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How to premade with pugs (and you can too!)


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#1 Bogus

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 11:55 PM

There's been a few of these threads over the last few weeks but I feel like making another one because 1. I had a run-in with an intelligent friendly premade tonight, possibly my first itme ever, and 2. I explored House Bogus's excellent wine cellar again and can't be bothered to search. As most who follow the forums likely know, I pug exclusively as a lifestyle choice and whether there's some premades on my side is left to chance. And I refuse to use voice chat because it's a tool of the dirty bourgeois scoundrels. :lol: Most of the time, especially evenings, I'm in a full pug vs a premade and it becomes a perfunctory stomp. The MM leaves open the possibility to have pug+premade as it is but in the ~100 matches I've played since starting in CB I've only ever had a single premade self-identify in team chat and they weren't a particularly stellar bunch. So if I've rolled with premades they sure havne't bothered to tell us little people. A match tonight l was a bit different, though. We started off 7 v 8, which has been happening a lot lately so I didn't have a lot of hope for the round. Oh well, at least I can do a bunch of damage before going down like Leonidas--living the pug life has gotten me rather experienced in that regard. But about a minute into the match, something interesting came in over team chat:

"5 of us are a group, follow our lead"

Bam, just like that a sense of direction and purpose. These guys clearly have a plan afoot. They posted a clan URL but I honestly don't remember what it was, since like any good antisocial mercenary I'm here for the credits and couldn't care less who's fighting whom over what (plus, as has been said, I might have had a wee dram or two). As a proud Lone Wolf I've got no problem backing up an organized lance if only someone says as much. So consider me your huckleberry, lads. Being in a Wang I tagged along with what seemed to be one of their leaders, throwing AC2 at the obvious targets and keeping their heads down while the missiles and lasers found their marks. It's hard to compete with coordinated fire but I feel I made a difference nonetheless. Eventually it came down to around 4 v 3, with the 3 doing a fighting retreat raining down scouted LRMs on anything that challenged them. Then came another team message:

"hit the LRM boats"

Sounds reasonable, and presumably a plan is in the works. Being a medium I make full speed for the boats, past their scout who's occupied with the premade's brawlers, and do my best undead Wang. I died after a minute or two of weaving between the two enemy cats putting occasional pulse bursts on target, but it kept them occupied long enough for the remainder of the team to get in firing range and do their thang. Round over, we win something like 8-6.

My point here is this. Faced with their own <8 premade augmented by some pugs, and less than favorable odds, these guys made the best of the situation instead of ******** to themselves and on the forums about the diirrrrty pugger scabs who won't join Voice Union. Simple, high level, easy to understand suggestions in team chat, not imperious commands to OBEY OR DAI, snarky allchat comments about how everyone else sucks, or the usual cone of silence. And for their ability to not be raging xenophobes like so many in MWO appear to be, the team won what would have otherwise probably have been a disorganized rout. That's all it takes, folks. Like it nor not, Phase 1 is going to force premades to fight alongside pugs. Are you able to effectively co-opt pugs in your lance or will you go down like the Tokugawa Shogunate, so recalcitrant and unwilling to budge from tradition that someone more flexible simply buries you in the sand?


tl, dr: Pugs and premades can live together and sing Kumbaya over the campfire if only more premades would stop acting like the Illuminati

Edited by Bogus, 04 November 2012 - 11:59 PM.


#2 Lefty Lucy

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 12:03 AM

Reminds me of a game I was playing PUGboss with my non-TS group earlier. Enemy pre-made rushes our base through the river. We end up mostly wrecked, but victorious.

I think that being able to coordinate through text chat is going to be an invaluable skill when phase 1 goes into play.

#3 Darius Otsdarva

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 12:05 AM

I like to make friends through the text option. Sometimes we friend up and group up, other times it doesn't work.

It's a good way to get around and meet a lot of interesting pilots. I usually see a lot of BT vets, it annoys the other players sometimes when we argue the finer points of BT over chat but everyone usually chimes in.

Some interesting fights actually occurred as people argued both on chat and with guns.

#4 Joe Mallad

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 12:05 AM

sounds like you may have run into our 5 man group tonight. cant say for sure it was you but we as a five and a few times six man pre-made group, made sure to let our pugs know we were pre-made and to form up on us for support. Its a good way to help each other out. We even did a group event tonight where we as a unit all ran trial mechs to even up the playing field. We ourselves ran into a few other pre-mades that thought it was silly that we were all running trial mechs but I can honestly say... we had a blast doing that tonight as it was different for us and forced us to play with builds we could not customize.

#5 Joe Mallad

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 12:14 AM

LOL... at one point we even got 8 of us on and all took trial Centurians. I swear it felt like the movie 300. The team we ran into was a full pug group that had 6 Hunchbacks and 2 centurians but when we came running at them... they parted and just looked very suprised to see 8 centurians rushing. We all ended up in a grand battle in the center of the map with mech falling all over the place. In the end we won as we were more solid as a unit. But everyone on both sides were laughing and saying how it was a great fight and a lot of fun.

#6 steelblueskies

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 12:15 AM

the big thing i wish worked was voice to text/speech to text (like windows builtin or dragon naturally speaking) could input its text into in match chat. it just doesn't work right now.

#7 Krivvan

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 12:17 AM

View PostLefty Lucy, on 05 November 2012 - 12:03 AM, said:

Reminds me of a game I was playing PUGboss with my non-TS group earlier. Enemy pre-made rushes our base through the river. We end up mostly wrecked, but victorious.

I think that being able to coordinate through text chat is going to be an invaluable skill when phase 1 goes into play.


More people need to learn how to quickly write essays while piloting :lol: .

#8 Bogus

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 12:19 AM

Quite possible it was you guys, all I really remember was there was a guy named John and he was in a Catapult. His missile bay doors were glitching, which was something I'd noticed in some previous matches, and I was able to get a screenshot for another bugreport.

Whoever it was, my hat is off to you for not only involving the pugs but also being prepared for both phase 1 and ultimately CW.

#9 Stimbles

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 12:28 AM

Clearly teamwork is overpowered, nerf teamwork.

#10 Martini Henrie

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 12:31 AM

Might have been us too, We were running with five for a while and managed to pick up some good pugs who didn't run off and suicide.

Either way, glad you enjoyed it. We're all here to have fun, just some of us have longer friends lists and then want to meet up with friends to play and chew the cud...

#11 One Medic Army

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 12:51 AM

Kids today have it so simple with voice-chat.
Back when I started online gaming it was all type-chat, and you had to do it in combat.

So now I'm the designated text-comms guys for my pre-made most times. It's always worth saying hi to your PUGs and asking them to stick together, can make quite the difference. Not to mention we've picked up a few people (both allies and opponents) through text chat.





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