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[renahzor]

PGI has put some changes up for the suicide farming "problem", as most of us knew it will bandaid the problem instead of fixing the real root problem of a broken trial mech system, rewards for performance out of line with win/loss numbers, and a host of other issues causing this behavior.

In addition in the thread posted here: http://mwomercs.com/.../66088-farming/

Bryan clearly states that dying early in a match to attempt to gain cbills is against the TOS. So all I need to know, is where do I report people for dying before the match ends? Obviously we cannot determine the intent of an individual who died, but I think anyone dying within the first 5 or so minutes of a match is clearly exploiting the system by earning cbills faster than intended, or rather, faster than me if I'm still alive.

[Joseph Mallan]

Careful Sir. I have been swarmed and killed quite quickly. The way to know a player is suiciding would be that they run up to you and just stop. Even then, I know I myself will accept the inevitable when I have been swarmed and am being shredded. So you need to apply some discretion when/if you are turning someone in.

Oh and don't forget the 4 frame per second death by slow motion.

[AllGamer]

i've been in a few match were some players intentionally strips their mechs of all armors, just so they can run out and get shot down on the 1st hit

[renahzor]

Joseph Mallan, on 31 October 2012 - 10:10 AM, said:

Careful Sir. I have been swarmed and killed quite quickly. The way to know a player is suiciding would be that they run up to you and just stop. Even then, I know I myself will accept the inevitable when I have been swarmed and am being shredded. So you need to apply some discretion when/if you are turning someone in.

Oh and don't forget the 4 frame per second death by slow motion.

Since we cannot judge what a player was doing or more importantly why, all of these would fall under TOS violation if done, so I don't see an issue with reporting people for doing it.

[WarPickle]

What about a legitimate scout who comes across the enemies scout but dies quickly due to LRM spam?? Just because you die in the first 5 minutes doesn't mean you're farming.

[Joseph Mallan]

AllGamer, on 31 October 2012 - 10:12 AM, said:

i've been in a few match were some players intentionally strips their mechs of all armors, just so they can run out and get shot down on the 1st hit

This was a known bug that happened just last month. Dying in battle was the only way to clear the issue. I haven't seen this happening since the last patch.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

Fine. I'm not suicide farming. I just like running with 2 Small Lasers and no armor.

AllGamer, on 31 October 2012 - 10:12 AM, said:

i've been in a few match were some players intentionally strips their mechs of all armors, just so they can run out and get shot down on the 1st hit

No stuff means smaller repair bill.

[Redshift2k5]

Bryan is saying thye are removing gains from people disconnecting early in a match, not dying early in a match.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

BasicInfantry, on 31 October 2012 - 10:13 AM, said:

What about a legitimate scout who comes across the enemies scout but dies quickly due to LRM spam?? Just because you die in the first 5 minutes doesn't mean you're farming.

What about 1min 25s?

[renahzor]

BasicInfantry, on 31 October 2012 - 10:13 AM, said:

What about a legitimate scout who comes across the enemies scout but dies quickly due to LRM spam?? Just because you die in the first 5 minutes doesn't mean you're farming.

Stop playing poorly or get banned? I don't make the rules.

Redshift2k5, on 31 October 2012 - 10:14 AM, said:

Bryan is saying thye are removing gains from people disconnecting early in a match, not dying early in a match.

Then why was it in a now locked post discussing suicide farming and changes that could be made therein

[Joseph Mallan]

renahzor, on 31 October 2012 - 10:13 AM, said:

Since we cannot judge what a player was doing or more importantly why, all of these would fall under TOS violation if done, so I don't see an issue with reporting people for doing it.

The only one that is in violation of ToS is the Run up and stop. the rest are game failures. Again be sure you know what you are reporting. It is not violating ToS to have frame rate lag sir.

[SteelPaladin]

renahzor, on 31 October 2012 - 10:15 AM, said:

Stop playing poorly or get banned? I don't make the rules.



Then why was it in a now locked post discussing suicide farming and changes that could be made therein

If they start banning people for sucking, this is going to be a really small community really fast

[renahzor]

Cochise, on 31 October 2012 - 10:16 AM, said:

This broken image is more meta than I can handle.

[Cochise]

renahzor, on 31 October 2012 - 10:18 AM, said:

This image has more truth than I can handle.

Fixed it for you

[renahzor]

Cochise, on 31 October 2012 - 10:20 AM, said:

Fixed it for you

Irony isn't your strong suit. Maybe I'll explain it later. In the mean time clear your cookies.

[Aaron DeChavilier]

seriously? dying quickly is against the ToS? please cite the exact phrase. I want to know how much I can laugh at this game, and tell people not to play it.

[Vermaxx]

The obvious stuff is not in question, the judgement call stuff IS.

I'm not spamming, I want a concrete answer: WILL PGI punish people for questionable behavior? If you rush the enemy and get dead, can you be banned? I think if the answer is yes, it will change how many lights we see.

I've been cut off and erased, I've powered down when I was the last one getting hammered; but I've also stripped armor, and I've intentionally charged an entire enemy team. I've also made beta threads showing what did and didn't pay you for your efforts in an attempt to show people what exactly was 'forbidden.' PRESENTLY, dying to any type of heat explosion or damage inflicted is 'paid' as a legitimate death.

There would be no question in my mind or anyone else's if the locked thread did not contain the term "macro player" and instead explicitly called suicidal charges a violation. Because nothing in that thread mentions the circumstance of being personally involved in your own demise. It mentions "churning" out matches, and "macro" use, and intentional disconnects. If charging the enemy is just as bad, we should know that so people can start reporting it and PGI can start dealing with a glut of judgement calls.

[Dagger906]

Redshift2k5, on 31 October 2012 - 10:14 AM, said:

Bryan is saying thye are removing gains from people disconnecting early in a match, not dying early in a match.

This is a problem: Are they going to coerce you to watch other ppl play the whole game? If I want that, I'll go watch TV. This is a dealbreaker for a game.

[renahzor]

Aaron DeChavilier, on 31 October 2012 - 10:23 AM, said:

seriously? dying quickly is against the ToS? please cite the exact phrase. I want to know how much I can laugh at this game, and tell people not to play it.

The post I linked above has been linked to pretty much all threads discussing "abuse" of the suicide mechanic to gain more cbills than intended. Extrapolating, dying quickly is indeed against the TOS if you're doing it to gain cbills quickly. Since we cannot diagnose intent, only the results, I'm curious as to where to send names for investigation when they die early.

[Purplefluffybunny]

Before they start wielding the ban hammer they are going to have to state explicitly and in unambiguous terms what their rule set is.

"oh whats that, we have a god mode button, alt-f4, but if we use it, it will be considered an exploit and we will be banned? Pray tell, why have that button there then?"