63 replies to this topic

[Lyteros]

For me the fun comes from not running around with a gimped and useless mech that leads to autoloss.
Its a competitive game, so you have to create a setup that works in this competition.

Still I avoid the FOTUM stuff like I avoid the gimped weapons.
Only one exception: recently I createt an LRM spamming atlas (40 LRM + gauss) and can only suggest everybody build LRM boats. The more the crying and (this time justified) calling for a rebalancing emerges in the forum, the faster the weapon with this "hurr I can win games with the brain capacity of a brick" strategy gets rebalanced, the better.

[GODzillaGSPB]

The Cheese, on 04 November 2012 - 08:58 PM, said:

People have different motivations and will accept different prices to pay for what they consider "fun".

Seems for many - but at least not for most - "fun" is having an optimal, min/max-build that is easy to use (one weapon group) with maximum efficiency so they win most of their encounters. Winning = fun. That's obviously their only motivation.

[Shrinkmaster]

i finally am pretty satisfied with the builds of my
as7-d(f)
as7-d-dc
as7-rs
cplt-a1
cplt-c4
cplt-k2
hbk-4sp
so yes i'm starting to derp around with some non-optimized builds on my jenner and other mechs.

but you need to realize that most people WILL min/max their first and second mech. you can't afford to buy a chassis for a few mill plus fitting only to realize "wow this mech is fun, but makes no money".

you need to have 1-2 non-sucky mechs as backup if on of your experiments fails and getting those 2 mechs will take time for most people.

[p00k]

Xinaoen, on 04 November 2012 - 10:49 PM, said:

I do my derping around in games where I don't have teammates counting on me to pull my weight, personally.

i do the opposite, and do my derping around in games where my teammates can cover for me being useless

[Lorcan Lladd]

GODzillaGSPB, on 04 November 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

Seems for many - but at least not for most - "fun" is having an optimal, min/max-build that is easy to use (one weapon group) with maximum efficiency so they win most of their encounters. Winning = fun. That's obviously their only motivation.

Surely that is reasonable?
I would prefer to play with people whom are willing to at least make some effort in order to win matches; they don't have to be insufferable 'progamers' whom only seem to derive pleasure from curbstomping newbies, of course.

I'm sure nobody likes these kinds of people...

But you can't blame a man for sticking to his Gauss Rifle, not when it's just better than almost anything else.

[Johnny Human]

I would love running around in non-optimized mechs...if the game would so kind as to match me against other non-optimized mechs.

[BloodLegacy]

I have fun finding new builds, my current favorite is a Gauss, ER PPC CAT-K2 with an XL280

[Rifter]

Well untill they actually have a BV based MM then you are really screwing your team over unless you run a somewhat optomized build.

A trial awesome vs a founders atlas for example is a joke of match making.

So i tend to run the most optimal builds i can afford.

At least if they had a BV based matchmaker i wouldnt feel like im letting my team down for starting the match in a sub optimal mech i have deliberatly nerfed to be cheap to repair just for grinding cbills.

[Inappropriate618]

i think that that mech needs more ballistic hardpoints

[hanitora]

Bloody, on 04 November 2012 - 10:11 PM, said:

you laugh but you do no understand that every person you are with, demands that you act in a certain manner. Polite, Courteous, Civil. That is a group mechanic. That is the nature of being in a group, a culture, a community etc, You must conform to the group. As a lone Wolf you are not limited to that at all.

try thinking outside of the box instead of drone eh ?

I dunno wtf you been smoking but I'd like some of taht ****

[1ceTr0n]

Derpy builds dont' make me money

[Draco Argentum]

Vermaxx, on 04 November 2012 - 08:55 PM, said:

I mean, really, half the fun of this game is derping around in mechlab. Exactly half, since this game only includes two functions: shooting things and building things.

The point of building things is to build things that are better at the shooting things part of the game. I'll never run anything that isn't either optimal, a step on the way to optimal or an experiment designed to find optimal.

[Slepnir]

LOL
To the -OP
as it so happens my favorite build is a slightly modified STOCK design that isn't officially in the game yet. but i can make a close copy of it

mechlab is addictive but it has lost alot of its appeal until you have lots of extra C-bills to burn.

[Crayzed Lyon]

Lane, on 04 November 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

Depending on how the heatsink's shake out I might just run gauss and nothing else, since I don't like the k2 i'll be using just 1.

Lane

Fear not! The Jagermech is coming.

[MustrumRidcully]

I like finding good builds the most. Experimenting and finding a build that works for me is a lot of fun.

But once I've played enough with it, I hunger for a new build. And if the game is as imbalanced as it is, the options are much more limited than if it was better balanced.

[Crayzed Lyon]

Rifter, on 04 November 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

Well untill they actually have a BV based MM then you are really screwing your team over unless you run a somewhat optomized build.

A trial awesome vs a founders atlas for example is a joke of match making.

So i tend to run the most optimal builds i can afford.

At least if they had a BV based matchmaker i wouldnt feel like im letting my team down for starting the match in a sub optimal mech i have deliberatly nerfed to be cheap to repair just for grinding cbills.

BV doesn't work for mechwarrior games. Equal BV is used in table top to provide balance for unequal mechs controlled by equal teams. MW games are different. One mech should be able to be equal to one mech, because each player can control only one.

[Slepnir]

Crayzed Lyon, on 05 November 2012 - 01:02 AM, said:

BV doesn't work for mechwarrior games. Equal BV is used in table top to provide balance for unequal mechs controlled by equal teams. MW games are different. One mech should be able to be equal to one mech, because each player can control only one.

It is also totally worthless, since the TT game has a built in crit system. your BV does matter nor does your super pilot sklill if i put a gauss shot into your face or get a crit in a torso or head that takes out a key system. we gave up on BV and tonnage years ago. it arbitrarily makes players take only the best mech loadouts and reduces variety since we never use anything other than stock mechs. the only balancer is the lance strength or clan star trength of the unit. lance V lance or 2 lances V a single clan star.

[Inertiaman]

I really enjoy making other players explode into pieces so yeah - gausscat or LRMspam all the way unless I'm hiding behind my lagshielded 4xMPL cicada and shooting your well rounded atlas up the arse.

[Asmosis]

I would, but machine guns are useless.

Had great fun in MW4 getting the mech with the most ballistic hardpoints, then just filling it up with machine gun/heavy machineguns.

I dont get the issue with them, they *SHOULD* have the same DPS as a AC/2. instead you'd need about 10 machine guns to get that level of DPS.

[BigJim]

lsp, on 04 November 2012 - 09:04 PM, said:

flamers didn't kill the atlas you did, in your cheap lagshield lightmech. Which is the reason I run a streakcat in the first place. I enjoy it so much when I blow little buggers like you away.

Someone's got issues..

I wish all the people who moan about lag-shielded Lights or just sit quietly back an like such posts would actually put in the time, effort and work to try to get skilled in them - I don't mean running around in silly pubbie matches going pew-pew - but actually pit themselves against a good team who has pilots who specialise in Light mechs and players who understand things like weight of fire. They wouldn't last a minute or two imo.


It's human nature; The grass is always greener, and the thing that kills me is an "I win" button.
Reality is usually much more difficult, and less easy to put into a simple slogan.

Edited by BigJim, 05 November 2012 - 04:19 AM.