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[Desecrator]

It boggles me to see so many people think this is beta.

They use the word beta to justify bugs, unfinished gameplay and features, and rush to release because they need to bring in money to make the investors happy

Someone pushed them to release the game, but it wasn't ready, so they came up with a phoney beta with no wipe, and yes we'll take your money thank you.

Beta is a testing phase.
Beta does not let you buy time with real cash.
Beta wipes everything, because people are testing. You cant test anything without wipes
because people wont buy and test the crazy stuff. Real money is at stake

You really believe this is beta ?
Go, go PT Barnum.


The bad part is, they take money from people and let them get pugstomped into the ground with trial mechs. Gonna lose paying customers like that. Genius

[Alfred VonGunn]

The crazy stuff was during Closed Beta.. and a lot of us will still do crazy stuff now.. because not every gamer is a Stat W h o r e some of us just do this for fun..

[Kinilan]

Desecrator, on 30 October 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

The bad part is, they take money from people and let them get pugstomped into the ground with trial mechs. Gonna lose paying customers like that. Genius

...why would a paying customer be in a trial?

[Overlord Klein]

Quick! Someone tell the devs! They have classified the software they created incorrectly! They must be properly informed!
Surely Desecrator here knows whats really going on, not this silly professional software development company!

Thank you kind citizen! You're doing great work, keep it up!

[Soulgorger]

Desecrator, on 30 October 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

The bad part is, they take money from people and let them get pugstomped into the ground with trial mechs. Gonna lose paying customers like that. Genius

What paying customers? The game is free to play.

[TheUnfortunate1]

Overlord Klein, on 30 October 2012 - 01:26 PM, said:

Quick! Someone tell the devs! They have classified the software they created incorrectly! They must be properly informed!
Surely Desecrator here knows whats really going on, not this silly professional software development company!

Thank you kind citizen! You're doing great work, keep it up!

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Edited by TheUnfortunate1, 30 October 2012 - 01:37 PM.

[AlexEss]

Would it be better if the pretended that the game was done and called it release...? Now at least people can make a informed decision if they want to invest in a product that is not done yet.

Compare this to most Kinect titles for an example... also buggy half complete products but they were sold at full price as finished products... By using the open beta tag PGI are at least honest.

[Beo Vulf]

Soulgorger, on 30 October 2012 - 01:26 PM, said:

What paying customers? The game is free to play.

Like Soulgorger said and while we are on the subject. There are no wipes? gee than weres my 20k cbills? How come my founders time reset? What happened to the mechs I purchased with the cbills I won? What happened to all those nice shinneys I purchased with those cbills to put on my mech? THE DEVS WIPED THEM!

[MustrumRidcully]

I dunno, there are still plenty of balance issues and performance issues. Feels like a Beta to me

So it's kinda the best of both worlds!

Edited by MustrumRidcully, 30 October 2012 - 01:42 PM.

[AlexEss]

Beo Vulf, on 30 October 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:

Like Soulgorger said and while we are on the subject. There are no wipes? gee than weres my 20k cbills? How come my founders time reset? What happened to the mechs I purchased with the cbills I won? What happened to all those nice shinneys I purchased with those cbills to put on my mech? THE DEVS WIPED THEM!

It was always stated that there would be a wipe before they went to open beta. But unless something breaks beyond repair there should be no further wipes (unlike some games that make one more wipe before release)

[Vassago Rain]

This is alpha at best.

[Gramrock]

yeah almost everyone in the closed told them to delay the open beta but... u see what they meant to them ^^

[Aegis Kleais]

Desecrator, on 30 October 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

It boggles me to see so many people think this is beta.

They use the word beta to justify bugs, unfinished gameplay and features, and rush to release because they need to bring in money to make the investors happy

Someone pushed them to release the game, but it wasn't ready, so they came up with a phoney beta with no wipe, and yes we'll take your money thank you.

Beta is a testing phase.
Beta does not let you buy time with real cash.
Beta wipes everything, because people are testing. You cant test anything without wipes
because people wont buy and test the crazy stuff. Real money is at stake

You really believe this is beta ?
Go, go PT Barnum.


The bad part is, they take money from people and let them get pugstomped into the ground with trial mechs. Gonna lose paying customers like that. Genius

You misheard; it's Free to PLAY, not Free to PAY. Nobody is forcing money from users. You can play the game and opt to pay if/when you feel that it's warranted.

In the event that PGI was forced to release the game, then that's a command decision, and if it was invoked by the publisher, then it's what the developer has to do. There was a large concern over the closed Beta players that the public would have the response you're exhibiting right now, but the bottom line is that it's Open BETA, and nobody is forcing you to pay them a thing.

[Dagger6T6]

[darthJaeger]

Vassago Rain, on 30 October 2012 - 01:42 PM, said:

This is alpha at best.

Nah, Alpha, is internal review. This is external, thus Beta.

[SuomiWarder]

The defintion of "beta" has become fluid with the advent of free to play MMOs. Maybe a new term will rise eventually. "Pre-Final Phase", "Early Modification Phase", "Gamma public opening", or whatever.

Better to call it open Beta and admit that things need tweaking and adding than call it "Final Release" as a fib. And they can't stay 'closed beta' forever.

[Adridos]

It doesn't matter if it's called a beta, an alpha, kapa, gama, omicron, omega, or whatever other name you can come up for it.

Are there gonna be changes and fixes? I'm sure there will and that is the only thing that matters.

[Lin Shai]

Beo Vulf, on 30 October 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:

Like Soulgorger said and while we are on the subject. There are no wipes? gee than weres my 20k cbills? How come my founders time reset? What happened to the mechs I purchased with the cbills I won? What happened to all those nice shinneys I purchased with those cbills to put on my mech? THE DEVS WIPED THEM!

Your inability to read really doesn't have a bearing on anything.

For months they've been telling you as a founder and a closed beta tester that at open beta there was a final reset.

They did this in email, in forums posts, in blogs ... you pretty much had to go out of your way not to know this.

If you didn't care for that, you shouldn't have participated in the closed beta, instead waiting for open beta when your founder's perks would be final.

[Lin Shai]

SuomiWarder, on 30 October 2012 - 01:49 PM, said:

The defintion of "beta" has become fluid with the advent of free to play MMOs. Maybe a new term will rise eventually. "Pre-Final Phase", "Early Modification Phase", "Gamma public opening", or whatever.

Exactly. I personally am not actually a fan of this whole "Free to play" business model at all.

However, this is the way the industry has gone because they figured out there was more money in it and they could get games to market faster. This closed beta -> open beta -> "release" paradigm has become common, along with crowd sourcing of funding.

It's basically a "don't hate the playa hate the game" situation. Tinker and Smith couldn't get funding for a MechWarrior 5 retail game (no interest from publishers or VC) ... so this is what we have.

Edited by Lin Shai, 30 October 2012 - 01:57 PM.

[Zero Neutral]

Desecrator, on 30 October 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

It boggles me to see so many people think this is beta.

They use the word beta to justify bugs, unfinished gameplay and features, and rush to release because they need to bring in money to make the investors happy

Someone pushed them to release the game, but it wasn't ready, so they came up with a phoney beta with no wipe, and yes we'll take your money thank you.

Beta is a testing phase.
Beta does not let you buy time with real cash.
Beta wipes everything, because people are testing. You cant test anything without wipes
because people wont buy and test the crazy stuff. Real money is at stake

You really believe this is beta ?
Go, go PT Barnum.


The bad part is, they take money from people and let them get pugstomped into the ground with trial mechs. Gonna lose paying customers like that. Genius

Some up-start games require payment for access to Beta... Beta has nothing to do with anything but the current state of the game.

Your argument is invalid because if, 'they,' take money from someone then obviously that person will not be getting pubstomped with a trial mech since they can afford a mech of their own.

Your crying, please end it.