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[Fojji]

Just want to throw this little gem out there. One team is an 8man premade with 3 Atlas who just faceroll run into your base. Your team is a bunch of pugs in trials with only 2 people using custom mechs. There is a 0% chance of winning and it that would be fine if the game itself resembled anything of a skillful match. Instead its just one team full of Atlas facerolling into a base and theres nothing a group of trials can do to stop it. This isn't a QQ thread, but more of an informational one. The one game mode in place needs major work in order to prevent dull and boring games like this from occurring. A simple timer that prevents base capping for the first, lets say 3 minutes, would help deter this. With a timer implemented if a group decided to faceroll and just sit on the base they would be sitting ducks for LRMs until the timer came up. This would promote healthy game play that both sides could enjoy even if the teams were lopsided. As a bonus it would stop games where two teams go separate ways which turns into a base race. Again, an occurrence that is not fun for anyone involved. Thanks for listening to my rant, just wanted to get this out there and hope some intelligent conversation can be brought from it if anything.

Edited by Fojji, 01 November 2012 - 12:54 PM.

[Dagnome]

There's 0% chance of winning but 100% chance of you whining.

Nov 6th they are implementing the 4 group premade matchmaking where it will be 4 premades w/ 4 pugs vs the same.

Quit crying and just wait it out 5 days, and please dont make any more threads about your poor sportsmanship.

[Kell Commander]

Sometime you get some bad matchups and it sucks. The matchmaking is one of the things they are working to improve so it hopefully won't happen as often.

[Kriegs]

Heres a bit more Constructive post other then "suck it up newb"

http://mwomercs.com/...79-matchmaking/

and check this forum:

http://mwomercs.com/...-command-chair/

[Dagnome]

I didnt say suck it up i just said quit QQ'ing and read the forums... kinda. Can we just close this thread already mods?

Edited by Dagnome, 01 November 2012 - 01:03 PM.

[Fojji]

Dagnome, on 01 November 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

There's 0% chance of winning but 100% chance of you whining.

Nov 6th they are implementing the 4 group premade matchmaking where it will be 4 premades w/ 4 pugs vs the same.

Quit crying and just wait it out 5 days, and please dont make any more threads about your poor sportsmanship.

People like you are why people can't get their friends to get into playing this amazing game. This was not whining in the slightest, but more of a constructive post pointing out a flaw in the game. Also, its not nice to say someone has poor sportsmanship when you have never played a game with them. I try and say "GG WP" after every game I am in, and I done so since my Quake days. In the future try and be nicer to the people around you as it will help you out in life.

[Dagnome]

Fojji, on 01 November 2012 - 01:05 PM, said:

People like you are why people can't get their friends to get into playing this amazing game. This was not whining in the slightest, but more of a constructive post pointing out a flaw in the game. Also, its not nice to say someone has poor sportsmanship when you have never played a game with them. I try and say "GG WP" after every game I am in, and I done so since my Quake days. In the future try and be nicer to the people around you as it will help you out in life.

I dont need life advice from you.

You need to remember some of us have been around for 5+ months in this game and to us seeing someone "justify" how impossible games are for pugs is simply whining about losing because they wont group up with people in a team oriente3d game. If you were expecting a fast paced FPS mech game go play Hawken, this game requires more brains than bronze.

[Fojji]

Dagnome, on 01 November 2012 - 01:08 PM, said:

I dont need life advice from you.

You need to remember some of us have been around for 5+ months in this game and to us seeing someone "justify" how impossible games are for pugs is simply whining about losing because they wont group up with people in a team oriente3d game. If you were expecting a fast paced FPS mech game go play Hawken, this game requires more brains than bronze.

If you could actually understand my original post you would see that what I presented would make for slower more strategic games. This would present more opportunities for teams to fully utilize their communication in a tactical manner. Insulting people is no way to articulate your point and will only earn you disdain from your peers.

[RedHairDave]

you do realise that you only run into a premade 1 in 10 games right. devs confirmed. this has more to do with puggers playing terribly on average and not understanding the game. this likely includes you. not an insult. may of us ahve been playing for months now, you cant expect to beat vets when your new to the game. its possible you are losing so much as you misunderstand some aspect of the game, its nothing like any other game i ahve played. its not WOT and if you play that way you will lose alot.

if you want help, hop into the free ts server, and go to the training help noobs place.

go join any group, talk to people, they can set ya straight and likely massively improve your game play experience.

[Fojji]

RedHairDave, on 01 November 2012 - 01:18 PM, said:

you do realise that you only run into a premade 1 in 10 games right. devs confirmed. this has more to do with puggers playing terribly on average and not understanding the game. this likely includes you. not an insult. may of us ahve been playing for months now, you cant expect to beat vets when your new to the game. its possible you are losing so much as you misunderstand some aspect of the game, its nothing like any other game i ahve played. its not WOT and if you play that way you will lose alot.

if you want help, hop into the free ts server, and go to the training help noobs place.

go join any group, talk to people, they can set ya straight and likely massively improve your game play experience.

Inferring someone is a noob from the simple fact that they are not a founder is as close to racism as you can get. I have been playing MWO for a good month and Mechwarrior since my dad showed me Mechwarrior 2 as a kid. This isn't about people playing poorly but more so making the game more tactical and enjoyable for everyone. No one can say they enjoy games that involve base races.

[Dagger906]

Dagnome, on 01 November 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

There's 0% chance of winning but 100% chance of you whining.

Nov 6th they are implementing the 4 group premade matchmaking where it will be 4 premades w/ 4 pugs vs the same.

Quit crying and just wait it out 5 days, and please dont make any more threads about your poor sportsmanship.

And then the 4 Atlas will roll your 6 trials in 4 instead of 3 minutes.

[Aaron DeChavilier]

Dagnome, on 01 November 2012 - 01:08 PM, said:

I dont need life advice from you.

You need to remember some of us have been around for 5+ months in this game and to us seeing someone "justify" how impossible games are for pugs is simply whining about losing because they wont group up with people in a team oriente3d game. If you were expecting a fast paced FPS mech game go play Hawken, this game requires more brains than bronze.

oh sod off. I've also been around for 5+ months, what does that make me? is that supposed to mean something? a flawed matchmaker is a flawed matchmaker, and a player experiencing a flawed matchmaker has every right to complain. For 5+months I've had deal with your types, the elitist idiots who think this game is solely for them, why not lighten up and let people complain? contributing to this post only makes it more visible on the main page, which you don't seem to like so why post at all?

and players here wonder why no one is flocking over to this game, the community is atrocious.

"more brains than bronze."
its more brains than BRAWN.

Edited by Aaron DeChavilier, 01 November 2012 - 02:04 PM.

[Strahd1]

Our unit can load up in trials and still faceroll 9 out of 10 matches. It's not about founders or trials. In this game, teamwork takes precedence over mech customization, teamspeak, skill, starting positions, luck, and every other reason people come up with for why teams are unbalanced. This is why premades will dominate pugs. As long as a pug team has someone that will afk, disconnect, run lone wolf, spread out, fail to focus fire, goof off, etc., they will fail to win.

When premades are limited to 4 people, we will still have a distinct advantage. If all you do is run in pugs then you can expect to get rolled by your opponents. If you think that by dumping pug groups into a voice chat that it will somehow automagically grant them teamwork, I would have to disagree. People that currently use voice chat are there because they want to be there. We have all seen the text rage chats in game, having the same idiocy come over my speakers would be even less appealing.

[RAM]

Fojji, on 01 November 2012 - 12:54 PM, said:

This isn't a QQ thread, but more of an informational one.

It is pretty much the definition of a QQ thread. Closing due to official response:

Bryan Ekman, on 30 October 2012 - 03:56 PM, said:

Phase 1: November 6th

Pre-made groups will be limited to a max of 4 players when playing in random public forums. This is a quick fix to ease the PUG vs PRE issues. We do not consider this a final, nor complete fix to matchmaking.

Phase 2: November 20th

Pre-Made groups will be able to match against other pre-made groups.

• Min group size: 4 players
  
• Max group size: 8 players
  
• Class Matching: No
  
• Uneven Teams: Yes

Phase 3: December TBD



Full implementation of our modified ELO matchmaking solution. Details forthcoming.

Cheers!


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