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[CaveMan]

Trying to figure out what the internal structure values for each chassis are (how much damage a section can take after its armor is destroyed).

In BattleTech, it's normally half the maximum amount of armor points in a location. But in MWO it seems to be considerably more than this. IE, hitting a Raven with 5 medium pulse lasers in the leg twice should chew the leg clean off, but that doesn't happen.

Anyone have answers on this one?

[Elyam]

I don't know for certain, but I expect they doubled the values as they did the armor to make up for the fact that MWO allows pure crosshair targeting of all direct-fire weapons.

[3rdworld]

Doubled armor & IS. Heads are actually more, I believe they are 18 armor and 16 IS. The rest should just be half of the max armor value.

A Atlas CT can hold 124 armor, I usually run with 104 in the front. That means to core my atlas from the front you need to do 166 damage to my front CT to kill me. (though I actually think you need to do 1 point over to actually kill the mech, we have all seen mechs with completely black CTs still running around).

A Ravens leg at max can have 32 armor and 16 IS, meaning at max armor it takes 48 dmg to leg one.

[CaveMan]

3rdworld, on 31 October 2012 - 08:48 AM, said:

A Ravens leg at max can have 32 armor and 16 IS, meaning at max armor it takes 48 dmg to leg one.

That's what my math said should be the case, but 5 MPL is 30 damage (with a direct hit, not sweeping across the location, the target was standing still), so hitting twice should be 60 and the leg should come off. But I've had that not happen.

I've also shot an Awesome in the head for close to 40 damage before without killing it, too.

Could there be some kind of damage reduction multiplier on certain locations? Or is the netcode just buggy enough that even when I see weapons hit, they don't actually hit?

[nungunz]

I'm guessing it's an issue with the hits not registering correctly. It's been a HUGE problem recently.

[3rdworld]

CaveMan, on 01 November 2012 - 06:22 AM, said:

That's what my math said should be the case, but 5 MPL is 30 damage (with a direct hit, not sweeping across the location, the target was standing still), so hitting twice should be 60 and the leg should come off. But I've had that not happen.

I've also shot an Awesome in the head for close to 40 damage before without killing it, too.

Could there be some kind of damage reduction multiplier on certain locations? Or is the netcode just buggy enough that even when I see weapons hit, they don't actually hit?

Netcode. I have shot a powered down mech right in the CT with a AC/20 and not had anything register. The code is just buggy right now.

[Felicitatem Parco]

I have been told that Internal Structure values were not doubled along with armor... but my gameplay experience demonstrates that it takes more than 30dmg to cockpit someone, and cockpits should have 18 armor (doubled) and just 3 I.S. points (not doubled)... and 30dmg would kill you in that situation.. so I can't be sure if IS was doubled or not.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 01 November 2012 - 10:06 AM.

[MustrumRidcully]

Prosperity Park, on 01 November 2012 - 10:05 AM, said:

I have been told that Internal Structure values were not doubled along with armor... but my gameplay experience demonstrates that it takes more than 30dmg to cockpit someone, and cockpits should have 18 armor (doubled) and just 3 I.S. points (not doubled)... and 30dmg would kill you in that situation.. so I can't be sure if IS was doubled or not.

It seems this is still a topic with no known answer. I presume the stats can't be found in the itemstats.xml or similar files...

EDIT: There is a post by Bryan Ekman in the archive that seems to suggest it's twice internal and double armour. But it's from May, it could be obsolete. But I would now erring on assuming both values have been doubled.

Edited by MustrumRidcully, 22 January 2013 - 09:05 AM.

[Broceratops]

i can tell you from experience that shooting someone in the head with 2 gauss will put them at deep red and then a ML will kill them.

So we're looking at at a value that is pretty close to the armor value itself, since assuming 18 head armor we have to do around 36 damage to blow out a cockpit. Now whether this varies from part to part as has been suggested would take some testing, but it doesn't feel like internals = max armor is way off. keep in mind people have ammo and crap in their arms/torsos sometimes, so it might seem like there are less internals whereas really its just some ammo cooking off.

One thing to support this feeling is that I have tested what happens to ammo in the arm when the connect torso is blown off. The arm ammo will magically transfer through the now destroyed torso to the CT, unless there was CASE. So because people with more than 4T ammo will have to put some on the arms, this accounts for more damage than you'd think in certain ammo heavy builds that can't empty it in time.

[Koniving]

Listen to NGNG 79, 32 minutes to 40. Russ says the structure values were doubled without realizing it, and so when they told us only armor was doubled we were left with the impression that only armor was.