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[Chuckie]

Domoneky, on 16 April 2012 - 08:06 AM, said:

I see what you guys did there....Corean? Destruction of Gauss Rifle? is this in anyway similar to the failed missle test by the North Koreans?

Nope.. as everyone knows the North Koreans in BT Lore would be the Cappellans

Edited by Chuckie, 16 April 2012 - 09:53 AM.

[Dihm]

Skylarr, on 16 April 2012 - 09:47 AM, said:

The AS7-K's Gauss is located in the Right Torso. The torso has 21 points of internal Structure and is protected by a CASE. If the weapon is hit it only does 20 points internal. If there less that 20 points iun that torso the CASE redirects the blast away from the Mech. This explosion also has the posiblity of generating possible Crits. Per TT rules the max allowed from a single Die roll is 3. The problem is that the Mech has an XL Engine. This means that the engine takes up 3 three crit slots in each of its 3 torso. According to the TT rules every time a Mech loses 3 engine Crit Slot the engine has a chance that it may explode.

Also, losing 3 Crit Slots means the Mech will shut down.

I do not have a Rule Book in front of me. Can anyone varify this.

FYI, it's experimental, not the finalized version that blows and only does 20 points of damage. Also, Rule of Cool. Also, fluff: doesn't have to follow to the letter table top rules.

Any mech that takes 3 engine hits is destroyed. It requires 4 engine hits in a single turn for the minute chance of a catastrophic failure.

[Gigaton]

It is stil quite unlikely to get cored from that one gauss rfile explosion. Since you are left with a whole 1 point of internal structure.

Dihm, on 16 April 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:

FYI, it's experimental, not the finalized version that blows and only does 20 points of damage. Also, Rule of Cool. Also, fluff: doesn't have to follow to the letter table top rules.

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Does this mean it was FRR sabotage?

Edited by Gigaton, 16 April 2012 - 09:58 AM.

[Dihm]

It's a fluff tweet guys.

[Adridos]

Chuckie, on 16 April 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:

Nope.. as everyone knows the North Koreans in BT Lore would be the Cappellans

Nope, Koreans live in Kuritan space, which proves him partly right.

I wonder if they still use the same crappy system as today, being that little annoying, but poisonous, bug.

[Strum Wealh]

Also, the other thing about CASE (relating back to Skylarr's post):

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If ammo (or any other explosive component, such as a gauss rifle) in a CASE-equipped location explodes, it damages the internal structure in that location. Any excess damage simply dissipates, rather than transferring to an additional internal structure location.

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If an ammo explosion transfers into a location protected by CASE, the internal structure in that location takes damage as normal. All excess damage is dissipated, as above. For example, if an Inner Sphere ’Mech suffered an arm ammo explosion and damage transferred to a side torso equipped with CASE, the internal structure of the side torso would suffer damage as normal, and then the excess damage would harmlessly blow out the CASE panels.

(Total Warfare, pg. 133-134)

CASE doesn't prevent the internal damage (or resulting critical hits) to the location it protects; it only prevents the transference of additional damage to adjacent (following the rules for damage transfer) sections.

Edited by Strum Wealh, 16 April 2012 - 10:14 AM.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Dihm, on 16 April 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

It's a fluff tweet guys.

FIE!

It's a demonstration of how an internalized side-torso explosion from a capacitor failure can cause damage to the engine of XL-engine-equipped Mechs.

Also, the chassis was probably intact enough to make it worth scrapping for part and major structural components rather than completely asploded into gibs.

[EDMW CSN]

Some ***** stick gum into the gauss capacitors again ?

[DARK GUARDIAN]

MAYBE THE EXPLOSION FORM THE GUASS RIFLE CAUSE AN AMMUNITION BIN FOR ANOTHER WEAPONS SYSTEM TO EXPLODE. SORTA LIKE HAVEING A FIREWORKS STAND NEXT TO A GAS STATION, CHAIN REACTON. JUST A THOUGHT.

[Gigaton]

There isn't any ammo in AS7-K's RT where the gauss rifle is, Dark Guardian. So only (TT) way to get destroyed from just the exploding gauss rifle is to roll 12 on 2D6 and then roll 3 engine crits.

(Edit) And yes, this is all positively hilarious overanalyzation. I still think Dhim was behind this incident, since he tried to defend the possibility of simple accident (the viking probably set off the LRM ammo in LT).

Edited by Gigaton, 16 April 2012 - 10:29 AM.

[Dihm]

[Garth Erlam]

Paul did it.

[Threat Doc]

Hey, guys, I wasn't trying to start a row about this... my comment was meant to be ironic, or at least somewhat funny. See, Garth, I didn't do it this time... this is other folks taking it way too seriously.

Paul did it? Well, THAT explains the whole ordeal, then, hehe.

[Shadis]

The gauss rifle is a magentic propellant weapon, its ammo is nothing more then glorified lead slugs. No chemical propellant. So an ammo explosion, much less one that could take out and Atlas. I agree. FOUL!! Sounds like they need to up their security!

[Skylarr]

Since the Gauss Rifle fires solid metal slugs, with neither propellant nor explosive, Gauss Rifle magazines are not susceptible to ammunition explosions. However, if the weapon itself is struck by enemy fire, the capacitors that power the electromagnets will release their stored energy, with an effect similar to an ammo explosion. (In game terms, a critical hit on a Gauss Rifle is equivalent to a 20-point ammo explosion.) Some 'Mechs employ CASE in the section containing the Gauss Rifle to protect internal components in the event the weapon explodes.

[Cutsman]

Shadis, on 16 April 2012 - 10:58 AM, said:

The gauss rifle is a magentic propellant weapon, its ammo is nothing more then glorified lead slugs. No chemical propellant. So an ammo explosion, much less one that could take out and Atlas. I agree. FOUL!! Sounds like they need to up their security!

Agreed, ideally an ammo explosion wouldn't occur... for the gauss ammo at least.

Not entirely sure how a gauss rifle could even explode by itself. Aren't they electromagnetic for the most part?

Edit: Beaten to the punch, see reply above.

Edited by Cutsman, 16 April 2012 - 11:03 AM.

[verybad]

Well despite fighting for the Draconis Combine, I must acknowledge the fact that our manufacturers are fond of "beta testing" in the field. They've got a habit of sending flawed products out early in order to beat other manufacturers to the market. While this results in our warriors getting access to advanced technology quicker than those of many other states, sometimes that technology "detonates".

I had a friend killed in a Mauler test when hit Extended range lasers wouldn't stop firing and the heat caused a detonation of the ammunition onboard. His widow is now well supported by the laser companyfor life however. So all is good.

Cutsman, on 16 April 2012 - 11:02 AM, said:

Agreed, ideally an ammo explosion wouldn't occur... for the gauss ammo at least.

Not entirely sure how a gauss rifle could even explode by itself. Aren't they electromagnetic for the most part?

Edit: Beaten to the punch, see reply above.

Capacitors are highly explosive. The ammount of energy stored in something like an electromagnetic weapon is extreme. This is a real life fact, not somethign made up for the game. A capacitor cn cause large explosions as the energy overwhelms materials ability to hold it, and vaporizes, the vaporization expands rapidly, causng an explosion.

Edited by verybad, 16 April 2012 - 12:00 PM.

[Gun Bear]

What really happened is I took that ***** out with my PPC

[ZnSeventeen]

Okay, the AS7-K has CASE. But it has an XL engine. Why bother? If the CASE goes, the whole mech goes.

[Jaegerwolf]

ZnSeventeen, on 16 April 2012 - 02:40 PM, said:

Okay, the AS7-K has CASE. But it has an XL engine. Why bother? If the CASE goes, the whole mech goes.

It's a matter of logistics concerns rather then tactical concerns. Yes that Atlas is going to be combat ineffective, but the CASE keeps the explosion contained so that other equipment in the center torso, like the rest of the engine or the gyro, are not damaged so the Mech will be easier to repair once recovered.