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[Rathverge]

Yes yes as with WoT and many other games I quite enjoyed premades being displayed to the world. Not to give up or cry about but just as knowledge. It really needs to be displayed in random matches.

The reason?

Its the choice between:

Do I have fun in this game and enjoy the random outcome?

or

Do I have to go try hard, play it safe and really coordinate with teamattes?


Before the buzzkillingtons replay with "but you should always being going on man mode".... no, not in random battles when arranged team matches are implemented, sure. Untill then no, and I want to be fed the intel. If teams are allowed (... even entire collated teams of 8) I wannnnaaaaa know aboot it.

[Sulf]

Premade groups are changing. max 4 in normal matchmaking and with 8 man premades only going against other 8 man premades. Doesn't anyone read the Dev announcement?

[Elder Thorn]

Brickyard, on 04 November 2012 - 04:35 PM, said:

Premade groups are changing. max 4 in normal matchmaking and with 8 man premades only going against other 8 man premades. Doesn't anyone read the Dev announcement?

so?

what does it change? It still think we should have this, along with colorcoded Lancemates

[Sulf]

Elder Thorn, on 04 November 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

so?

what does it change? It still think we should have this, along with colorcoded Lancemates

It means you'll never see a full 8 man premade unless you are IN a 8 man premade. SO you'd KNOW.

Also, they will have Alpha and Beta lances. This is planned.

[Elder Thorn]

Brickyard, on 04 November 2012 - 04:50 PM, said:

It means you'll never see a full 8 man premade unless you are IN a 8 man premade. SO you'd KNOW.

Also, they will have Alpha and Beta lances. This is planned.

yes ok, but what if you are in a PUG and in your team are 3 teams of 2 players each? That is the information i am looking for, not the 8 man premade.

[Sulf]

Elder Thorn, on 04 November 2012 - 06:58 PM, said:

yes ok, but what if you are in a PUG and in your team are 3 teams of 2 players each? That is the information i am looking for, not the 8 man premade.

Ok, so say for some reason that would be valuable. How would you even do it? Color coding? Wouldn't that just be a mess?

[Elder Thorn]

Brickyard, on 04 November 2012 - 07:27 PM, said:

Ok, so say for some reason that would be valuable. How would you even do it? Color coding? Wouldn't that just be a mess?

it would be enough to see it on the TAB-Screen and the summary table at the end of the game. For Example a little badge next to each players name who is in a team / lance. On that badge it says a Number or a Letter. Each team / lance has it's own Number / Letter.

For example, look at this World of Tanks Screenshot:
http://i54.tinypic.com/10f7tl1.jpg
Can you see who is in the 'premade' Platoon?

[Sulf]

Elder Thorn, on 04 November 2012 - 07:39 PM, said:

it would be enough to see it on the TAB-Screen and the summary table at the end of the game. For Example a little badge next to each players name who is in a team / lance. On that badge it says a Number or a Letter. Each team / lance has it's own Number / Letter.

For example, look at this World of Tanks Screenshot:
http://i54.tinypic.com/10f7tl1.jpg
Can you see who is in the 'premade' Platoon?

I don't know the game, so not really.

It could work as described. I'd have to see it.

[Elder Thorn]

Brickyard, on 04 November 2012 - 07:49 PM, said:

I don't know the game, so not really.

It could work as described. I'd have to see it.

well, they have this badge next to them. The badge says '1' - for Platoon 1, if there were another platoon, this one would have a badge saying '2' and so on.

[endeceive]

Yes it works perfectly in WoT, and I think it's a glaring omission from this game.

[White Bear 84]

Elder Thorn, on 04 November 2012 - 06:58 PM, said:

yes ok, but what if you are in a PUG and in your team are 3 teams of 2 players each? That is the information i am looking for, not the 8 man premade.

You still should read the posts by the devs, you wont actually see this in PUG so it really wouldnt have much use:

http://mwomercs.com/...79-matchmaking/

Min group size: 4 players.

Once the match making is fully implemented you probably will never see a PUG v PRE match again..

[PL Harpoon]

It may result in "oh, I see a premade there - disconnect" situations. That leaves about 2-3 players who are not afraid to loose dtill on the battlefield making the game annoying for them and for the premade group on the opposite side who do not even get the chance to fight.
Bad idea.
And with phase one it doesn't add much either.

[Elder Thorn]

White Bear 84, on 04 November 2012 - 09:47 PM, said:

You still should read the posts by the devs, you wont actually see this in PUG so it really wouldnt have much use:

http://mwomercs.com/...79-matchmaking/

Min group size: 4 players.

Once the match making is fully implemented you probably will never see a PUG v PRE match again..

i don't think they will ever wipe groups out of the PUG games. And i do NOT consider this a bad thing.
Again, how whenever this topic comes up, look at World of Tanks, we are not asking for completly new invented things here.
In WoT you can be in random battles with a team of up to 3 players and it is shown to everyone who is in a team with who, and there are no people permanently disconnecting, because the opposite team has 1 or 2 platoons in it.

[MaddMaxx]

Elder Thorn, on 05 November 2012 - 06:47 AM, said:

i don't think they will ever wipe groups out of the PUG games. And i do NOT consider this a bad thing.
Again, how whenever this topic comes up, look at World of Tanks, we are not asking for completly new invented things here.
In WoT you can be in random battles with a team of up to 3 players and it is shown to everyone who is in a team with who, and there are no people permanently disconnecting, because the opposite team has 1 or 2 platoons in it.

So come tomorrow, if they showed who the 4 Team players were via Tags on both Teams, you would feel better about having 4 players on your Team having Tags, even if you were not one of them?

Is that the jist of it? What happens when you see the same Lance of 4 show up and they wipe you out every time. Will you want that 4 to be disallowed to play together seeing as they have Tags and are are to good?

What do Tags provide when only 1 Lance can be tagged per side in an 8v8 Match?

[Elder Thorn]

MaddMaxx, on 05 November 2012 - 08:16 AM, said:

So come tomorrow, if they showed who the 4 Team players were via Tags on both Teams, you would feel better about having 4 players on your Team having Tags, even if you were not one of them?

Is that the jist of it? What happens when you see the same Lance of 4 show up and they wipe you out every time. Will you want that 4 to be disallowed to play together seeing as they have Tags and are are to good?

What do Tags provide when only 1 Lance can be tagged per side in an 8v8 Match?

who says only 1 lance can be tagged? how i understand it a 4+4 vs 4+4 will be possible. (or 2+3+2+1 vs 3+3+2 and many many more)

No i do not feel 'better' if i am with them, against them or one of them or not one of them. It is jsut an information i'd like to know. I will have a Lancetag on me most of the time anyway.

If the same Lance of 4 Mechs wiped me out every time, i know that i have to practice more, overthink my tactics and yeah, if i recognize them and they are always doing the same thing to wipe meout, i can react to it. But that is something you can allreay do if you memorize some of the names.
I think during closed beta, many people knew each others names from matches anyway, and i still see some of those who i remember.

I consider those Lancetags a nice to have, if we don't get them i won't cry, but i do not understand why you would RESIST to having them.

Edit: except there are other things at higher priority right now, i absolutly admit that.

Edited by Elder Thorn, 05 November 2012 - 08:53 AM.

[endeceive]

If my team got wiped by another team, and they weren't even a premade, I'd like to know that... rather than coming away cursing about how premades are ruining the game. I think this is the kind of information that should definitely be very clear to the player.

[AC]

We know we are getting rolled by premades, this would just confirm it.