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[Vassago Rain]

Mercules, on 14 November 2012 - 11:25 AM, said:

So you are agreeing with me? You suck in a Commando? K'thanks.

No, quite the opposite. But the mech is so bad, it limits what I can do.

Edited by Vassago Rain, 14 November 2012 - 11:28 AM.

[Raminae]

All iN, on 12 November 2012 - 05:55 PM, said:

Well apart from being a one shot fun firework for my double gauss, it has a hand mounted energy slot - with some skill it *could* be a precise weapon.

But, no, it is terrible. Only the lagshield ones are annoying, becasue of well, lagshield.

I love seeing Commandos when I'm walking around in my YLW. Fun watching them explode form a single AC20 to the head.

[Mercules]

Joseph Mallan, on 14 November 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:

So what you are showing is that a Commando is a pretty good kill stealer? You did the 3rd highest damage on your team, but racked the most kills. In fact two members on your OpSide out scored(damage) you without a kill. Don't get me wrong it's good that you made sure the enemy died, but don't brag about your achievements until you earned them.

The one guy with 499 looks like he is likely LRM support from the stats alone. Hard to tell the whole story from the scorecard but it is very likely that yes his team did significant damage to them and he finished them off. Very likely a bigger mech caught someone with their back to them, smacked them, but then couldn't exploit the weakness that a Light mech could. That doesn't mean a Jenner couldn't do the same thing, but it does show that a Commando is not "worthless" as people want to claim.

I've gotten numerous kills in Jenners and Commandos. My Founder's is a Jenner but I tend to play it only until I have enough money to buy my Commando and customize it(stock ones suck) but I still very much prefer the feel and do better in a Commando. No amount of comparing numbers on a chart is going to change the fact I pilot a Commando with more success than I pilot a Jenner, ergo I am worth more to my team in a Commando.

[Joseph Mallan]

Donalbain, on 14 November 2012 - 11:27 AM, said:

That's kind of the point though. The mech's superior speed and precision are ideal for quickly going after stragglers and finishing them much more quickly than they would if you were not there. That's a big contribution to the team. Total damage done is not nearly as important as K/D, especially when you can get 'kill steals' consistently. The point is, if you are trying to take down a full health Atlas with a Commando without any support you are probably wasting your time. You will probably win that match up by the way and might even rack up more damage done, but you'll waste 15 minutes and miss the opportunity to take down several other mechs who tried to disengage from other fights and succeeded since you weren't there to stop them.

And you can't do that in a Jenner or a Hunchie or Cicada? I'm not trying to put the poster down, but landing a final shot does not make the Mech good, it makes the pilot good. K/D isn't nearly as important as Assists. The teams that win most have the higher amount of assists... with exception of quick capping.

[Mercules]

Vassago Rain, on 14 November 2012 - 11:28 AM, said:

No, quite the opposite. But the mech is so bad, it limits what I can do.

Results may vary... I feel the exact opposite towards the Jenner. I preform much better in the supposedly "bad" mech.

Joseph Mallan, on 14 November 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

And you can't do that in a Jenner or a Hunchie or Cicada? I'm not trying to put the poster down, but landing a final shot does not make the Mech good, it makes the pilot good. K/D isn't nearly as important as Assists. The teams that win most have the higher amount of assists... with exception of quick capping.

And he had 4 kills and 4 assists. That means he touched every single enemy mech during the battle.

No one said you can't do that in the other mech. YOU however are saying you can't in a Commando.

[Sweetlovin]

Mercules, on 14 November 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

Results may vary... I feel the exact opposite towards the Jenner. I preform much better in the supposedly "bad" mech.

No way. I apologize to all of the above gentlemen, but...

My weiner is the biggest.

[xhrit]

I used a Commando exclusively as my main mech until they added the Raven. The Commando was a very fun mech, but Raven is better because the Ravens got CHICKEN LEGS!

Yes, chicken legs.

That is also why the Raven is better then the Jenner.

Edited by xhrit, 14 November 2012 - 11:47 AM.

[Grizley]

Cpt Grunge, on 14 November 2012 - 09:16 AM, said:

I have been playing since MW2, and an experienced pilot can do any JJ's can do for a beginner (most definitely like yourself) without them.

I'm done arguing with you stop commenting, neither of us R going to change our opinion, no point in arguing.

That wasn't even a sentence.

Do you mean an experienced pilot can do anything without JJs that he can with? Because that is asinine.

I'm not sure if English is a second language to you so I'm not going to be too hard on that, but you're not making sense. I will get on you for using letters instead of words. If you want people to spend the time reading what you write you should take the time to type the whole word.

Djarid, on 14 November 2012 - 07:52 AM, said:

I've just read the later posts in this thread and frankly I'm surprised at the attitude of many here. Yes on paper the Jenner appears the better Mech and lets be honest it has it merits (Jump Jets) but even though it out masses the Commando it simply doesn't out class it, at least not in the hands of a competent pilot.

I'm not claiming to beat every Jenner or Cicada I come across and sure and equally competent Jenner Pilot with an equally tricked out mech might beat me, but only if he doesn't try to take me the way he takes out bigger mechs.

I love fighting Jenners, too often, once they realise they aren't going to win the circle fight, they try to run and get burned in the rear torso

Also to those extolling the superior firepower of the Jenner, the commando doesn't have to out damage you, we just have to remove enough armour to core you, while ensuring you keep missing us.

I hindsight, the contempt on here for Commandos is actually heartening, it means you will under estimate us

You will never beat a competent Jenner pilot in a Commando. Never. The Jenner can turn instantly, the Commando turns like a car.

[Rokuzachi]

Mercules, on 14 November 2012 - 10:16 AM, said:

This is not true. The traditional role for Commando and Jenner mechs is "Light Striker".

This will become true when the netcode is fixed.

On that day, there are going to be a lot of confused Commando and Jenner pilots.

"How I die at 130kph?"

I think it's going to be difficult for lights to do little more than a quick pass at a heavily armed opponent, instead of the ridiculous circling with misplaced hitboxes that happens now.

Edited by Rokuzachi, 14 November 2012 - 11:44 AM.

[Phelan Ward-Kell]

Mechs are like women: Put them in the right hands, treat 'em right, and they'll do anything you ask of them.
Put them into the hands of someone who will abuse them, and you're in for a lot of pain.

The Commando is a very capable mech. It has weakness, like any mech, but in the right hands it is as potent as any mech.

[xhrit]

Oh, I use the Raven with JJ for sure. Jets are 100% win.

PROOF OF HOW AWESOME THE RAVEN IS:

Edited by xhrit, 14 November 2012 - 11:44 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Mercules, on 14 November 2012 - 11:38 AM, said:

Results may vary... I feel the exact opposite towards the Jenner. I preform much better in the supposedly "bad" mech.



And he had 4 kills and 4 assists. That means he touched every single enemy mech during the battle.

No one said you can't do that in the other mech. YOU however are saying you can't in a Commando.

No Im saying his performance isn't as impressive as it looks. I can fire a single weapon at every enemy on the map. Ping them and I assisted, I can get 5 kills but only do 200 damage If i only fire on severely damaged enemies. Yes it is helpful, yes it is team playing, but it is showing the pilots skill not the ride. If I'm not getting my point across properly, I do apologize, I am cranky from reading so many sky is falling threads.

I know every Mech is useful, and that they all can shine. I am only saying that the feat depicted, isn't WOWing me. I guess I see the numbers differently due to a statistics background. I watched a Jenner pilot run up to a pristine Atlas and in under 1:30 ate off both legs. He did that two more time in the same match. Three solo kills all while reporting on dangerous targets to the team. Sorry if that is hard to top.

[Mercules]

Joseph Mallan, on 14 November 2012 - 11:50 AM, said:

No Im saying his performance isn't as impressive as it looks. I can fire a single weapon at every enemy on the map. Ping them and I assisted, I can get 5 kills but only do 200 damage If i only fire on severely damaged enemies. Yes it is helpful, yes it is team playing, but it is showing the pilots skill not the ride. If I'm not getting my point across properly, I do apologize, I am cranky from reading so many sky is falling threads.

I know every Mech is useful, and that they all can shine. I am only saying that the feat depicted, isn't WOWing me. I guess I see the numbers differently due to a statistics background. I watched a Jenner pilot run up to a pristine Atlas and in under 1:30 ate off both legs. He did that two more time in the same match. Three solo kills all while reporting on dangerous targets to the team. Sorry if that is hard to top.

That sounds like a really good pilot. The fact he was in a Jenner doesn't make a Commando an invalid mech. Someone at the start of the thread asked why bother with a Commando when the Jenner is superior. The answer isn't that the Commando is superior to a Jenner, it isn't and I've never claimed that. The answer is that -I- like the feel and extra arm swing of the Commando. I like the load-out. I perform better in it than I do the Jenner. The answer is that for me the Commando is a better choice and that is the POINT. Someone else doing well in a Jenner doesn't negate the point that I perform better in a Commando than a Jenner. That alone is enough of a reason for the mech to exist and be used. End of story.

Rokuzachi, on 14 November 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:

This will become true when the netcode is fixed.

On that day, there are going to be a lot of confused Commando and Jenner pilots.

"How I die at 130kph?"

I think it's going to be difficult for lights to do little more than a quick pass at a heavily armed opponent, instead of the ridiculous circling with misplaced hitboxes that happens now.

While lagshield is not a myth, it exists, I think far to many people blame it for a very simple failure to aim. Lagshield also seems to, in general if the anecdotes are to be believed, affect Jenners far more than Commandos and Ravens.

[Grizley]

Donalbain, on 14 November 2012 - 11:27 AM, said:

That's kind of the point though. The mech's superior speed and precision are ideal for quickly going after stragglers and finishing them much more quickly than they would if you were not there. That's a big contribution to the team. Total damage done is not nearly as important as K/D, especially when you can get 'kill steals' consistently. The point is, if you are trying to take down a full health Atlas with a Commando without any support you are probably wasting your time. You will probably win that match up by the way and might even rack up more damage done, but you'll waste 15 minutes and miss the opportunity to take down several other mechs who tried to disengage from other fights and succeeded since you weren't there to stop them.

Funny, when I see a full health Atlas on it's own in a Jenner I think cool, in 20 seconds the enemy team is down an assault.

3 alpha strikes to the back and it's toast. SRMs scatter too much to hit only a single location, even under 90m. On the other hand 6ML are pinpoint accurate. It's not uncommon to see an Atlas with 100% armor on every location except rear center torso. I think of myself as saving them some money.

[MrPenguin]

xhrit, on 14 November 2012 - 11:44 AM, said:

Oh, I use the Raven with JJ for sure. Jets are 100% win.

PROOF OF HOW AWESOME THE RAVEN IS:

Obviously Photoshopped

Edited by MrPenguin, 14 November 2012 - 12:08 PM.

[Grizley]

Mercules, on 14 November 2012 - 12:06 PM, said:

While lagshield is not a myth, it exists, I think far to many people blame it for a very simple failure to aim. Lagshield also seems to, in general if the anecdotes are to be believed, affect Jenners far more than Commandos and Ravens.

Lag shield is way overblown for people with a good ping. Sometimes I have a harder time hitting someone and look at the scoreboard later and they're sporting a 500+ ping but even then it's not impossible.

I think a lot of the light mechs being hard to hit is that you can only torso twist so fast. Inside 100m the angular velocity of a 140kph light mech is equal or higher than the twist speed of a heavy or assault mech.

[Joseph Mallan]

Mercules, on 14 November 2012 - 12:06 PM, said:

That sounds like a really good pilot. The fact he was in a Jenner doesn't make a Commando an invalid mech. Someone at the start of the thread asked why bother with a Commando when the Jenner is superior. The answer isn't that the Commando is superior to a Jenner, it isn't and I've never claimed that. The answer is that -I- like the feel and extra arm swing of the Commando. I like the load-out. I perform better in it than I do the Jenner. The answer is that for me the Commando is a better choice and that is the POINT. Someone else doing well in a Jenner doesn't negate the point that I perform better in a Commando than a Jenner. That alone is enough of a reason for the mech to exist and be used. End of story.

No but it does inspire my lack of awe for the numbers the Commando pilot posted.

[BOLD comment]And this is all that matters. I get ribbed cause i use a 70 ton Mech's weapon load on a 100 ton Mech. I like it. It works for me. I could care less if the creator of the franchise came and told me I'm doing it wrong. I'm having fun... buggar off! SO if the Commando Pilot is having a great time, what ever my opinion is should not mean a thing to him. Cause in the end it's all about the fun to me.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 14 November 2012 - 12:14 PM.

[Donalbain]

Grizley, on 14 November 2012 - 12:06 PM, said:

Funny, when I see a full health Atlas on it's own in a Jenner I think cool, in 20 seconds the enemy team is down an assault.

3 alpha strikes to the back and it's toast. SRMs scatter too much to hit only a single location, even under 90m. On the other hand 6ML are pinpoint accurate. It's not uncommon to see an Atlas with 100% armor on every location except rear center torso. I think of myself as saving them some money.

Again I never said Commandos are the best at the anti medium / heavy role. Jenners can and usually do pack more pinpoint energy damage and I agree that they are better at more roles than the Commando. 3 streaks won't be as damaging or precise as the laser boat Jenner load out, but they will allow you to generally strike more safely and offer better protection against lights while you do so.

[Mercules]

Joseph Mallan, on 14 November 2012 - 12:13 PM, said:

Cause in the end it's all about the fun to me.

Not really... in the end it is all about everyone having fun. While some might think I am doing them a disservice by showing up in a Commando instead of a Jenner or a Dragon instead of a Catapult, the fact is I will contribute more to the team's success in a mech I preform better in compared to one that is superior on paper, but doesn't fit my play style and thus never reaches it's "potential", so to speak, in my hands.

Edited by Mercules, 14 November 2012 - 12:24 PM.

[Athomahawk]

Stormur Herra, on 12 November 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

So, what does a commando do that other lights and some mediums don't do better?

Brings much greater shame to any mechwarrior you kill than with a jenner or raven, you know, cause the commando is el terrible and stuffs.
Also, REAL MEN GO COMMANDO. That is all.