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[waysted]

Naqel, on 11 November 2012 - 01:04 PM, said:

Pay to Win? Not at all.

Needlessly heavy on grind and overpriced? Absolutely.

Heavy on grind? Overpriced? LOL...the grind & pricing compared to WoT is pathetically easy. The only annoyance with the pricing right now is once I've unlocked an upgrade on a mech that I then have to pay if I want to downgrade that mech.

[Joseph Mallan]

No. I wouldn't.

[Kadassa]

Pay 2 win? No...the only mech you can't buy with Cbills is the YLW and it only gives you a boost on exp and cbill earnings...you can kill em if you stay out of range of that AC20 >;p so either shell out $15 bucks and buy a mech or keep grinding kid!

[Dragonslayer Ornstein]

There is nothing they can get with cash that you can't get with C-bill ingame currency. They aren't in supermechs that they bought with money. Many have finished the grind with their trials, bought their new mechs with Cbills, and customized them with Cbills that they earned. A person who has MC does not get access to special, more powerful weapons, or mech variants with different hardpoints or capabilities. Everything they can get, you can get. The only difference is that if they buy it with money, they get it quicker and don't have to grind. That's not pay to win. That's "pay to save time and effort" at most.

Allow me to remind you that even if they can buy a new mech with their MC cash (the same kind of mech YOU could buy if you played your Trial enough to save up some C-bills for it) they can't use MC to buy equipment to customize it. They still have to grind for a while to get enough money to buy the engine, weapons, and equipment that they want. In many cases, this can cost more than the mech chassis itself cost. So even if they use MC they still have to grind for a while.

So no, your conclusion doesn't hold up, and is likely the result of inexperience with the game and refusal to accept that you are not good at it yet. Like any game, you have to practice to get better. Let me emphasize again, the Trial mech variants are identical to the ones that they can buy with real money. There is no difference between them. They can customize theirs, but so can you once you earn enough Cbills to get one. The playing field is equal once you reach that point..

[One Medic Army]

Calculus, on 11 November 2012 - 12:59 PM, said:

I havent earnt a single cbill yet because i'm always wiped out by a paid mech!

Losses still give you cbills, you also gain cbills for several things you can do prior to dying:
dealing damage
getting assists
getting kills
spotting targets

The trial mechs themselves aren't bad, they are serviceable, but the steep learning curve combined with the stock mechs (all stock mechs tend to be sub-optimal) means people in trial mechs tend to die fast and frequently.
Remember when you see someone with a Founder's tag or an owned mech kicking *** that they've probably been playing much longer. Spectate them after death if you want to pick up some tricks.

Naqel, on 11 November 2012 - 01:04 PM, said:

Pay to Win? Not at all.

Needlessly heavy on grind and overpriced? Absolutely.

That's something I can agree on. Even with founder mechs and premium, plus running inexpensive (repair+rearm cost) mechs I still only make about 800,000-1,000,000 an hour, which means 10 hours of gameplay to buy a new mech and fit it out. This is playing in 4-man teams and having a win ratio of about 75%.
Without a team backing me up, or premium it'd probably be closer to 20 hours to buy and fit out a new mech.

Edited by One Medic Army, 11 November 2012 - 01:12 PM.

[Rotaugen]

Calculus, on 11 November 2012 - 12:59 PM, said:

I havent earnt a single cbill yet because i'm always wiped out by a paid mech!

Blatant trolling...

[River Walker]

Naqel, on 11 November 2012 - 01:04 PM, said:

Pay to Win? Not at all.

Needlessly heavy on grind and overpriced? Absolutely.

I agree Play to win it is not but the grind is just silly. Get read of the house Mechs and give New player Raven or Commando with a one million in Cbill to start out with.

[Alois Hammer]

Calculus, on 11 November 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

So would you agree the game is a pay-2-win?

Nope. Not in the least.

[OxHR]

No. Unlike other F2P game in this one you can get the best possible option(Mech) in a few days of game play. You even get free trial mechs to test before buyin and you get all you have earned in battle, there is no spending money on repairs or rearming. They are a bit weak but I see that as a bonus since it forces new players to play carefully and stick to the team.

[Calculus]

Well even so, I would have rather paid just a one-off payment to get the game, like most games, and then whilst in game, you earn Xp to level up and gain available parts and so forth, but starting out new as an 'OBT' against players who have paid for CBills and have already got high level mechs is difficult to win any match.

[The Amazing Atomic Spaniel]

It's not that the more experienced players win because they have better mechs (although sometimes they do), it's mostly just because they are more experienced.

This is particularly so in a game where there is almost nothing available in the way of help for starting players (like an off-line test mode) so you get thrown in straight away with people who have played hundreds of matches. The new players end up trying to work out how to group weapons, what all the HUD symbology means or see how far they can push the heat, all while people shoot Gauss rifles at their heads. The results are predictable. Best to see it as character building and accept that there will be a tough start. However, the game can be great fun, so please persevere!

In any case, sure, it's nice to be able to customise your own mech, but many of the trial mechs are far from useless. There is an Atlas available now as a trial, which is pretty intimidating. Before that there was a 2LL, 2LRM15 Awesome which was OK. Almost any of the trial light mechs can give heavy/assault drivers a hard time as well.

[Justin Xang Allard]

Vulix, on 11 November 2012 - 12:57 PM, said:

No, because you can buy almost everything in cbills, it just takes longer to do than buying it in mc

edit: additionally, dying in trial mechs is probably more due to inexperience of players who pilot trial mechs than the mechs themselves.

/Agree

[Wraith05]

Calculus, on 11 November 2012 - 01:11 PM, said:

Well even so, I would have rather paid just a one-off payment to get the game, like most games, and then whilst in game, you earn Xp to level up and gain available parts and so forth, but starting out new as an 'OBT' against players who have paid for CBills and have already got high level mechs is difficult to win any match.

If this is true, then drop $60 to buy MC. Then use the MC to buy whatever you want your "starter" mech to be. Then unlock all others by playing the game and earning Cbills/xp.

[Lampshade 1]

You need to watch some videos and read up on the forums. The mechs you're getting wiped out by aren't bought with real money- they're bought with C-Bills. There is no advantage that you can gain from paying other than earning C-Bills faster than non-paying members. There are no over-powered mechs either, all of the mechs are fairly balanced out so far. My theory is- wait for it- you are a new player, and would probably be stomped by a decent pilot using a trail mech, even if you yourself were in an OMGWTFBBQ over-powered supermech. /endthread

[Alois Hammer]

Calculus, on 11 November 2012 - 01:11 PM, said:

Well even so, I would have rather paid just a one-off payment to get the game, like most games, and then whilst in game, you earn Xp to level up and gain available parts and so forth, but starting out new as an 'OBT' against players who have paid for CBills and have already got high level mechs is difficult to win any match.

Why the fixation on real money though? Players who did the grind and have custom-outfitted mechs are just as lethal, which rather nullifies your whole bogus "pay to win" hypothesis.

[One Medic Army]

Calculus, on 11 November 2012 - 01:11 PM, said:

Well even so, I would have rather paid just a one-off payment to get the game, like most games, and then whilst in game, you earn Xp to level up and gain available parts and so forth, but starting out new as an 'OBT' against players who have paid for CBills and have already got high level mechs is difficult to win any match.

I bought 2 mechs and fit them out with my C-bill earnings, I haven't spent any of the MC I got for being a founder yet.
I do have the founder's mechs, however that was just a stepping stone until I could purchase the mech I really wanted (Hunchback-SP).

In fact, even the people who bought mechs with MC still need C-bills to bring them from stock config (like a trial mech) to custom config. The only way to turn MC into C-bills is to buy a mech with MC and sell it or parts from it for Cbills.

Edited by One Medic Army, 11 November 2012 - 01:21 PM.

[ollo]

In the current state of economy, one can field builds that are only viable with premium. So with this exception of P2W, the game is mostly F2P.

[SeaWolf2k]

Calculus, on 11 November 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

So would you agree the game is a pay-2-win?

No, No I would not

[Calculus]

Yeah... but you can buy C-bills with real money?

[dF0X]

Can we get a mod to close this thread please? I'm sure there must be other p2w threads that could have been referenced, and it isn't like this thread has any new info or pov.