgrounds full of personal character - the LCAF is sold as essentially a mercenary army guided by incompetents, and backed by monetary ideals instead of lofty goals or LCD idealism. The issue is that you're getting little to separate the LCAF experience from general mercenary experience besides the limitations of faction allegiance.

House Steiner is in need of a new image to compete on the same level as Davion propaganda, and change must happen, as it's quite obvious that they aren't liking you (enough) for whom you are now. I personally don't know enough Steiner lore to drum up a new propaganda campaign, but I am sure someone does.

[Karl Streiger]

You are right - as you know you can do 9 of 10 times everything in the right way...if you fail on the 10th all what remain is the expierience of your fail.
A example is the 3 Royal Guards...a elite RCT - wiped out on northwind by 1 1/2 regiments of mercs - and afterwards during op bulldog they are not able to identify nova cats as friendly units.

There are some example of the new line of Steiner warriors: the 11th Arctuan Guards nearly destroyed Victor Star Destroyer...the milita of DarSalam did the same...not to mention the Coventry Jaegers die fighting instead of capitulation

well luckily we are not allone - the Smoke Jags have the same poor reputation - but how could they be bad - they were one of the 4 first invading clans...the had 2 ilkhans...

Edited by Karl Streiger, 19 April 2012 - 09:42 PM.

[Shadowgamer]

new steiner reporting

[BFett]

I think it's about time for updated stats. But a link to the stats page would be nice too.

[Exillian]

We are Lyrans we can always buy alliegience? right?

WE MUST CAMPAIGN WHOEVER JOIN THE COMMON WEALTH GETS A FREE T SHIRT WITH AN IRON FIST AS ITS AVATAR.



and free Beer.


offer is only limited to the 1st 1000 members.

Edited by Exillian, 08 May 2012 - 03:02 PM.

[Remorce]

Probably because kath was a backstabbing, ruthless ***** who only cares about herself.

Just saying.

[McGruff]

I do rather be Steiner than be oportunistic and choose the good guys (Davion) .

Steiner will be what we make it (in part) so lets get the job done.

[Ancalagon]

Remorce, on 28 May 2012 - 05:07 PM, said:

Probably because kath was a backstabbing, ruthless ***** who only cares about herself.

Just saying.

Well she is the reason I joined House Steiner so...

All hail Archon Katrina Steiner the Second!

[Zelyoniy]

McGruff, on 31 May 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

I do rather be Steiner than be oportunistic and choose the good guys (Davion) .

Davions are good guys only for those, who don't know history.. %)

Ancalagon, on 31 May 2012 - 04:17 PM, said:

Well she is the reason I joined House Steiner so...

All hail Archon Katrina Steiner the Second!

I'm surprised... Why she?? Imho: Katherine was the worst thing, that happened to Lyran Commonwealth!

[Titus Aelius Casca]

Zelyoniy, on 01 June 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

I'm surprised... Why she?? Imho: Katherine was the worst thing, that happened to Lyran Commonwealth!

Here here. It's a real shame, too, because I like the Lyran's wealth, I like their German influences, and I really, really like their raiment and heraldry. If I had to pick a great house, it'd probably be Steiner. But I can't help thinking that I'd be putting my 'mechs into the hands of a crazed despot who'd later join the Clans. To be sure, none of the great houses are flawless, let alone their leaders. But a psychologically manipulative tyrant who usurps her brother, terrorizes her sister, and generally makes a mess of the greatest interstellar realm since the Star League? And then goes on to sign up with the Clans out of spite and desperation? Decidedly sub-optimal.

And like I said, it's a pity, because I like Steiner as a whole, especially given their history with Rasalhague. I guess it's another example of the professional, prosperous Lyrans being cursed with poor leaders.

[Zelyoniy]

Titus Aelius Casca, on 03 June 2012 - 09:24 AM, said:

And like I said, it's a pity, because I like Steiner as a whole, especially given their history with Rasalhague. I guess it's another example of the professional, prosperous Lyrans being cursed with poor leaders.

Cursed? Katrin Steiner, Melisa, Katherin Shtainer-Davion, Peter, Adam Steiner.. I think only one in that line was problem.

[Rhegar]

Steiner all the way! (Until 3050 cough cough) Big fan of Steiner especially during the Katrina years. I tend to root for whoever the "bad guys" are. Plus the way I look at it in army full of social generals, a great general will stand out even more.

[Johan Karl Steiner]

Shadowgamer, on 25 April 2012 - 11:50 AM, said:

new steiner reporting

Welcome new Steiner! Come to Skye! Its a great vacation and a great place to join the Skye Brigade! :-)

[Titus Aelius Casca]

Zelyoniy, on 03 June 2012 - 11:41 AM, said:

Cursed? Katrin Steiner, Melisa, Katherin Shtainer-Davion, Peter, Adam Steiner.. I think only one in that line was problem.

You're correct, of course. The Steiner family​ has a long history of competence. But I was thinking more of your military, which tends to saddle itself with your infamous social generals. I suppose with the biggest 'mechs, the best economy, and the coolest raiment, the gods of creation had to find something to stop you from curbstomping the rest of the inner sphere.

Edited by Titus Aelius Casca, 03 June 2012 - 10:08 PM.

[Sericen]

more people'd come you tell'em we got punch n pie!

[MrHacknslash]

I'd be willing to lend a hand and a leg... for a price, of course.
I give discounts for birthdays and holidays.