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[Kensaisama]

Tha DoggFather, on 05 April 2012 - 05:22 AM, said:

If the wrong people are put into positions of "power" (such a funny word to use), then yes it won't work. But the same goes for a round table, if the wrong people are at the table, it'll still be a mess.

If some sort of CoC doesn't exist, I have a hard time believing this game will fill it's full potential. If it's just an "every group for themselves" mentality, I can't envision how in the world there will be any cohesion and effectiveness of the house. Instead of a spearheaded attack with a purpose, it'll be a bunch of a freelancing groups trying to "get theirs".

Again, the CoC doesn't need a prince, a master, a president, or whatever...it needs infrastructure to communicate and plan attacks and defenses. But someone, or someones (eek!), will rise to the top and help organize it, whether the game supports it or not. Will every unit and pilot cooperate? Of course not, but that's been the case in every game of this magnitude. People can play, or not play in this case, however they choose. It's their account. But the CoCesque idea will happen one way or the other on some scale, large or small. It's a logistical, and for a lot of us, roleplaying advantage IMHO.

Absolute power will corrupt absolutely

CoC or round table you are correct, if the wrong people are in that position you will have issues. However it is my opinion that a round table is the better choice over a CoC because you will still need one person to call the shots in a CoC, and you WILL have subordinates. Now I don't know about you but if I were in command of my own unit, I would much rather come to a round table and be equal to all present than be included in a CoC and be subordinate to someone I may not like. Thats just how I feel about it, however I am not in command of a unit so I don't have to worry about it, BUT, I have witnessed these very selfsame issues in other community style games and the round table idea always worked out better than an actual CoC. As for logistics and infrastructure (CoC), its already there in the individual units themselves, the decission making is done by a council of unit commanders (the round table), theirs your communication.

Kensai the wandering warrior

Edited by Kensaisama, 05 April 2012 - 06:04 AM.

[AdamBaines]

The Sniper, on 04 April 2012 - 03:22 PM, said:

As just an FYI for some of those saying that an in game CoC could not work and sorry for beating a dead horse, I just stumbled upon this: http://en.wikipedia....letech:_Solaris

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This is just an observation from an outsider who played the original MPBT on GEnie and it's later incarnation on AOL, so take it for what its worth. I have seen these same conversations on most of the other boards here; arguments over CoC and how it will work. I reflected on the quote above and what it was saying and pointing to: That a independent CoC can work outside of Dev control as it did in the past with the GEnie and AOL versions.

Yes GEnie worked this way and it was pretty cool. We had multiple house leaders and succession of leaders. It worked well at times and at others it was terrible with infighting and people taking their issues beyond the game. But overall it worked. The AOL version worked like this also, but it was less effective. I BELIEVE, my opinion, is that these worked relatively well like this because it had grown organically with the game. It was not pre determined before go live who was going to do what and how and why. People who came into "power" (for lack of a better word) were there because they had proven in the game that they could pilots a mech and they could organize people, or in many cases had high limits on their credit cards for late night co-ordination of an invation (all of you who played then will understand this ). People naturally looked to these people because of those things. It was ORGANIC.

What we have happening here in the MWO forums, for most of the Factions, is not organic at all. Without having a game to play yet, people are already taking their "roles" from other MW online games like Living Legends, MekTek and etc, and creating it here. And to many new players, or players who have not played in a long time, that does not seem right and/or fair. To them, its akin to a dictator coming in with his "guys", roughing people up and taking control or something which is really not theirs. I get this point of view, but I can understand that some, many of you guys here included, are primarily thinking for the good of your House and want to get a jump start on it all. To be ready go-live so you can be the best Faction Fighting force on here.

And on top of that, we really dont know how the factions are going to work out CoC wise until the Devs tell us more, or in reality, see it in action once we go-live. And so many people get frustrated and the spats begin between people who both really enjoy playing for the "House".

Ii think its worse here as the Fed Suns is one of the largest Factions here with probably the largest following. The wars seem to have ended on the other boards (never really started in the FRR. Who'd a thunk the Vikings would be the patient ones). In the end you all want to kick arse and take names, so it might be best to let this thread cool off until everyone knows more, and start to play the game.

Again just my opinion........

Edited by AdamBaines, 05 April 2012 - 07:17 AM.

[Pappy]

Thank you guys for the kind words about me and my unit. I been trying to say out of this, but I feel I should atleast give my opinion. You know what they say about opinions so take it as only that, an opinion.

We can scream and yell all we want. Old guard, new guard, right guard, it doesn't matter. We are all here because we have the same interest in a mechwarrior game. And yes I said game. We all are becoming the mwo guard, that is what is important. I have been around the block in bt and many other mmo based game. And I see this situation over and over. People fighting for power and the strife it causes ruin the game for them and others invoHlved or around the situation. I have also noticed that the ones usually wanting grand power are more worried about ego then actually making things fun and functional for their charges. This is the first time I have seen it in a game not even released. Before and coc should be discussed, all of us as davions should be focused forming strong bounds amongst our units and people. That was why i started the davion meet ups. We need to get to know each other as people, players, leaders before we can ever decide what or who should or what should be in charge. That is if any group or person should be. As a house how many here can name the units or players in our house, what their ideas are, what they enjoy or want I focus on. How many people here even talk to other house members outside their own units. These are what we need. If we want to succeed as a house and a group we need to be that, a family. No matter who believes they should run the show, if we are not a group that knows and works together, it will not matter. We are all davions and lets get in board. As far as a COC this is a later thought. If we can't even be friends we can not expect to fight as a house.

Sorry for the soap box ra ra speech. Salute to you all. And good fortunes for the davions

Col Glenn "Pappy" Wade
Co 1st Robinson Rangers

Edited by Pappy, 05 April 2012 - 07:37 AM.

[Pappy]

Sorry for any spelling errors or such. Hard typing this all out on an iPhone at work lol

[Kensaisama]

*steals the soapbox and runs off*

Kensai the wandering warrior

[Qin]

*places his rank insignia on his desk*
*signs his resignation letter*

Not going to write a long speech, not that good with words anyways.
But i thank all who have supported me over the years.

When beta comes ill be looking for a relaxed outfit in my timezone (GMT) which can use a extra mechwarrior.

[Meneiupptus]

Good deal. Pappy when is your next meeting?

[LordRush]

Qin, on 05 April 2012 - 09:24 AM, said:

*places his rank insignia on his desk*
*signs his resignation letter*

Not going to write a long speech, not that good with words anyways.
But i thank all who have supported me over the years.

When beta comes ill be looking for a relaxed outfit in my timezone (GMT) which can use a extra mechwarrior.

Resignation Denied...nuff said

[Eagle HH]

Uniting is good. I still believe some have shown their true colors and for me is nice because I will have some good targets when the game launches.

Either way, no matter how you look at it, new game does not mean start all over and from scratch. In some aspects yes but in many no. Sure you will make new friends but it does not mean you discard the ones you already have and it seems that was the biggest complaint on here, is that some guys already have a strong brotherhood. So what? Does that need to be called ego? No! and it shouldn't. Sure there will be new workings in the new game system but it does not mean you have to throw away your friends and your traditions. If you feel having a COC has no bearing on what we are to look forward to then why fight so hard about it? Why spend the negative energy for nothing? If you don't know if players will have any control then why fight so hard against something that will hold no power to it? If you feel that it is all pointless then WHY ARE YOU HERE? Or maybe there is hope and with that hope you just want to see that things go right! If you can get passed THAT you can get passed all the hot air that was blown around and you can get down to business.

Someone made a comment about having to do what you're told whether you like the guy or not (whoever is in charge) I thought it was funny. That's the military man, yes this is a game so we all want to play happy together but it's also about structuring armies. I refuse to play with anyone that is insubordinant to the common goal of winning. If you don't like who you play with we all have the same choice of finding those we do like to play with.

[LordRush]

Eagle_HH, on 05 April 2012 - 11:18 AM, said:

Uniting is good. I still believe some have shown their true colors and for me is nice because I will have some good targets when the game launches.

Either way, no matter how you look at it, new game does not mean start all over and from scratch. In some aspects yes but in many no. Sure you will make new friends but it does not mean you discard the ones you already have and it seems that was the biggest complaint on here, is that some guys already have a strong brotherhood. So what? Does that need to be called ego? No! and it shouldn't. Sure there will be new workings in the new game system but it does not mean you have to throw away your friends and your traditions. If you feel having a COC has no bearing on what we are to look forward to then why fight so hard about it? Why spend the negative energy for nothing? If you don't know if players will have any control then why fight so hard against something that will hold no power to it? If you feel that it is all pointless then WHY ARE YOU HERE? Or maybe there is hope and with that hope you just want to see that things go right! If you can get passed THAT you can get passed all the hot air that was blown around and you can get down to business.

Someone made a comment about having to do what you're told whether you like the guy or not (whoever is in charge) I thought it was funny. That's the military man, yes this is a game so we all want to play happy together but it's also about structuring armies. I refuse to play with anyone that is insubordinant to the common goal of winning. If you don't like who you play with we all have the same choice of finding those we do like to play with.

Well said Eagle. And with that said, I do believe there is work to be done. For me, there is no apparent end to the conflict. We gotta do what we gotta do, and likewise to the others. The path looks to be separated with no resolve. So..the only thing to do is prepare the best way we know how to.
It was suggested long ago to keep our communications dedicated to this forum.However, it is evident that no resolve can be made.
Therefore, I do believe we should keep this topic to the like minded,which, it is obvious that it is not welcome by the new guard.
I will not be posting on this thread for a looong time if at all. Personally, I'd like to invest my time developing my own unit and assist with the old guard in maintaining and strengthening our current system.
So..in final, Id just like to say that when our names and units are seen growing exponentially in this game in the months to come...Dont sit there and go "Wow, how is this happening" we already tried to tell you.
When the time comes that you find yourself in need of assistance...sure, we will help you if it is for the benefit of the House. Otherwise :
"Thumbs nose up"...Your on your own. I'm done

Edited by LordRush, 05 April 2012 - 11:45 AM.

[xMarshallx]

LordRush, on 05 April 2012 - 11:44 AM, said:

Well said Eagle. And with that said, I do believe there is work to be done. For me, there is no apparent end to the conflict. We gotta do what we gotta do, and likewise to the others. The path looks to be separated with no resolve. So..the only thing to do is prepare the best way we know how to.
It was suggested long ago to keep our communications dedicated to this forum.However, it is evident that no resolve can be made.
Therefore, I do believe we should keep this topic to the like minded,which, it is obvious that it is not welcome by the new guard.
I will not be posting on this thread for a looong time if at all. Personally, I'd like to invest my time developing my own unit and assist with the old guard in maintaining and strengthening our current system.
So..in final, Id just like to say that when our names and units are seen growing exponentially in this game in the months to come...Dont sit there and go "Wow, how is this happening" we already tried to tell you.
When the time comes that you find yourself in need of assistance...sure, we will help you if it is for the benefit of the House. Otherwise :
"Thumbs nose up"...Your on your own. I'm done

This is for you, the rest of Scorpions, Eagle and all other old timers from MPBT. The intent of the rebirth of DRAAGUN was to bring together a lot of folks because I had a sneaking suspicion this scenario would transpire. We are talking going from 5k active members in Solaris to 100k+ here (and hopefully more). I am cordially inviting all of you to join forces with us so we can enjoy something we once had since it appears house CoC cannot exist, which many of us "old guard" feel is needed and we can make a single merc unit that will rival any of the houses.. as long as there are not limitations on the merc units. I will not be offended if you choose not to, but the offer exists to the Scorps and all other MPBT units who are struggling to find their way here.

[Jack Gallows]

LordRush, on 05 April 2012 - 11:44 AM, said:

So..in final, Id just like to say that when our names and units are seen growing exponentially in this game in the months to come...Dont sit there and go "Wow, how is this happening" we already tried to tell you.
When the time comes that you find yourself in need of assistance...sure, we will help you if it is for the benefit of the House. Otherwise :
"Thumbs nose up"...Your on your own. I'm done

I think you've greatly missed the point.

But, good luck and have fun in MW:O. That goes for every single person here.

Edited by Jack Gallows, 05 April 2012 - 05:03 PM.

[Meneiupptus]

Nothing worth doing was ever easy, nothing gained easy was ever meaningful...

I appreciate the offer but I'm Davion. I also love Battletech always have since the fist booklet opened. I won't be merc or even conform to the idea of Merc groups being the primary focus of MWO. But thank you for the offer

I will stay and work on the CoC guys. Those that don't think it will work I understand. My Lance is in it for Davion to win and I'll keep slogging allong till we pull togethor.

[Codius Dakanius]

Agreed. We are sons of the Federated Suns and we fight for Prince Davion.

[Fomorian]

Wow my head hurts after reading the last five pages of this thread. I can only offer this advice which is give the game a chance first. See how it plays then if there truly is a need for a CoC structure of some sort then we as a group of players can reopen this issue if it even will be an issue.

But keep in mind this is a game after all. I have enough headaches in real life to know I don't want to add to them in a game I play to relax and have fun.

Edited by Fomorian, 06 April 2012 - 07:55 AM.

[Codius Dakanius]

Agreed... Forum LARP'ing aside. we should have very relaxed system, if we are even able to have a CoC it should not be higher than battalion level, but we must keep in contact as a house so we can ensure our battle records are collected together as a faction.

If we can do a Faction Conquest then we can have a ELECTED group of high level commanders to decide (read Vote) what would be the best order of battle.

But we need to be organized to a point since the Clans are coming and we will see a massive majority of players move to the Clans, both for tech and lore. we will need to keep organized and have at least a game plan.

The Federated Suns must prevail.

Edited by Codius Dakanius, 06 April 2012 - 07:01 PM.

[Buzz43]

Hello all. Some of you know me and some of you do not. I stand ready to offer my services to House Davion in any way possible.

I played some NBT HC stuff, ISW, and MWLL. It is good to see all the familiar names as I page through this.

I agree with Fomorian. Wait and see what info comes out and address it then.

[Meneiupptus]

Waiting is all we are doing, how long will you all wait? Until your House' enemys are working togethor and attacking you? Until the Beta starts and no one knows each other... or cares to. Who cares about how the game is played... This Chain of Communication is to bring us all togethor so we can talk and coordinate if that is what you all want. The Chain of Command is not a slave collar to be worn by those who serve.. its a tool for social interaction.

I intend to use it. I intend to speak to anyone and everyone who wants to and I encourage anyone who are Guild/Unit/Lance leaders to contact me. Don't know when Pappy's next meeting is but when it is lets talk.

[Blacksunshine]

<S> All

Okay I have a list of demands (figure I need these to post in this topic)

1. The bar in the -SF- barracks is empty. Do not blame me, X-men let me in and gave me a key to the bar.
2. The heat must imdediatly be turned on in said bar.
3. After the bar is restocked and the heat back on, I require that someone point me in the general direction of the mech bay

end of demands

Its good to see a lot of famliar names, hopefully something comes of all of this soon.

[BlackPhoenix01]

(Shakes Head) @ the Charlie Foxtrot from the last 20 pages.

Looking foward to working and talking to players from other units.