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[Obikirk]

Pretty much what the title says! Ive only really played mechwarrior 2 and 4 so my experience of the game is pretty limited. I was looking forward to hopefully playing recon, but mabye using the medium mechs. Given that in lore the dragon can outpace the centurion and hunchback by some 20km/h do you think this will be viable in MW:O?

[pursang]

Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: Yyyyeeessss.

Your role isn't dictated by what 'Mech you bring, but what role you chose/modules you use.

Edited by pursang, 18 April 2012 - 02:42 AM.

[LordDeathStrike]

a swifter ac 5 lrm 10 dragon makes a good "big" scout mech if you install electronics for that role. itll take alot more punishment then say, the jenner hehe. and at the same time, it carries good long range harrassment weapons (ac and lrms, low heat, decent punch, just bring enough ammo!)

my large open map atlas will be a scout. it shall carry a guass rifle, 2 large lasers, lrm 20, 7x scout zoom, ams and if it has mod slots for it, bap/ecm/c3 so i can relay what i see to the team. in the mean time ill be zooming view and plinking targets in the cockpits with large laser and guass fire and lrm 20 salvos.

she aint fast but shes a brick shithouse fortress for armor and firepowah.

Edited by LordDeathStrike, 18 April 2012 - 02:49 AM.

[100mile]

pursang, on 18 April 2012 - 02:41 AM, said:

Your role isn't dictated by what 'Mech you bring, but what role you chose/modules you use.

Not true...Different mechs have different base capabilities. You can't just jam anything you want into any mech you want. So what mech you use will be important to what role you partake in...That being said some mediums will have the necessary slots availabe to put the correcyt modules in to use them as recon...

[MagnusEffect]

Fast mediums have always been an option in the BT and even MW franchises. The Dragon is actually considered a heavy mech (60t-75t is the heavy class) but performs very similarly to that of a medium mech. From what I can tell, the devs are pretty intimate on what is appropraite for MWO. I think we can count on some solid scouts among the heavier weight classes (aka heavy scouts).

Personally, I'm hoping to see the Cicada and Assassin... excellent examples.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Cicada
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Assassin

When the Clans come, we will likely see the Shadow Cat at some point I'm sure.

Oh! And the Strider... love the strider.

(can you tell I'm a fan as well )

Edited by MagnusEffect, 18 April 2012 - 03:02 AM.

[Stormeris]

oh course, scorpion 55ton quad imo would make a nice medium scout/scout hunter/harraser :3

[LordDeathStrike]

MagnusEffect, on 18 April 2012 - 02:54 AM, said:

Fast mediums (and some heavies) have always been an option in the BT and even MW franchises. From what I can tell, the devs are pretty intimate on what is appropraite for MWO. I think we can count on some solid scouts among the medium class (aka heavy scouts).

Personally, I'm hoping to see the Cicada and Assassin... excellent examples.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Cicada
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Assassin

When the Clans come, we will likely see the Shadow Cat at some point I'm sure.

Oh! And the Strider... love the strider.

(can you tell I'm a fan as well )

and since we know steiner and davion are in game, we know the atlas scout will be not only viable, but dominating!

stormeris, on 18 April 2012 - 02:57 AM, said:

oh course, scorpion 55ton quad imo would make a nice medium scout/scout hunter/harraser :3

until it takes a hit to a leg, of which there are 4 to hit instead of 2, increasing its chance of being speed crippled by 100%.

[Stormeris]

LordDeathStrike, on 18 April 2012 - 02:58 AM, said:

until it takes a hit to a leg, of which there are 4 to hit instead of 2, increasing its chance of being speed crippled by 100%.

Well i doubt it would get immediatelly legged after losing one leg, pretty sure they could be able to move at moderate mobility with 3 legs, well much faster than a jenner on one leg dont ya think?

Also i believe Medium's legs probably more armored than the legs on bipeds...not sure though, if someone, with more knowledge in lore, could verify it

[pursang]

100mile, on 18 April 2012 - 02:49 AM, said:

Not true...Different mechs have different base capabilities. You can't just jam anything you want into any mech you want. So what mech you use will be important to what role you partake in...That being said some mediums will have the necessary slots availabe to put the correcyt modules in to use them as recon...

Well of course, I thought hardpoints where a given here.

[MagnusEffect]

stormeris, on 18 April 2012 - 03:02 AM, said:

Also i believe Medium's legs probably more armored than the legs on bipeds...not sure though, if someone, with more knowledge in lore, could verify it

Maximum armor on legs of bipeds and quads are the same. And yeah... due to their reliance of evenly displacing their weight across four legs, a quad has double the chances of mobility (movement speed) malfunctions. This of course is balanced by their superior lateral movement (which I think is what most fans of quads are hoping for if quads finally make it to MWO) and hiding behind low obstacles reduces risk to leg damage.

Edited by MagnusEffect, 18 April 2012 - 03:12 AM.

[Soviet Alex]

Obikirk, on 18 April 2012 - 02:31 AM, said:

Pretty much what the title says! Ive only really played mechwarrior 2 and 4 so my experience of the game is pretty limited. I was looking forward to hopefully playing recon, but mabye using the medium mechs. Given that in lore the dragon can outpace the centurion and hunchback by some 20km/h do you think this will be viable in MW:O?

The scouting role can be filled by any pilot, in any mech. How good a mech is for scouting is another question. I'm not sure that the standard-tech Centurion & Hunchback are fast enough. As stated above, the Dragon will make a good heavy scout or scout-hunter. Once we unlock XL-engines, even a Catapult scout would be viable. The Exterminator is a good example of how big a scout mech can get.
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Exterminator

[MagnusEffect]

Oh and just fyi... if you are interested in maximum potential (according to BT construction rules anyway), 55 tons is the sweet spot for heavy scouts (w/ max speed of 85kph). After considering engine weight, internal structure, components and armor, I think 60 and 55 ton mechs are about the same in terms of spare weight for weapon loadout, but the 55 tonners have the advantage of their jumpjets are half the weight. Of course if you don't have JJs, its obviously not an issue. For mechs with 96kph, I think the ideal weight is 40-45 tons (I forget which). Oddly, it is roughly the same for max speeds of 130 kph. (again.. a bit fuzzy on the exact figures).

From what has been gathered so far, I'm guessing the devs are probably going to follow something close to BT/Mech2/Mech3 construction rules. This is a good thing. The Mech4 rules were garbage.

The above figures are also NOT including XL Engines (which tweaks the figures slightly up in tonnages)

Edited by MagnusEffect, 18 April 2012 - 03:45 AM.

[Infine]

Can mediums be scouts? Bah!

Here's a Lyrian scout lance joke gone horribly right http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Charger

And you say mediums...

[Soviet Alex]

To the Lyrans, the Charger IS a medium mech.

[EDMW CSN]

Soviet Alex, on 18 April 2012 - 03:42 AM, said:

To the Lyrans, the Charger IS a medium mech.

Commando and Wolfhounds are just battle armor !

[SideSt3p]

I certaintly think so Especially since this is a role I'm hoping to fill!

My hopes for a Scout Role are (and I realize that none of these have been released yet, but something to hope for!):

-Wolfhound (I know it's a Light 'Mech...but damn is it built and sexy)
-Grand Dragon (Dragon but with my weapon favs: PPC/Meds/LRMs)
-Wraith (Large Pulses/Medium Pulses, 119 KM/H, Jump Jets! On a 55 tonner! I'm in heaven!)

But we'll have to wait, and see what we can do with what we're given. Either way, I think we're going to see some awesome varients coming out of the MechLab

[Vandul]

Leave to to a Davion to ask that question.

[Breeze]

We have to keep in mind that information gathered can degrade. Which means for a mech in a recon role, it's not enough to speed ahead and catch a quick glimpse of the enemy then fade away. You'll need mechs with a little bit more staying power to maintain that constant feed of information, so I'd say that there's definitely opportunity for medium mechs to take up a recon role.

Plus I'm assuming medium mechs have more room for recon equipment/modules, which we already know is important to getting additional layers of information.

So while light mechs can quickly zoom around gathering lots of little bits of information, I see the medium recon mech has a role in securing quality information.

[Felicitatem Parco]

I have always liked the dual role of Heavy-Scout/Scout-Hunter, so I hope we have some kind of Fast Medium by launch time. So far we do not have a fast medium, and the only Heavy-Scout/Scout-Hunter option thus far is the Dragon.

I think this will change; The Centurian and Hunchback are both slower than dirt, so they should mix it up soon.

[William Petersen]

LordDeathStrike, on 18 April 2012 - 02:58 AM, said:

and since we know steiner and davion are in game, we know the atlas scout will be not only viable, but dominating!


until it takes a hit to a leg, of which there are 4 to hit instead of 2, increasing its chance of being speed crippled by 100%.

Still ignorant of how quads function, I see.