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[Strum Wealh]

Thorn Hallis, on 11 April 2012 - 10:39 PM, said:

Well, it never existed in the first place...

Fair enough!

(The -1Rb is still pretty awesome - a good loadout, well-armored, and jump-capable; the only downside is a top speed of 54 kph.)

pursang, on 11 April 2012 - 10:40 PM, said:

No, but the 9M is canonical and depending on when it was initially developed, could be in the game at launch - allowing the user to swap out the SRMs for LRMs in the MechLab.

The -9M was introduced in 3068, according to its MUL entry.

Edited by Strum Wealh, 11 April 2012 - 10:45 PM.

[Thorn Hallis]

Strum Wealh, on 11 April 2012 - 10:42 PM, said:

Fair enough!

(The -1Rb is still pretty awesome - a good loadout, well-armored, and jump-capable; the only downside is a top speed of 54 kph.)

Not to forget that it looks awesome!

[Strum Wealh]

Thorn Hallis, on 11 April 2012 - 10:48 PM, said:

Not to forget that it looks awesome!

Well, it is a Marauder, after all - that it looks awesome is something of a given.

[pursang]

Strum Wealh, on 11 April 2012 - 10:42 PM, said:

The -9M was introduced in 3068, according to its MUL entry.

/Dream crushed.

Thanks a lot!

[Cbass57484]

There is just NO substitute for my favorite mech.

[El Loco]

Evex, on 11 April 2012 - 05:47 PM, said:

Since we all know the Clan fans want their Mad Cat(Timber Wolf) I'm going to give it to them. In a hypothesis it should be possible to do this with the CPLT-C1 Catapult in MW:O.

Model: CPLT-MC
Name: Matapult
Class: Heavy
Estimated Cost: 9,740,585 C-bills
Mass: 65 Tons
Armor: 11 tons of Ferro Fiberous
Speed: 86.4 km/h
Heat Sink: 21
Weapons:

2x Lrm 10
2x Large Laser
2X Medium Laser
1x Medium Pulse Laser

Hmm... I tried to build this, but I can't make it work. I have your armour, weapons, speed, but am stuck with 15 HS. I added CASE to a side torso where I store 2t of LRM ammo, so I end up with 65/65t. And even if I had more tonnage at my disposal, I have only 1 critical left... Your design is nice, it might even work in MW4, but with the given Mechlab I doubt you will be able to build this Matapult. Removing the pulse laser frees space and tonnage for two more HS... what I would do to make this design work better.

[pursang]

El Loco, on 12 April 2012 - 01:35 AM, said:

Hmm... I tried to build this, but I can't make it work. I have your armour, weapons, speed, but am stuck with 15 HS. I added CASE to a side torso where I store 2t of LRM ammo, so I end up with 65/65t. And even if I had more tonnage at my disposal, I have only 1 critical left... Your design is nice, it might even work in MW4, but with the given Mechlab I doubt you will be able to build this Matapult. Removing the pulse laser frees space and tonnage for two more HS... what I would do to make this design work better.

15 double or single heatsinks? I'm fairly sure he was using single.

[El Loco]

Single... to free enough tons for the weapons you have to use a XL engine and Endosteel chassis, that's where your criticals go (6 + 14 + 14 for the FF = 34), which is why I had to use single HS instead of double. Let's not forget that IS LRM 10's are damn heavy, the two launchers weigh in at 5t each. If I had Clan LRMs it would be 5t for both.

Edited by El Loco, 12 April 2012 - 01:52 AM.

[Siilk]

You know, this whole thread(especially the loadout, suggested in the OP) reminds me about Rakshasa.

Edited by Siilk, 12 April 2012 - 02:03 AM.

[El Loco]

Yes, it is exactly like the Rakshasa MDG-1B, the differences being a) the MDG-1B weighs in at 75t, b ) has 0.5t more armour, c) uses 15 DHS, and d) is not around until some time after 3052. The OPs intention was to recreate a 'Mech similar to the Timberwolf in both appearance and armament using a design and components that will be available to us players at launch. And I think he has come up with an interesting Catapult.

Edit: Stupid smileys... they sneak into posts like ninjas in a fortress...

Edited by El Loco, 12 April 2012 - 02:13 AM.

[EDMW CSN]

If you keep the base speed you can have a similar weapon's load. But I guess that isn't the author's plan no ?

Spoiler

Matapult CPLT-MC-1

Mass: 65 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E
Production Year: 3052
Cost: 12,009,800 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,558

Chassis: Hollis Mark II Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Magna 260 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Durallex Heavy Standard Armor w/ CASE
Armament:
2 Victory Nickel Alloy ER Large Lasers
2 Shigunga LRM-15s
1 Victory Heartbeat Medium Pulse Laser
2 Victory 23R Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: Yori 'Mech Works
Primary Factory: Al Na'ir
Communications System: O/P COM-211
Targeting and Tracking System: O/P 1078

================================================================================
Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 104 points 3.50
Internal Locations: 2 CT, 2 LT, 3 LA, 3 RA, 2 LL, 2 RL
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 260 7.00
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 13(26) 3.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA
Gyro: Standard 3.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Armor: Standard Armor AV - 200 12.50
CASE Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT 1.00

Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 21 29
Center Torso (rear) 10
L/R Torso 15 20
L/R Torso (rear) 10
L/R Arm 10 20
L/R Leg 15 26

================================================================================
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Medium Laser RA 3 1 1.00
ER Large Laser RA 12 2 5.00
Medium Laser LA 3 1 1.00
ER Large Laser LA 12 2 5.00
LRM-15 RT 5 3 7.00
Medium Pulse Laser LT 4 1 2.00
LRM-15 LT 5 3 7.00
@LRM-15 (16) RT - 2 2.00
@LRM-15 (16) LT - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 1

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 7 Points: 16
4 3 3 1 0 3 0 Structure: 3
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, LRM 1/1/1, IF 1

Edited by [EDMW]CSN, 12 April 2012 - 02:24 AM.

[EDMW CSN]

Oh never mind, a 5/8 version is possible but your firepower takes a slight downgrade and you need FF armor.
The 3 extra DHS are all stored inside the engine since a 325 rated XL engine can hold more DHS internally.

Spoiler

Matapult CPLT-MC-2

Mass: 65 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E
Production Year: 3052
Cost: 14,278,825 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,678

Chassis: Hollis Mark II Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Magna 325 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Durallex Heavy Ferro-Fibrous w/ CASE
Armament:
2 Victory Nickel Alloy ER Large Lasers
2 Shingunga LRM-10s
1 Victory Heartbeat Medium Pulse Laser
2 Victory 23R Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: Yori 'Mech Works
Primary Factory: Al Na'ir
Communications System: O/P COM-211
Targeting and Tracking System: O/P 1078

================================================================================
Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 104 points 3.50
Internal Locations: 2 CT, 2 LT, 3 LA, 3 RA, 2 LL, 2 RL
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 325 12.00
Walking MP: 5
Running MP: 8
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 13(26) 3.00
Gyro: Standard 4.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous AV - 206 11.50
Armor Locations: 2 LT, 4 RT, 4 LA, 4 RA
CASE Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT 1.00

Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 21 33
Center Torso (rear) 8
L/R Torso 15 22
L/R Torso (rear) 8
L/R Arm 10 20
L/R Leg 15 28

================================================================================
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Medium Laser RA 3 1 1.00
ER Large Laser RA 12 2 5.00
Medium Laser LA 3 1 1.00
ER Large Laser LA 12 2 5.00
LRM-10 RT 4 2 5.00
Medium Pulse Laser LT 4 1 2.00
LRM-10 LT 4 2 5.00
@LRM-10 (24) RT - 2 2.00
@LRM-10 (12) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 1

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 7 Points: 17
5 3 3 2 0 3 2 Structure: 3
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 1

Edited by [EDMW]CSN, 12 April 2012 - 02:27 AM.

[Karel Spaten]

Evex, on 11 April 2012 - 05:47 PM, said:

2x Lrm 10
2x Large Laser
2X Medium Laser
1x Medium Pulse Laser

So... a Rakshasa?

EDIT - Scooped! I should read the whole thread...

Edited by Karel Spaten, 12 April 2012 - 02:43 AM.

[El Loco]

Hmm... Without the third ton of ammo, the second case (just keep the ammo in one side torso), and maxing the armour instead, you end up with 1t and 3 crits at your disposal, which is just enough to get a 14th DHS installed. That helps with the heat from the ER-LL. Replacing those ER lasers with the standard version, the 14 DHS allow you to fire all weapons but the pulse lasers without generating much heAT (30 heat at 28 dissipation rate). Anyways, this version of the Matapult runs short of ammo pretty quick.

[Mason Grimm]

I kinda like the Marauder Catapult mix picture in a sick twisted "my sister is hot" kinda way.

Still, without confirmed hardpoint details all this is moot.

I have a bazillion and one variants that I've had over the years that I would love to post on MechSpecs but alas, until I have something concrete to work with I can't post anything cause it may or may not be accurate.

[LordDeathStrike]

syngyne, on 11 April 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

you know how Diet Dr Pepper actually tastes better than original Dr Pepper

this is not a similar situation

diet anything tastes like the south end of a north bound moose. and it gives you cancer becuase its all chemicle sweetener.

Mason Grimm, on 12 April 2012 - 03:40 AM, said:

I kinda like the Marauder Catapult mix picture in a sick twisted "my sister is hot" kinda way.

Still, without confirmed hardpoint details all this is moot.

I have a bazillion and one variants that I've had over the years that I would love to post on MechSpecs but alas, until I have something concrete to work with I can't post anything cause it may or may not be accurate.

your sister is hot, can i get her number bro

[Evex]

Mason Grimm, on 12 April 2012 - 03:40 AM, said:

until I have something concrete to work with I can't post anything cause it may or may not be accurate.

Why I said this was Hypothetically possible with the CPLT-C1 Catapult. To clear some things up on the build, since the new ones use ER Large Lasers. The build uses normal medium and large lasers and not the extended range versions. I did some recalculations on heat generated by weapons and it comes out to 19.7, so you should only need 20 heat sinks. 10 free ones + 10 more. Assuming that heat sinks are 1 ton each then thats 10 tons + 23 tons from weapon weight which is 33 tons total. The LRM-10 have 240 rounds each so a total of 480 rounds. I know nothing of pen and paper rules, so I should of clarified I designed this using MW4: Mercenaries. Again why I stated this was hypothetically possible using the CPLT-C1 Catapult, since we know nothing of how MW:O mechlab is going to work in this regard.

[Death Blossom]

Have any of the devs posted the specs for the fearsome Mouseapult?

[Evex]

Evex, on 12 April 2012 - 05:20 AM, said:

Why I said this was Hypothetically possible with the CPLT-C1 Catapult. To clear some things up on the build, since the new ones use ER Large Lasers. The build uses normal medium and large lasers and not the extended range versions. I did some recalculations on heat generated by weapons and it comes out to 19.7, so you should only need 20 heat sinks. 10 free ones + 10 more. Assuming that heat sinks are 1 ton each then thats 10 tons + 23 tons from weapon weight which is 33 tons total. The LRM-10 have 240 rounds each so a total of 480 rounds. I know nothing of pen and paper rules, so I should of clarified I designed this using MW4: Mercenaries. Again why I stated this was hypothetically possible using the CPLT-C1 Catapult, since we know nothing of how MW:O mechlab is going to work in this regard.

Forgot to mention something else. The weight of the design is 64.00 tons/65.00 tons in the game with 1.00 tons extra, so I'm not sure if that helps pen and paper people figure this out. I never designed this to actually use up all the catapults tonnage.

[Aegis Kleais]

Evex, on 11 April 2012 - 06:50 PM, said:

I wanted to use something that is actually confirmed to be in the game, but ts funny you should mention the Marauder.

Model: MAD-3MC
Name: Marapult
Class: Heavy
Estimated Cost: 11,112,625 C-bills
Mass: 69.8/75 Tons
Armor: 12.3 tons of Ferro Fiberous
Speed: 85.02 km/h
Heat Sink: 21
Weapons:


2x Large Laser
2X Medium Laser
2x Machine Gun w/ 2 tons of ammo
1x Medium Pulse Laser

Where's the LRMs?! You have 5 tons left and no LRMs!

Strum Wealh, on 11 April 2012 - 10:00 PM, said:

Perhaps the Mad Cat fans might be interested in these two Marauder variants :

MAD-1MDb (non-canon)
Introduction Year: 2750
Extinction Year: 2850
2 Holly LRM Packs 15 LRM-15s
3 Magna MII LL Large Lasers
2 Magna Mark II ML Medium Lasers

Wouldn't this variant be moving at 65KPH max or so?