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[KageRyuu]

Zaius Ex, on 22 April 2012 - 09:35 AM, said:

If only people would fight this hard to get melee in, eh?

As far as quad mechs: I don't feel strongly either way. I'll pilot one for the novelty if they get put in, but it's not going to ruin my day if they aren't.

I know right, they push for quad mechs which had a stigma in universe, but won't do a thing for melee combat which was lifted to an art form within the IS.

Edited by KageRyuu, 26 April 2012 - 07:24 PM.

[William Petersen]

KageRyuu, on 26 April 2012 - 07:23 PM, said:

I know right, they push for quad mechs which had a stigma in universe, but won't do a thing for melee combat which was lifted to an art form within the IS.

Probably because I hate melee combat with a burning passion unrivaled by a thousand suns.


EDIT: I'm not saying I think it should be left out, or will strongly object to its introduction. I'm saying I am not going to complain if it is left out, and am sure as sugar-cubes not going to 'push' for its inclusion. =P

Edited by William Petersen, 26 April 2012 - 07:30 PM.

[errorabbit]

KageRyuu, on 26 April 2012 - 07:23 PM, said:

I know right, they push for quad mechs which had a stigma in universe, but won't do a thing for melee combat which was lifted to an art form within the IS.

Well from a canon viewpoint: Yeah, melee is way more prominent than quad mechs, which are a tiny tiny minority of mechs especially in the timeframe of the game, and universally reviled by mechwarriors for some reason...

However, from a more realistic viewpoint, quadmechs should reasonably have a lot more advantages than they have in canon, plus, the reasons they are reviled are kind of arbitrarily decided: Quadmechs are more complicated (why? they should be easier to balance and you have the same amount of joints as a humanoid one, well unles it's a humanoid one without arms) and ergo harder to make and maintain, therefore more costly, and have a rough gait that is uncomfortable. Really. A rough gait. That's why these hardened mechwarriors dislike them. And it doesn't even make sense! Four legs should result in a much more stable and balanced ride than two.

There's a reason most animals on the planet use four-legged locomotion...

And melee... well with the tiny small ranges of the weapons in BT, that also makes sense. Although I'd imagine armor that can take several tons of autocannon shells and near lightspeed projectiles should probably be a little less concerned about another giant piece of metal swung at it at, at most, a few dozen miles per hour. Sure, go with your depleted uranium, that only makes it heavier/denser.

But anyway, that's just how I see it. I guess you could say I'd like if the canon balance would be a little readjusted, but I won't actually mind if quadmechs and melee stay out, or just melee gets in. From a rule of cool point of view, giant robots punching and hacking the crap out of each other are still amazing.

I just like quad design.
Oh but I think there's some reason why the humanoid bipedal warmachines are so prevalent that makes a lot of sense: Their society glorifies them.
Everyone admires mechwarriors, they are modern knights in shining armor, and everyone just wants them to look impressive and humanoid on the battlefield, it makes them more relatable, honorful looking than just a dude in a tank. Likewise, warriors with such a mindset would understandably dislike having to pilot something that resembles a lowly animal more than what they consider the form of an honorable human warrior.

[Charles Martel]

stormeris, on 15 April 2012 - 05:51 AM, said:

I really dont understand a lot of hatred for quads, there are so many more mechs taht are completely rubbish even when compared to the "flawed" quad designs (which were i believe "fixed" later on) scorpion and goliath,

It's from the same mind that hates on LAMs. Though most of the uproar on LAMs usually comes from clanners yelling about how it violates their archaic caste system or some such silliness. The only good thing that came out of the Jihad were new LAMs and improved LAM rules.

[Slepnir]

Stalking spider, goliath resculpt, thunder stallion, barghest.....quads yes please!

[Stormeris]

Charles Martel, on 26 April 2012 - 11:43 PM, said:

It's from the same mind that hates on LAMs. Though most of the uproar on LAMs usually comes from clanners yelling about how it violates their archaic caste system or some such silliness. The only good thing that came out of the Jihad were new LAMs and improved LAM rules.

I find Wasp LAMs in AirMech form pretty cool looking, looks like a locust but with wings!

Dont see why they couldnt "Bend" the rules, change them, to make them less Transformers, maybe make them "stuck" in these hybrid forms, give them lesser weaponry/armor but more maneuverablity while using jumpjets or something

P.S. I hate clanners xD

Edited by stormeris, 27 April 2012 - 06:28 AM.

[Der BruzZzler von Wiesndoof]

If i wanna pilot a "plane with legs", i would prefer my beloved Champion. At least, the Champ has style! I really dislike these transforming LAM-cripples, but each his own...

Unfortunately, i don't think that we see QuadMechs in MWO. We just have a handfull of quads in this current time era. Scorpion and Goliath are unseen. Yeah i know, they could redesign them, but do you believe that? Have you ever seen a QuadMech or other unseen mechs on the lists of Garth Erlams mech polls? Unfortunately, NO!
What about the 100 ton Xanthos? Lostech until 3070! Three clan quads, Fire Scorpion, Thunder Stallion and Snow Fox, are present in this time era, but all are deep in clanspace (Clan Goliath Scorpion / Clan Hells Horses / Clan Ice Hellion). Furthermore, no clans until 3050.

Tarantula? 3055!
Stalking Spider? 3058!
Barghest? 3058!
Sirocco? 3059!
Great Turtle? 3067!
Balius? 3075!
Thunder Fox? 3085!
...
...

It seems there is no quad that could implement into the game for a while.

Edited by The_Birdeater, 27 April 2012 - 08:49 AM.

[rollermint]

I rather pilot the traditional Battlemech design, either humanoid or chicken-walker.
I regard Quads at the same level with LAMS...they just don't fit in well at all.

In fact, I rather have armoured vehicles in-game I would happily pilot one.

Edited by rollermint, 27 April 2012 - 08:51 AM.

[Stormeris]

rollermint, on 27 April 2012 - 08:50 AM, said:

In fact, I rather have armoured vehicles in-game I would happily pilot one.

ಠ_ಠ

Edited by stormeris, 27 April 2012 - 09:10 AM.

[Stormeris]

The_Birdeater, on 27 April 2012 - 08:46 AM, said:

If i wanna pilot a "plane with legs", i would prefer my beloved Champion. At least, the Champ has style! I really dislike these transforming LAM-cripples, but each his own...

Unfortunately, i don't think that we see QuadMechs in MWO. We just have a handfull of quads in this current time era. Scorpion and Goliath are unseen. Yeah i know, they could redesign them, but do you believe that? Have you ever seen a QuadMech or other unseen mechs on the lists of Garth Erlams mech polls? Unfortunately, NO!
What about the 100 ton Xanthos? Lostech until 3070! Three clan quads, Fire Scorpion, Thunder Stallion and Snow Fox, are present in this time era, but all are deep in clanspace (Clan Goliath Scorpion / Clan Hells Horses / Clan Ice Hellion). Furthermore, no clans until 3050.

Tarantula? 3055!
Stalking Spider? 3058!
Barghest? 3058!
Sirocco? 3059!
Great Turtle? 3067!
Balius? 3075!
Thunder Fox? 3085!
...
...

It seems there is no quad that could implement into the game for a while.

I understand that goliath and scorpion original art is unseen, but what about the reseen ones? you know


These ones, im pretty sure are reseens

(edit: damn spelling mistakes xD)

Edited by stormeris, 27 April 2012 - 09:13 AM.

[Dataman]

well... when talking about quad mech, there is Zoids for a reason.

[Aegic]

I dont see why there would be a problem with Quads. Dont use them if you dont like them. Its another mech to add to the roster.

[Der BruzZzler von Wiesndoof]

stormeris, on 27 April 2012 - 09:12 AM, said:

I understand that goliath and scorpion original art is unseen, but what about the reseen ones? you know

I'm not a fan of reseen mechs. Most of them look just crappy, but these reseen designs look really good. It looks modern and aggressive. The og. TRO drawings of Goliath and Scorpion look really silly.

stormeris, on 27 April 2012 - 09:09 AM, said:

Amoured vehicles
The right response ...

Edited by The_Birdeater, 27 April 2012 - 09:47 AM.

[Stormeris]

The_Birdeater, on 27 April 2012 - 09:32 AM, said:

I'm not a fan of reseen mechs. Most of them look just crappy, but these reseen designs look really good. It looks modern and aggressive. The og. TRO drawings of Goliath and Scorpion look really silly.

I completely agree, These two are probably the only mechs that Reseens designs look so much better than original

[Skylarr]

The_Birdeater, on 27 April 2012 - 08:46 AM, said:

Unfortunately, i don't think that we see QuadMechs in MWO. We just have a handfull of quads in this current time era. Scorpion and Goliath are unseen. Yeah i know, they could redesign them, but do you believe that? Have you ever seen a QuadMech or other unseen mechs on the lists of Garth Erlams mech polls? Unfortunately, NO!

Nakir, on 16 April 2012 - 02:32 AM, said:

I propose a new poll on the use or not of quad mechs in the world MWO.I note with pleasure that the discussion is followed with interest by all.

Interesting request. We had a running poll. About 500 players said yes and about 100 said no. If you used this info to represent the whole community that would be about 80% would pilot a Quad if placed in the game.

Edited by Skylarr, 27 April 2012 - 09:47 AM.

[Watchit]

Dataman, on 27 April 2012 - 09:23 AM, said:

well... when talking about quad mech, there is Zoids for a reason.

Man I loved zoids, of course they never had any good games like Battletech unfortunately

[Der BruzZzler von Wiesndoof]

I know, as opposed to LAM's, QuadMechs have much more fans than haters and it's good.

[Skylarr]

The_Birdeater, on 27 April 2012 - 09:53 AM, said:

I know, as opposed to LAM's, QuadMechs have much more fans than haters and it's good.

Us lovers of LAMs and Quads can look forward to. ", the remains of a long-forgotten Scorpion LAM project were discovered in a bunker on Hesperus II in 3065. Here prototypes were found, but since the project was regarded as "unworkable" and abandoned it is extremely unlikely that these prototypes were functional LAMs."


Does this leave the door open for a LAM/QUAD hybrid in the 3080s.

Edited by Skylarr, 27 April 2012 - 10:09 AM.

[Stormeris]

Dataman, on 27 April 2012 - 09:23 AM, said:

well... when talking about quad mech, there is Zoids for a reason.

Zoids? you mean like this:

Woop woop woop woop woop!

[Thornix]

I always thought quads looked cool. They are not for someone with tactics like mine though. I prefer something focused on inflicting high amounts of damage at close or medium range.