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[wolfrider66]

I've read most of the posts in this topic. I myself put out 125$ I think it was to help get this game off the ground because Mechwarrior for me was the most fun game I ever played...I'm 45 and have been a gamer since before Zork, Ataris, early Apples, hell before computers and the internet went public. Both sides have valid points but most of this is assumptions. "you forced this on your friends no wonder they don't like it" is an assumption. "I'm only losing because of premades" simply cannot be true. I'm sure you've been ganked by PUGs just as often. I have not been playing at all since laying down the cash months ago. Hell I got some fancy Mechs for that cash and I don't even use them. My deal is I have Lyme disease and my right hand keeps going all paralyzed on me so I'm trying to invent a way to play one handed. Or one handed and an elbow lol. But hear me you "Bungalow Heads", I will get out there and stomp some metal soon.

Me
"Make your own luck"

[Krivvan]

Lin Shai, on 31 October 2012 - 06:21 AM, said:

And if you're losing every game 0-8 ... perhaps you should think about why that is. When I'm PUGing that is literally rarely if ever the case. Hell, even in the rare instance that I'm actually playing against a pre-made team, I can usually take one of them with me unless my entire PUG has gone rambo and wandered off to die somewhere. Find an atlas on your team. Shoot whatever it's shooting at.

Just to corroborate this isn't just an attempt at subtle bragging. I've had the same experience. In an earlier thread (one long gone I think) I recorded my progress over 10-15 games of pugging. I lost once. They were all on PUG teams against other PUGs or premades.

[Tasorin]

Dagger906, on 30 October 2012 - 02:52 PM, said:

This has to be fixed asap. It can't wait. Ppl are treating Open Beta like a Demo, instead of beta testing. First impression matters. You'll have to work 10x as hard to make up for it later, for those who give you another chance. Most won't. Just disable teaming completely until matchmaking can be implemented properly. Premade players won't just leave, unlike puggers who are checking out the game. They'll bid their time in beta until teaming is implemented again.

Actually I would turn off my Premium Account until they put Teams and Matchmaking back in. I defiantly wouldn't give PGI another dime if they take teaming out and would wait until its re-implemented and checked it out before I ever considered giving them any more money. I would probably play MWO a lot less as well as all Solo queue. I didn't give PGI $120 bucks as an investment to play a team based title Solo.

You can only carry terribads so far, and while I do agree the Solo Only queue would help the title in the short run, i think it will also harm the title in the long run. PGI is going to have to decide which devil its going to deal with. Those of us who have given money already and have a higher propensity to spend money with PGI, or to those who are largely freemium players who are a much larger base of players but have a significantly lower propensity to spend money with PGI.

[An Ax Murderer]

To all the people who scream that premades are ruining the game..

"Master, I marvel how the fishes live in the sea.—Why, as men do a-land—the great ones eat up the little ones."

[1608 Shakespeare Pericles ii. i. 27]

Instead of making excuses, help yourself. Join a teamspeak, you won't be disappointed.

[Lin Shai]

Krivvan, on 31 October 2012 - 06:42 AM, said:

Just to corroborate this isn't just an attempt at subtle bragging. I've had the same experience. In an earlier thread (one long gone I think) I recorded my progress over 10-15 games of pugging. I lost once. They were all on PUG teams against other PUGs or premades.

Sorry, it wasn't meant to come out sounding like that

The point I was trying to make is that if your team of eight people can't kill even one enemy mech ... the problem isn't the other team.

If just two people on a PUG team would act in concert, there would be few 0-8 PUG rolls, regardless if the enemy team was a "pre-made" or just another PUG (which is normally the case).

Three people acting in concert? They might even kill two enemy mechs before departing this mortal coil.

[SubXulu]

Throbbinwood, on 30 October 2012 - 03:08 PM, said:

Do people not know that better matchmaking is around the corner?

To late, so many games out there most people dont do 2nd chances, all they had to do was make sure the newbs had some fun for their first (10-20?) matches ... hell if MM just looked at total games played until you hit say 30 and only put people with < 30 games together that would have worked. Epic oversight.

[KovarD]

Comguard, on 30 October 2012 - 02:50 PM, said:

The Devs had different priorities than the matchmaker. Coconut Monkey and Pay 2 Wang.

Yea cause art department is the same than program department...

[Gameboii]

even when playing in premades, most people blame our losses on other premades. whats up with that? i've been part of some really bad premades, its not hard to beleive a group of PUG's handed our ***** to us.

[Mr Steinbrenner]

I believe the mm wouldnt seem as bad if early game wasnt so super lame for people who arent founders. i was playing with trial mechs for quite sometime and they are hard work. they should be rotating through mechs to provide a bit of variety or provide trial c-bills for light mods to the trial mechs.

as soon as i went back to my old faithful builds the game got waaay better again. getting stomped by premades every now and then didnt feel so bad anymore because i was doing damage and getting kills every game.

honestly new players have to be nurtured a bit. i have been getting a lot of satisfaction giving tips to new players and when a group of pugs gets some basic tactics going this game really shines. probably only one out of four games someone will **** up and really give some advice not just 'stay together' .give grid references, tell scouts to not engage directly just scout and wait for backup, focus fire, things like that. i think it would be nice for veteran players to get in there and help new people a bit more.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Dagger906, on 30 October 2012 - 02:52 PM, said:

This has to be fixed asap. It can't wait. Ppl are treating Open Beta like a Demo, instead of beta testing. First impression matters. You'll have to work 10x as hard to make up for it later, for those who give you another chance. Most won't.

Just disable teaming completely until matchmaking can be implemented properly. Premade players won't just leave, unlike puggers who are checking out the game. They'll bid their time in beta until teaming is implemented again.

Honestly this is what we have been trying to tell PGI all along. The Industry has made it so that the definition of Open Beta is the Demo or try before you buy period just prior to launch, not an actual developmental beta.

PGI should have probably used a different term, maybe Public Beta which should mean the same thing but doesn't in the eyes of the gaming community. Since they didn't use that term, they should be hammering it into new players that this game is still in a developmental beta cycle so they know what they are getting into.

What they should do is include a Billboard type screen that pops up as soon as you long in that in big bold letters say,

"WELCOME TO MWO OPEN BETA. PLEASE BE AWARE THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY STILL IN A DEVELOPMENTAL CYCLE WITH THE GAME, AND AS SUCH CONTENT AND FEATURES ARE NOT FULLY IMPLEMENTED AND YOU SHOULD EXPECT CONSTANT CHANGES AND UPDATES. PLEASE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT OPEN BETA IS FULLY REPRESENTATIVE OF OUR PLANS FOR THE FINAL FINISHED AND RELEASED PRODUCT SO PLEASE FEEL WELCOME AND THANKS FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE IN OUR BETA TESTING PROCESS."

This way at least, people know what to expect and will lead to alot less frustration and disappointment.

Honestly I have to admit I am worried because yesterday the view count on the tutorial video was only like 305 where I would normally have expected that number to be in the thousands due to new players joining and trying to figure out the game.

[IIIuminaughty]

Mack1, on 30 October 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

Well this just sucks, everyone I introduced to the game since OB has now left due to Premades. They say "why should I do something that is not fun" I kind of agree with them. Am only here because I have two good Mechs and even against Premades I can do enough damage to make a profit.

I just think the Devs should be kicked up the arse as we warned them about this over 3 months ago, no excuses, it's harming the game, fix it or lose money. Oh and 4 man lances won't fix it, we need Solo queues.

Why didnt u and ur friends join a group together????

[Bishop Steiner]

Desecrator, on 30 October 2012 - 02:54 PM, said:

Ever stop to think people dont wish to play like you do.

How many times are you going to try and force your playstyle down someones throats.

Solo players are a fact in MMOs. It has been for a long time
The successful games are friendly to solo players.
The games that do not fail.

When the solo players jump ship, the numbers go down, the game fails , and you can kiss another game goodbye
I think you severely underestimate how many solo players there are. Without them you wouldn't have a game to play in

When are YOU going to stop trying to ram YOUR style of play down peoples throats?

This is not, never has been promoted as, a FPS, solo hero MMO. It has ALWAYS been promoted as a Team/Role Warfare tactical Sim. Just because you can't get THAT idea through your head, and a vocal minority of pissants who will only be happy when this turns into CoD with Stompy Robots, does not mean that the Devs, who were very transparent with their goal, nor the players who signed up to play that TEAM VERSUS TEAM game, should have to cater to your whims. ESPECIALLY since the majority of those who seem to whine loudest about PUG/PreMade have never , and probably will never, no matter how much the Devs bend to them, pay a single red cent to support the game.

It's a Free to Play TEAM game. Not a Free to Tyrannically Force Your Way Of Playing onto a Game never meant to be what you seem to want Game.

[Kraven Kor]

Gameboii, on 31 October 2012 - 07:01 AM, said:

even when playing in premades, most people blame our losses on other premades. whats up with that? i've been part of some really bad premades, its not hard to beleive a group of PUG's handed our ***** to us.

I admit to hearing this on TS as well. "Oh man, that must have been another premade, they were really coordinated."

Usually not as an excuse necessarily, just an offhand comment after a loss, but it makes me chuckle.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

Lin Shai, on 31 October 2012 - 06:21 AM, said:

And if you're losing every game 0-8 ... perhaps you should think about why that is. When I'm PUGing that is literally rarely if ever the case. Hell, even in the rare instance that I'm actually playing against a pre-made team, I can usually take one of them with me unless my entire PUG has gone rambo and wandered off to die somewhere. Find an atlas on your team. Shoot whatever it's shooting at.

I said fighting a premade is 8-0, not pugvspug. With pug vs pug the winning team will actually take a few deaths.

[Henchman 24]

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Sometimes a company needs to manage customer fears. A solo only group function would make sure people knew they were not getting rolled by premade groups. Should have been easy. Would have saved a lot of whinning.

Very true, this also goes with "Sometimes a company should actually listen to their playerbase"(no matter how small or 'fatigued' you may think they are) and maybe take some of that gaming experience to heart.

To clear this up, closed beta players weren't fatigued by anything more than XP, CBill wipes. They were concerned more with the utter incomplete state of the game. The original pushback served only to prevent open players from seeing exactly how borked the game was at that state.

Considering the slug like pace some of the patches seem to be released at...the pushback should have had us into November before Open if they were concerned with a playable game.

Ego up all you like, nothing will change the fact that this game needs open f2p guys more than premades to make money. Right now, that's not doing so well. I still have 3 hardcore BT fan friends who won't touch it after seeing it in action on mine.

The biggest quote so far: "That's it? After all these years...that's all they come up with for us? This terrible WoT clone?" - I'm paraphrasing the word terrible there...

Edited by Henchman 24, 31 October 2012 - 07:38 AM.

[Bryan Ekman]

Thanks guys for the opinions and feedback. Closing thread. Well discussed, hashed, and documented.