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[LogicSol]

Ultrabeast, on 06 November 2012 - 05:15 PM, said:

Exactly. It is very annoying and accomplishes nothing.

Every match your 4 man drops into will have 4 pug players on your team. Regardless of how well you play, they will get a taste of being on the winning side of an organized group, rather than the disorganized mess most pug drops are.

Of course the ridiculous internals glitch doesn't help out.

[Ultrabeast]

NikitaCrocuta, on 06 November 2012 - 05:23 PM, said:

Actually it accomplishes a whole lot, it gives people like me hope that they are working on the matchmaking system, I nearly quit on my first day, because I was alone, being stomped by teams and feeling like a total failure. I understand you are frustrated with the choice they made, and cant play with all eight of your friends at once, but be patient, because in the end this will be better than it was, and that's what we all want. This gives newbies, like me, a chance to experience the team-play winning aspect of this game, even if its just through the eyes of veterans after I die.

If you actually cared about winning or thought you had any chance of winning, you'd be on the free TS3 servers making your own premades instead of whining about them. I would happily only play other premades, don't care about losing or dying. This is a game, it's about having fun. All 4 mans does is remove half the players fun and does nothing to alleviate stomping.

[EdgePain]

Played five matches, lost all of them. Always had more trials on my team. Looked like we faced a lance every time as their were 4 founders tags or more on every team and only one or none on ours. Clearly PGI doesn't give a s*** about PUG stomps in open beta, but I think this is going to cost them loads of potential customers daily who can't find how to group or don't want external grouping. From how they describe the changes, it still looks like the system has trouble matching a premade or multiple premades VS another premade. It's my opinion, but the number of premade players should be even on both sides, or just remove premades until you get full proper matchmaking and a proper social system and in game coms. I know they wanted to get out ahead of all the other F2P and paid shooters coming out, but I just disagree with the idea to open the game to the public without at least MM or in game social tools, as people are just going to move on.

Add on top of that, the light/medium/heavy trial mechs are seriously under-gunned and slow. The trial Atlas is nuts though. Played a 6th match with it and it's extremely versatile with decent firepower, and while it's slow, it'll only bring in an opposing Awesome or Atlas. That match was PUGvPUG at least... You'll see a lot of them in every match... but at least they aren't the Noob-somes of the last trial.

Buffing LRMs too without ECM... Jebus...

LogicSol, on 06 November 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:

Every match your 4 man drops into will have 4 pug players on your team.
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That's not what the patch notes say. You can still get matched with more premades.

Ultrabeast, on 06 November 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:

If you actually cared about winning or thought you had any chance of winning, you'd be on the free TS3 servers making your own premades instead of whining about them. I would happily only play other premades, don't care about losing or dying. This is a game, it's about having fun. All 4 mans does is remove half the players fun and does nothing to alleviate stomping.

Caring about winning and not wanting to PUG stomp aren't mutually exclusive concepts... except in this game...

Edited by EdgePain, 06 November 2012 - 05:53 PM.

[NikitaCrocuta]

@ Ultrabeast -
And if you actually cared about the game and its community, rather than your own personal internet-ego, you would realize how much of a jerk your post just came off as "make your own group" is not a solution to bad matchmaking systems, fixing the matchmaking systems and balancing is the solution. If that makes you uncomfortable for a little bit, get over it, fixing and tweaking is going to happen for a very long time into the future.
Reality check: Not everyone has the time to gather and meet with fixed groupings or friends, or use a third party program to "have fun" in a game. Most of my online friends live in other timezones, some with as much as 6 hours of time between us, often, my group has been 2 or 3 people, tops, at any given time.
You, on the other hand, are whining about a change to the game that will be resolved in a matter of days, for the better for all of us. Either way, I'm done trying to get through to you, because its obvious to me now you don't care about anyone but your own personal circle.

[Ultrabeast]

NikitaCrocuta, on 06 November 2012 - 05:52 PM, said:

Reality check: Not everyone has the time to gather and meet with fixed groupings or friends, or use a third party program to "have fun" in a game. Most of my online friends live in other timezones,

Here's a tip: It takes far less time to download TS3 and join a random drop group than making a forum post complaining about it.

Edited by Ultrabeast, 06 November 2012 - 05:58 PM.

[Leetskeet]

Translation :

Dropped with 4 Artemis LRM boats. Stomped everyone. We're amazing and you all suck.

[Pershaw]

Alaric the Arcane, on 06 November 2012 - 04:14 PM, said:

Nerf 4 mans. They are OP.

He speaketh the truth! =)

[Ultrabeast]

Leetskeet, on 06 November 2012 - 05:58 PM, said:

Translation :

Dropped with 4 Artemis LRM boats. Stomped everyone. We're amazing and you all suck.

Anyone who drops with me knows I only use 9m's with large lasers. Sorry.

[LogicSol]

EdgePain, on 06 November 2012 - 05:46 PM, said:

That's not what the patch notes say. You can still get matched with more premades.

Yet most of the time you will drop with pugs. It's possible doesn't mean it will happen everytime. or even most of the time. Since there are more pug players than premade players it will be filled with pugs more often than not.

[Wildcat]

Ultrabeast, on 06 November 2012 - 04:11 PM, said:

You guys have removed our fun, and things are exactly the same. Congrats.

Does anyone READ the Patch Notes ?!?!?!?!

This is ONLY the first Stage............. 2nd and 3rd Stages are very soon to follow............ Match Maker is more Fair now, at least you dont have a full group of 8 Premades....

You are also fighting other groups of 4 Premade Teams FYI........


Just wait until the Fixes are in place for 8 Premades vs 8 Premades and lets see how Cocky you are then....

Edited by Wildcat, 06 November 2012 - 06:04 PM.

[Odins Fist]

"Just Stomped 20 Pugs In A Row With Ease With Only 4 Man Team".... "NAH"... Haven't seen it happen yet today..
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[DraigUK]

Don't you guys even try or something? It only takes 3 of us.

[Kraven Kor]

Tonight's PUG matches - Ran 7. Won 3, lost 4. Two losses were 8/1 IIRC.

Tonight's premade matches, mostly with 4 players - 10 matches, 6 wins, 4 losses. Two of those wins were 8/1 or 7/1 with cap. One of the losses was a stomp, at the hands of some Artemis'd Atlas LRM boats. I called it one way, things went another, bad day.

[USMC Iceman]

Ya you can get some good four man groups... but you still have to roll the dice if your guys are not on line or you have 1 or 2 players running 6 year old computers. Black screen, 4 fps over and over from these guys....

I can't wait until they have 8 man back.

[River Walker]

Yah i seen just how leet the op was 4 streak cats oh and we had team last night that hack to get 8 man teams using a known bug in the team mach up.
most of then drop with streak cats, oh how leet you guys are.

[Joseph Mallan]

Mr 144, on 06 November 2012 - 04:41 PM, said:

So fun for you 'requires' the social interaction of more than 3 others at a time? ...for two whole weeks...hmmmm

Mr 144

4 guys Beer and battle = fun. 8 guys Beer and battle = A party! I miss our Plan B shenanigans nights

[DerSpecht]

Ultrabeast, on 06 November 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:

This is a game, it's about having fun.

Lol.. what a hypocrite you are.

Edited by DerSpecht, 21 November 2012 - 10:36 AM.

[Corwin111]

Stoindrae, on 06 November 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

Just a guess... 4 LRM boats?

Lol... you haven't played lately, have you?

[RedHairDave]

i was really hoping to get away from puggers, they just dont play the same game we do. all the posts here saying, "lol lrm spam, lol of course you win". i dont think anyone who is decent at the game considered doing that. why puggers think that would be effective is beyond me. they are just confused as to what it takes to win, i can only assume that they are coming from other games, and trying to play this one, like those. its so funny when playing, and you see half the enemy team take cover, thinking that is somehow helpful, while we kill the other half of their team easy. this game, ist WOT, stop taking cover. you have to keep your dps on the enemy, if the enemy has its dps aimed at ANY of your team. its 8 hp pools vs 8 hp pools. if your team attacks and you sit back saying, im not attacking, i might get a scratch. your doing it wrong.

just game after game, all winning, i cant wait for 8v8 to come back, its all i loved about the game. the 4 man drops are alight, the 8 man pug stompings were kinda fun, at least there were 8 people all having fun together. 8V8 though, thats where this game shines. you get 16 people, all good, all understand the game, all work together no matter what. its like art.

Edited by RedHairDave, 21 November 2012 - 10:52 AM.

[Sevaradan]

RedHairDave, on 21 November 2012 - 10:44 AM, said:

i was really hoping to get away form puggers, they just dont play the same game we do. all the posts here saying, "lol lrm spam, lol of course you win". i dont think anyone who is decent at the game considered doing that. why puggers think that would be effective is beyond me. they are just confused as to what it takes to win, i can only assume that they are coming from other games, and trying to play this one, like those. its so funny when playing, and you see half the enemy team take cover, thinking that is somehow helpful, while we kill the other half of their team easy. this game, ist WOT, stop taking cover. you have to keep your dps on the enemy, if the enemy has its dps aimed at ANY of your team. its 8 hp pools vs 8 hp pools. if your team attacks and you sit back saying, im not attacking, i might get a scratch. your doing it wrong.

Could try doing what I've been doing since the lack of patch, run the most abusive mechs you own and stomp the **** out of the pugglings and post "this pug stomp brought to you courtesy of PGI failing to bring back 8 man teams" and hopefully get them to cry enough that PGI makes phase 2 a priority for the next patch.