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[Dihm]

The Sniper, on 03 April 2012 - 12:17 PM, said:

What is going on in this thread is the main reason I'm pushing for the group of players which I played with in MPBT to detach ourselves from any house affiliation and run strictly merc. Unfortunately, if the entire player base feels the way I do the end result will make houses glorified merc units with no command structure. Who will be in charge of coordinating troops? Who will have the authority to pay merc units to work for a particular house? These questions may have been answered in Dev posts which I have missed, the issue remains that I keep hearing that house structure will not be player controlled. In my opinion the decision to take that approach removes a critical element of this game, both tactical and political, that one can argue is essential for the success of the persistent universe and community.

We don't know exactly how the Factions will work, but it is implied in the Community Warfare blog that PGI will handle what the House is attacking and when, though players with very high loyalty points MAY have some influence. There is intentionally no command structure within the factions, since they want the Merc unit to be where the "hardcore" congregate it seems. The game itself will handle payments to merc units, there will be no players involved. Coordinating the troops doesn't seem to be "necessary", but again, this is very vague still. I imagine we'll see a VERY rough planetary conquest system (they said 1 battle determines ownership at "launch) to start with that will develop with time and player input.

LordRush, on 03 April 2012 - 12:21 PM, said:

No Dihm...I perfectly understand and validate your point. It is a very sharp edged catch 22.
BOTH groups will have to come to an agreement or it will be divided. Plain and simple.

OMG, we just came to some sort of agreement!

Hi5!

The Sniper, on 03 April 2012 - 12:24 PM, said:

We are a mixture of DRAAGUN and Crescent Hawks (from Solaris) but I am assuming we will continue with the DRAAGUN name here. Home of 4 of 5 player run league tournaments in MPBT: Solaris, winner of the only game sponsored team tournament (with prizes in value of I think roughly $800 distributed to each lance member) in MPBT: Solaris, we have on board the winner of the 1v1 game sponsored tournament with a grand prize of a brand new Dell Computer (Pentium 2.. back in the day. Oh, that was me btw) in MPBT:Solaris, and home of Vengeance League champions in MW:4. This explains, in a nutshell, who we are.

A simple "DRAAGUN" would have worked. Thanks for the CV though,

[xMarshallx]

Dihm, on 03 April 2012 - 12:27 PM, said:

A simple "DRAAGUN" would have worked. Thanks for the CV though,

That was done purely in response to you talking about a rivalry. I just wanted to give you a little background so you knew what you were getting yourself into... you're messing with the big boys now.

[Convaras Bloodskorn]

We tremble in fear before the gods of the pentium ii era.

[LordRush]

uh oh...Dont want Draagun involved or it could get a lil messy around here /grins

[Dihm]

A signature does wonders to spread the word I've found.

I was in the 22nd RR back in the day, and later the 9th Sword of the Dragon, can't say I remember running in to you guys but that was ages ago.

[Deathwarrior]

Convaras Bloodskorn, on 03 April 2012 - 12:36 PM, said:

We tremble in fear before the gods of the pentium ii era.

The Sniper, on 03 April 2012 - 12:24 PM, said:

Vengeance League champions in MW:4. This explains, in a nutshell, who we are.

P II godly skills transferred over into P IV godly skills. No reason why PIV godly skills wont come over into the I5/I7 era.

[xMarshallx]

Convaras Bloodskorn, on 03 April 2012 - 12:36 PM, said:

We tremble in fear before the gods of the pentium ii era.

I think Deathwarrior summed it up quite well, however, I feel compelled to at least acknowledge your post and think your assessment of the situation is almost spot on. The only difference being this, If you see us pouring out of the drop ship, I highly doubt fear is the only emotion coursing through your veins.

Dihm, on 03 April 2012 - 12:37 PM, said:

A signature does wonders to spread the word I've found.

I was in the 22nd RR back in the day, and later the 9th Sword of the Dragon, can't say I remember running in to you guys but that was ages ago.

We're not really interested in spreading the word around to be rather blunt. We have a core group coming back that we are fine to start up with and once the "great" pilots identify themselves in this game we have no doubt they'll make their way to us.

[Shiinore]

I don't even.

[DrnkJawa]

Dear Mr. The Sniper, we were cautiously wondering why choose a name like that? were you good with long range weapons to kill every opposing fool with them in a single shot? Regards the maniacs

[xMarshallx]

DrnkJawa, on 03 April 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

Dear Mr. The Sniper, we were cautiously wondering why choose a name like that? were you good with long range weapons to kill every opposing fool with them in a single shot? Regards the maniacs

Actually, I was just Sniper previously but someone took that name here so I had to modify it slightly. As far as the name selection, it was actually just a random name I chose the first day playing BattleTech and I just never swayed from it. Coincidentally, a missed shot was extremely rare for me so the name is in fact rather fitting.

[Shiinore]

The Sniper, on 03 April 2012 - 02:13 PM, said:

Actually, I was just Sniper previously but someone took that name here so I had to modify it slightly. As far as the name selection, it was actually just a random name I chose the first day playing BattleTech and I just never swayed from it. Coincidentally, a missed shot was extremely rare for me so the name is in fact rather fitting.

Do you quickscope?

[xMarshallx]

Shiinore, on 03 April 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

Do you quickscope?

I didn't really get into MW4 like a lot of the folks from DRAAGUN so all of my success was in MPBT and there was no zoom available there.

[Skoll]

As much as I love the bravado from the resident geriatrics here, and how they think they're going to rule the roost right from the bat, that has nothing to do with the central issues of CoC being discussed here.

[xMarshallx]

Skoll-, on 03 April 2012 - 04:26 PM, said:

As much as I love the bravado from the resident geriatrics here, and how they think they're going to rule the roost right from the bat, that has nothing to do with the central issues of CoC being discussed here.

The central issues of CoC turned into a mud-slinging contest and has been derailed oh so long ago. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this thread in regards to the Davion CoC and not how a lone merc unit's voice shall be heard in this structure? The 'resident geriatrics' bravado is annoying I'm sure, especially when you have nothing to base our merit off of, but maybe you should take a step back and reconsider what many are interpreting as a "holier than thou" approach your unit is conveying. The existing establishment of House Davion, whether recognized by the game staff or not, has been attacked, criticized and placed under scrutiny so I'm exercising my right to come out and say there's one existing unit I'm going to get a thorough pleasure of meeting on the battlefield. So you sir Skoll, have a nice day, and have a bit more tact in choosing your words because some may not appreciate being spoken to in that manner.

[Paladin1]

Skoll-, on 03 April 2012 - 04:26 PM, said:

As much as I love the bravado from the resident geriatrics here, and how they think they're going to rule the roost right from the bat, that has nothing to do with the central issues of CoC being discussed here.

Actually Skoll, I think it's a perfect example of the kind of bullshit that's been on display in this thread. A bunch of people who may or may not have been pretty good at one or more different games over a decade ago seem to think that somehow entitles them to leadership of House Davion and that's what's rubbing people the wrong way.

Get this through your heads people. We don't know enough about the game to even begin planning out a CoC, much less assigning leadership positions, so your past experience doesn't matter and isn't worth **** at this point. If it mattered, there's several of us Old Guard that have over 20 years of experience in the Battletech Universe who are way the **** ahead of you rooks in total time in Universe, so seriously, knock it the **** off. It's pretty pathetic, to be honest.

[BobBagels {ScorpS}]

Hello {S}

First I wanna say Im not one for fancy words and correct phrases and stuff. So pardon me if this comes out a little rough. I mean no disrespect.

I been watching this thread for a while now and I see postings like

"As much as I love the bravado from the resident geriatrics here, and how they think they're going to rule the roost right from the bat"

and
"We tremble in fear before the gods of the pentium ii era"

Well ya know, who cares, really?

I mean, and just for the record, I was pretty heavily involved with MPBT AOL Solaris, MPBT GS Solaris, MPBT 3025 and M4.
For many years.
SSL's , Lance leagues
I actually attended 2 or 3 (cant remember which) conventions where we met developers, Microsoft and Fasa reps, designers, artists and so on.
We spent $$ on these conventions, machines, web sites.
We spent untold hours in game and out organizing our clan, troops and house affiliations.
So, I been around the block once or twice as far as this game is concerned.
Some of you know me, probably most dont.

Now some names within this post I recognize.
Stone, Quin, X, Rush, Sniper, DW, Eagle, and a few others.
And in other places I know old timers are chompin at the bit to get goin again.

And then there are those in this thread that I either have never heard of or just cant remember. (and i usually have a decent memory even though I am one of those resident geriatrics I guess)

So, my first question COULD be,
Who are you guys?

And my second question COULD be,
Where were all of you throughout all those years I mentioned earlier?
We could of used your help (maybee)

But I dont think I wanna ask that stuff. Instead I think I wanna ask,
Why do you want to be house leaders and involved in the CoC so bad?
Do you guys think its a cake walk?

I mean, just from bieng a leader of the Scorps for a year or 2 I know its alot of work, not much time to actually game and you really, REALLY, need to have your #$% together to do it properly and effectively.

UM, have any of you guys ever been a leader at that level before? (there is no substitute for experience ya know)

I ask this last question because I actually have no problem with new faces comming in, but I gotta know that whoever I'm fightin for has their pencils sharpened if ya know what I mean.
The people here that I DO know I KNOW can run things properly and efficiently. They did it before.
And by the way, under their leadership I do believe House Davion was a pretty good sucess.

Anyway, I think you can get my drift.
Something has to give, a happy medium needs to be met here.

By no means am I saying the people I dont know whould be bad leaders. What I am saying is there are people here that have led, have the tallent and know how. Maybee their knowledge could somehow be taught to the people wanting position.

I dont know the answer.
I dont want to see davion seperated

I DO know I WOULDNT touch leadership at that level with a 10' pole LOL
This game should be enjoyable for all.

Ahh well, maybee I made sense to some, maybee not. Sometimes ya just gotta close you eyes and realize what ya want aint the best thing for everybody.

{B}

[rollermint]

I used to think e-peen measuring contests are the domains of CoD forums and WoW gamers, both heavily populated by kids and teens. At least that's understandable.

But apparently, age has nothing to do with it. In fact, it makes it even more pathetic and lame.

How disappointing.

Edited by rollermint, 03 April 2012 - 06:38 PM.

[Dihm]

Wow, what just happened.

And here I thought we were making progress, at least LordRush and I where.

The Sniper, on 03 April 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

The central issues of CoC turned into a mud-slinging contest and has been derailed oh so long ago. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this thread in regards to the Davion CoC and not how a lone merc unit's voice shall be heard in this structure? The 'resident geriatrics' bravado is annoying I'm sure, especially when you have nothing to base our merit off of, but maybe you should take a step back and reconsider what many are interpreting as a "holier than thou" approach your unit is conveying. The existing establishment of House Davion, whether recognized by the game staff or not, has been attacked, criticized and placed under scrutiny so I'm exercising my right to come out and say there's one existing unit I'm going to get a thorough pleasure of meeting on the battlefield. So you sir Skoll, have a nice day, and have a bit more tact in choosing your words because some may not appreciate being spoken to in that manner.

So much for the friendly rivalry I thought we were building to, but it is good to see what your true feelings on the matter are.

As far as the "nothing to base your merit off of" business. This is MWO, this isn't 15 years ago. No one has any merits in the game yet. And you know what? It's a game, intended for fun. It really won't bother me if you guys are "better", because we'll be having our own fun and that's great for everyone involved.

As far as attacking the "existing establishment", that is exactly what is being discussed here, and the point that is being made that there IS NO existing establishment. There IS NO establishment in the game period, there isn't going to be one. What there WILL be it seems is a group within the faction who tries their best to set up a player alliance, but they don't represent the entire faction because they CAN'T due to the very nature of the game we'll be playing.

It seems that you consider people pointing out these facts as attacks.

You also seem to have taken what some of my men said in an unintended manner. It seemed that we were starting to get friendly in here, and you yourself said that you listed out your multitude of old accomplishments in order to help build our little rivalry. Well, it was responded to with some playful ribbing in return. Skoll may have been a bit over the line, but he does have a point, we had strayed a bit off topic and should likely have taken it to our recruitment threads or Outreach. If it is too much, that is fine, we'll stop and leave your unit be, we don't want you in a rage because that serves no purpose.

Especially since we don't plan to fight against Davion when the game actually launches. Who knows how the mechanics will function though.

A pity.

BobBagels, on 03 April 2012 - 05:50 PM, said:

Lots of stuff

I was going to respond, but it really seems more directed at the folks who aren't part of the "establishment". I will point out that a lot of what you spell out is exactly what seems to be ruffling feathers though, the sense that there is an attitude of "I've been around since XXXX so I'm entitled to special position and treatment." MWO is not any of those old games. It is a new beast that will be larger, perhaps even combined, than all of the previous Battletech online games and leagues. There will be LOTS of new blood, and people need to understand and get comfortable with that. And some of that "new" blood isn't actually all that new.

One specific thing I do want to address is this:

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But I dont think I wanna ask that stuff. Instead I think I wanna ask,
Why do you want to be house leaders and involved in the CoC so bad?
Do you guys think its a cake walk?

The point that I, at least, have been making all along, is that there is no House Leader or CoC within the context of MWO.

My feelings (apparently held by others who actually wear the Davion icon and aren't stupid merc scum to be looked down upon) on the matter seem to have been well understood by LordRush, and we were making progress, but then things went... south.

Edited by Dihm, 03 April 2012 - 07:17 PM.

[Meneiupptus]

See that is the point of the original thread... its not about posturing. Its about coordination. When you have players from other factions coming in and disrupting that all they do is remove the probability of the Davion units working togethor. Which is probably their goal.

Eve online proved that House units without leadership are ineffectual ... and in that respect Houses then become worthless. Battletech is about the Houses not the Mercs... always has been. This is a thread for House Davion to come togethor and work on their communications. I didn't see House liao and the FRR invited to be part of that although if they want to be part of the CoC all they have to do is change tags and join us Might as well guys since you like our Forums better than your own.

For the Record, and to get back on track... This thread is about a CoC which is made up of Davion players and units, it is voluntary and by no means mandatory, no one has claimed leadership at this time, plenty of leadership prospects exist. Chain of Command or Chain of Communications however you want to view it.

[Aedris Nova]

A strict Chain of Command is unrealistic. Every group of players forms their own Ad Hoc unit, they don't want to be assigned to a unit. Honestly, for MWO, we can have a discussion hall, but actually chain of command should not exist higher than Regiment level, preferably battalion.