31 replies to this topic

[Krivvan]

Hauser, on 02 November 2012 - 04:04 AM, said:

I think you have a misconception about premades. Most premades I see on Teamspeak are infact just people playing a pickup game. They are not dropping with a clan or any organized units. People form groups with the other people in looking for group. They're just people interested in cooperation and coordination. Now I don't know how your are disabled, but I reckon people can find a way around.

Go have a look at Comstar EU or NA.

http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__1215853

Indeed, the vast majority of premades aren't people playing competitively and aren't people who knew each other prior to making that premade group. Additionally, those premade groups don't usually last more than a couple of games before changing. The corps and such that make organized groups are much rarer.

[Joseph Mallan]

Mack1, on 02 November 2012 - 03:53 AM, said:

Don't believe the ******** about them wanting Premade v Premade, there was a clan on here last night +SJR+ Dale streaming his supposedly helpful program to help new players. It consisted of him and his clan stomping Pug's in their Gauss Kats while taking the **** out of them. They tried to deny it but I saw it myself, it was pathetic tbh and it's this behaviour that is ruining the game for new players. The sooner Premades fight Premades the better, then new players may hang around a bit longer.

Of course when talking amonst friends people are going to brag an talk boastfully. You act as if you don't do it yourself EVER. Spare us the "rightious Indignation" It's unbecoming of a gamer. Talking smack is a time honored tradition. If you think SJR is bad you would be down right offended by the teamspeak of Murphy's Law. A team made up of men (and women) Who have served in the military and actually had to kill people! Your unborn grandkids will blush due to some of the things we say in FUN. The funny part is, when I was a "Professional Killer" in the Marine Corps we talked so much smack we would be in prison today with how easily people are offended.

So chill out. PUGs are beat by Teams, I know I PUGged for almost a month. I took my beating with a grain of salt cause I knew that teams beat groups more often than not. If people playing a game can't recognize this... [READCTED][READCTED][READCTED][READCTED] [READCTED][READCTED][READCTED][READCTED]

[Digital Ninja]

Adridos, on 02 November 2012 - 04:00 AM, said:

Because you have the option to simply drop the TS and play with your friends without any real advantage, to put it: a premade pug. Calling of targets, plan explaining mid-game and preorganised setup of mechs would be down and you would be on the same ground as pugs.

Noone does it (I know only about 1 fool who rather plays pug than to have an advantage), because deeply within, this type of play suits you.

There's a difference between playing in the same team as someone and playing with them. Playing with someone involves cooperation. You sound like a woman demanding me to put the toilet seat down despite being just as capable of changing its position as I am. The world doesn't revolve around you. If you don't want to change how you play to rise to our level, why would we want to change how we play to sink to your level? Plus we kinda like hanging out while we fight and it's hard to aim and type at the same time.

Edited by Digital Ninja, 02 November 2012 - 04:17 AM.

[Ghosth]

There is a huge difference in an organized House group/Merc corp and 8 guys who decide to team up on the TS server.

I have yet to ever see informal groups on the TS server all run a single build, or even a single mech.
Most don't trash talk, most would rather be able to play group vs group.

Now once you get into the formal clans/houses the rules change drastically depending on the leadership of that group.
Running all the same build, 8 atlas's doing slow walk to enemy cap without firing.
Smack talk, alt F3-f5 for hud color jokes, you name it you see it all, but it does depend on the group, their aims, and especially their leadership.

Pugs seem to want to tar all the pre-mades with the same brush, and that is not fair.


PGI if your listening, give us a lobby, let us choose our opposition. Do a separate matchmaker for solo players.
So if your truly a solo player you would see only solo players.

If and when we get this, the pre-made groups are going to be happy. And the Pugs are still going to find themselves getting stomped. And they won't have anyone to complain about.

[Wreckus]

Kraita, on 02 November 2012 - 04:04 AM, said:

I play in premades and yes I want to play against other premades for the challenge and for fun.

However since we already know they are working on it I don't see the point in the whining about something they are already doing. I find it annoying when people go on about something I'm already doing to me so I don't do it to others.

This.

Premade vs PUG is pretty boring for the premade... I enjoy the rare premade v premade matches far more than pubstomping, even when we lose.

Also, PUG vs Premade isn't a common thing in solo drops. Maybe 1 in 10 solo drops will be against a premade, it isn't as game ruining as people are trying to make it out to be. This is mainly a forum poster meme, not anything that has a basis in reality.

[Stone Wall]

MechWarrior 3 and MechWarrior 4 had the option to force you into trial mechs or "stock" mechs. That fixed the premade issue from the start.

[Adridos]

Digital Ninja, on 02 November 2012 - 04:14 AM, said:

Plus we kinda like hanging out while we fight and it's hard to aim and type at the same time.

I was just explaining why people see you as a bunch of dicks.

[I Just Ate Your Grapes Bro]

FrostPaw, on 02 November 2012 - 02:19 AM, said:

Do you want to face pre-made competition?

I'm wondering why the argument pre-made teams always seem to use is that everyone else in pugs should do what they do. Which suggests they want the competition, yet it seems nobody who joins a pre-made is actually asking for pre-made vs pre-made match options.

Why are pre-made teams not dissatisfied with the lack or organised competition? Why are they not demanding a better match making system? Seriously there isn't a single thread from someone on this forum complaining that they can't get a competitive match against another pre-made team....

That seems strange to me.

Some are, some are shaking for when this day comes because then the pugstompers will be the pugstomped..... a lot of premades out there think they are great but have NO idea what they are in for, and don't want one.

[ReconDoc]

Gotta add my 2 cents worth here! MechWarrior is, to a great extent, a TEAM game, hence you get terms like Merc Corps, House Units, Clans etc. But Lonewolfs have a Value too. they add the UNKNOWN factor in every drop and to me it makes it better. Yes! We need Community Warfare up and running, but welcome to BETA, it will come when its ready. I run a premade team(s), and yes we roll pugs A LOT. Cohesive units will always win against single players! Most of the Merc/House units are just waiting for community warfare and wanting to game too. Yes, as premades we spend a lot of time dropping against other premades, its called scriming. But we (BBK) always have invited guests in our TS and for them we drop in pugs. Don't be flaming the Premades and guys don't flame the lonewolfs for not being in a team. This is a GAME,and in BETA too, so lets try and act like civilized gamers and support each other, tearing up mechs belongs on the battlefield, tearing up people does not belong in the forums.

[Digital Ninja]

Stone Wall, on 02 November 2012 - 04:30 AM, said:

MechWarrior 3 and MechWarrior 4 had the option to force you into trial mechs or "stock" mechs. That fixed the premade issue from the start.

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that the PUGs are whining about mechs. What they complain about is teamwork. My clan could trade mechs with a typical PUG and the result would be exactly the same slaughter as before.

[Tyrant]

Mack1, on 02 November 2012 - 03:53 AM, said:

Don't believe the ******** about them wanting Premade v Premade, there was a clan on here last night +SJR+ Dale streaming his supposedly helpful program to help new players. It consisted of him and his clan stomping Pug's in their Gauss Kats while taking the **** out of them. They tried to deny it but I saw it myself, it was pathetic tbh and it's this behaviour that is ruining the game for new players. The sooner Premades fight Premades the better, then new players may hang around a bit longer.

While I understand where you are coming from and I cannot speak for +SJR+ directly; I can say that I have known the +SJR+ leaders / unit for a while and I know for a fact that they are highly competitive team with all of the vices and virtues that come with it, just like any other competitive team reaching for the top, my unit included.

We have played +SJR+ several times in the RHoD closed beta tournament and more times than I can remember in MW4, they have always played above and beyond, always reaching for the top and I personally expect nothing less from them or any other competitive team. They have always stepped up to any challenge and are always looking to play other competitive teams, not just play 'opens' all day.

The current situation is PGI's fault for not provide features to facilitate competitive team vs. team games and going into the open beta phase.

Hate the game, not the player.

[Squidhead Jax]

Adridos, on 02 November 2012 - 04:00 AM, said:

Because you have the option to simply drop the TS and play with your friends without any real advantage, to put it: a premade pug. Calling of targets, plan explaining mid-game and preorganised setup of mechs would be down and you would be on the same ground as pugs.

Noone does it (I know only about 1 fool who rather plays pug than to have an advantage), because deeply within, this type of play suits you.

Then how do you explain PUGs lucky enough to get on a drop without afk/suicide/Rambo saboteurs rolling their brother-PUGs saddled with such deficits?

Having a team that even attempts to all stay on the same page is such an overwhelming advantage over one that doesn't that everything else washes out. Other factors only begin to make a difference after that.