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[Pengilum]

I agree.

But I did have a fun game last night.

We dropped 5v8. We were the 5.

We all performed a shutdown on caustic behind the big tanks. waited for them to come to cap, then came out firing. The pugger didnt follow exacty, but got the idea.

He still died pretty quick. The remaining 4 of us rocked the entire 8 man team without losing a man.

[Vila deVere]

I've done 22 drops with 4 man teams now. Result? 21 victories, 1 loss. Most victories are still 8-1, 8-2. Some are 8-0 face rolls.

Only effect from my point of view is fewer friends to play with, and fewer tactics in the game (since a lot of the opening phase is watching the pugs wander off to get killed).

[Col Forbin]

Vila deVere, on 07 November 2012 - 11:48 AM, said:

I've done 22 drops with 4 man teams now. Result? 21 victories, 1 loss. Most victories are still 8-1, 8-2. Some are 8-0 face rolls.

Only effect from my point of view is fewer friends to play with, and fewer tactics in the game (since a lot of the opening phase is watching the pugs wander off to get killed).

Yeah, I was winning too last night. Just not near as fun.

[Fabo1985]

yes me and my mates will stop playing till groups will be available for 8 pilots again.
its just senseless.

if your randoms rush into the death you find yourself in a 4vs8 or 4vs7.IF randoms did well 4vs6
this happens every 2nd round.its just frustrating.
cant get why they changed it like that.
the matchmaking wasnt that bad.

and all the whiners should accept that they just NEED an unit they can play with.
if you play alone,you die alone.as easy it can be.

we had 6vs8 from beginning anyway sometimes.

[HaDeZs]

Maybe it helps them test their other further implementations of the matchmaking system. People need to relax and think things through. This still is BETA and we are still testing and working out bugs. Instead of complaining make a post that helps fix problems and issues.

[IronGoat]

all i can say is AWWWWW now you know what ist like to be a serious pugger who DOES play and have thse idiots on a team EXCEPT YOU arent being made to face an 8 man premade with them, so while i sympathyze ( a tiny bit)
all i can say is Tough ta ta welcome to everyone elses world

[StoneGuardian]

IronGoat, on 07 November 2012 - 11:55 AM, said:

all i can say is AWWWWW now you know what ist like to be a serious pugger who DOES play and have thse idiots on a team EXCEPT YOU arent being made to face an 8 man premade with them, so while i sympathyze ( a tiny bit) all i can say is Tough ta ta welcome to everyone elses world

It doesn't cost money to join a clan. Heck, there are public servers for grouping so you don't even need to join. Pugging is a choice.

[Mad Cat II]

IronGoat, on 07 November 2012 - 11:55 AM, said:

all i can say is AWWWWW now you know what ist like to be a serious pugger who DOES play and have thse idiots on a team EXCEPT YOU arent being made to face an 8 man premade with them, so while i sympathyze ( a tiny bit)
all i can say is Tough ta ta welcome to everyone elses world

There is a resounding difference. No one is forcing you to PuG. The Devs are now forcing TS teams to PuG. You PuG because you choose to which is ALWAYS better. Any system that eliminates choices is broken IMO.

[Mechteric]

Pengilum, on 07 November 2012 - 11:29 AM, said:

Yea. Im a little frustrated by the fact that I can't play with my clan.

We have to break down into smaller lances instead of doing full groups. I understand they intend on eventually letting full groups drop.

It's really not a good fix to the problem though.

Its not a fix, its a bandaid until the real fix comes. I can't blame them, because they were risking a lot of new players retention loss due to PUG stomps. Just be patient until they get us the fix, at least in the meantime it makes for more of a challenge for merc groups, because quite frankly winning 8 to 0 most of the time got very boring and grindy.

[IronGoat]

Mad Cat II, on 07 November 2012 - 12:01 PM, said:

There is a resounding difference. No one is forcing you to PuG. The Devs are now forcing TS teams to PuG. You PuG because you choose to which is ALWAYS better. Any system that eliminates choices is broken IMO.

no BUT i AM being forced to face premades with 8 random players
im not being put on teams with a 4 man squad and 4 pugs im being put on teams that are still 8 pugs vs 2 4 man teams
so again all i can say to you is AWWWW you cant have your wins spoon fed to you anymore. here let me cry you a river..

[Fabo1985]

me and my mates stopped playing.its senseless.every 2nd game our randoms run into death and we find us back in a 4vs8.
people just need to understand that this is a TEAMBASED game!
if you DONT HAVE a TEAM,JOIN one or die alone!

[Cargo Bane]

pug vs pug, team vs team, and pug !vs team = end of story

If they just did this from day one, all the players would be happy.

[Egomane]

Fabo1985, on 07 November 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

me and my mates stopped playing.its senseless.every 2nd game our randoms run into death and we find us back in a 4vs8.
people just need to understand that this is a TEAMBASED game!
if you DONT HAVE a TEAM,JOIN one or die alone!

Hey! Before the patch a lot of "teams" announced that it would be no difference, if it were 4 or 8 players, as long as it is a premade against PUGs. Couldn't be so hard to win those games now.

Edited by Egomane, 07 November 2012 - 12:33 PM.

[Stormwolf]

Can't say that I mind 4 man drops, just protect your budies and use the others as meatshields and distractions.

Works fine most of the time, I only got killed once.

[Josef Nader]

Welcome to pugging in MWO, mate. You wonder why premades stomp so damn hard. It's 'cause there are a -lot- of pugs who simply aren't interested in contributing -at all-. It further stacks the game against those of us that like to play quick games without all the hassle of TS.

[Col Forbin]

Stormwolf, on 07 November 2012 - 12:42 PM, said:

Can't say that I mind 4 man drops, just protect your budies and use the others as meatshields and distractions.

Works fine most of the time, I only got killed once.

Like I said earlier, it's not like I'm dying more, it is just a lot less fun.

[Ransack]

I feel ya OP.

Some people just fail to realize that for a lot of people the fun isn't in who you are dropping against, it's who you are dropping with. Dropping with knuckleheads is not fun.

[Redback]

SuomiWarder, on 07 November 2012 - 01:02 AM, said:

I think the OPs original gripe was mainly against people walking away from a mech after starting the game to farm C-bills.

I just played for about four hours, and only saw it happen twice. I did see maybe 6 other no pilot mechs but those were all listed as disconnected in the team list and I don't know if that was on purpose or accident.

Annoying when it happens, but I'm not sure that zillions of people are going AFK during matches.

Exactly, thanks for understanding. I had a bad run of this after updating patch. Three games in a row.. One afk then One afk Then Two afk. 3 Atlas arks and one Catapault. It is a lot of tonnage to be afk under the current drop rules.

[TigaShark]

Kmieciu, on 07 November 2012 - 01:39 AM, said:

We`ve been stomping PUGs all yesterday evening. Haven`t been killed a single time.
When our two 4 man groups drop on the other side we do fun stuff like kill all the pugs on the other team and not shoot each other, then cap to reduce repairs.

But 80% of the time we end up on the same side so there`s no change in this "faze1" matchmaker....

I introduce you to Exhibit A> The Bottom Feeder

This is an example of the player that enjoys driving new players from the game and will do ANYTHING to avoid a fair fight, they follow the path of least resistance.


The bottom feeder premade is the reason why the matchmaker HAD to be changed. Ultimately the bottom feeder/griefer is one demographic you DONT want to cater to because they are parasitic to the game and bad for its longevity.

As it stands PQI has changed the matchmaker, and matches are *much* less 1 sided now. Keep in mind for "Serious" premades, they will be re-adding 8v8 premade only mode at a later date.

Long term they have plans to cater to "Casual" and "Hardcore" gamers...

Id really love to see them to add a "Solo queue" only mode alongside the 8v8 only mode... "Solo" queue, with random team mates is a different kind of challenge,and no less skill is required because you need to adapt to constantly changing conditions to succeed.

As to the OP... consider it a challenge if your "elite" premade starts a man down...


welcome to the world of "same rules for everyone"


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Edited by TigaShark, 07 November 2012 - 01:58 PM.

[Redback]

Asmosis, on 07 November 2012 - 03:22 AM, said:

if you started talking in the match, they shutdown in protest of being grouped with you most likely.

Not that team work is required, even without scouts atremis lrm boats are knocking everything down. Scouts can't get close enough to scout them before taking a full volley of missiles to the face.

Cheers for the personal attack.
You assume much, I was playing scout with one mate in lrm med mech. Our group had eyes on early and a clear picture of inc forces. This is only helpful if your team takes notice and does not have at least one assault mech shut down beside your base (not even shutdown on the base cap which could have been a little useful).

My post is not about never playing outside a full group but about having the choice removed. I have never played Only voice coms groups. I do feel the option should not have been removed though, my friends activity has dropped 50% in the first day alone.