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[Grizley]

Athomahawk, on 14 November 2012 - 12:29 PM, said:

Also, REAL MEN GO COMMANDO. That is all.

Pfft, real men use the best tool for the job.

The ones who can't afford the best tool go Commando.

[Inkarnus]

Commando does what jenner doesnt keeping a low profile while scouting get alot less hittet
are hard to aim at any specific position its a SCOUT mech not an omfQQwutinstagib jenner
wich will be fixed at some point he does what he should best SCOUT

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

rollermint, on 13 November 2012 - 07:02 PM, said:

The amount of elitism in this thread is pretty disgraceful and embarassing.

And I do wish PGi take notes of the players that quite happily admit that they TK their own team mates just because they drop in a mech they don't like. They should be banned asap.

1) It is not elitist to acknowledge that a piece of trash is a piece of trash.
2) They don't do it just because they don't like the Mech; they do it because the Mech is a piece of trash.
3) If you want players banned due to faulty game design... well luckily for the game you aren't in charge. You're one of the tools that would rather treat a symptom of a problem rather than the root of it. Making the Commando "not" suck would be a far more logical solution but such is beyond your comprehension.

Grizley, on 14 November 2012 - 12:43 PM, said:

Pfft, real men use the best tool for the job.

The ones who can't afford the best tool go Commando.

Correct. The Mech is a beginner's trap because many newbs will buy that cheapest option first... only later will they realize that they are getting stiffed. I especially can't imagine anyone ever wanting to get 3 of these to work variant trees.

[MrPenguin]

1) Hey look guys
2) I put all my opinions and organized them by numbers.
3) This makes them look validated even though they aren't!
4) It also makes me look smarter then I actually am!
5) Pumpkin pie is delicious!

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

MrPenguin, on 14 November 2012 - 01:04 PM, said:

1) Hey look guys
2) I put all my opinions and organized them by numbers.
3) This makes them look validated even though they aren't!
4) It also makes me look smarter then I actually am!
5) Pumpkin pie is delicious!

^ Fail.

[Grizley]

Inkarnus, on 14 November 2012 - 12:51 PM, said:

Commando does what jenner doesnt keeping a low profile while scouting get alot less hittet
are hard to aim at any specific position its a SCOUT mech not an omfQQwutinstagib jenner
wich will be fixed at some point he does what he should best SCOUT

I'm not sure what you think will be 'fixed'. In TT Jenners play much like they do in MWO, they are mobile responders with incredible firepower for their size.

Comparing them to modern equipment Jenners are Apaches. They get to a situation extremely quickly and apply overwhelming firepower until the situation is solved. An Atlas is a MBT, a Cat is a MLRS, etc.

[MrPenguin]

Djarid, on 14 November 2012 - 07:52 AM, said:

I've just read the later posts in this thread and frankly I'm surprised at the attitude of many here. Yes on paper the Jenner appears the better Mech and lets be honest it has it merits (Jump Jets) but even though it out masses the Commando it simply doesn't out class it, at least not in the hands of a competent pilot.

I'm not claiming to beat every Jenner or Cicada I come across and sure and equally competent Jenner Pilot with an equally tricked out mech might beat me, but only if he doesn't try to take me the way he takes out bigger mechs.

I love fighting Jenners, too often, once they realise they aren't going to win the circle fight, they try to run and get burned in the rear torso

Also to those extolling the superior firepower of the Jenner, the commando doesn't have to out damage you, we just have to remove enough armour to core you, while ensuring you keep missing us.

I hindsight, the contempt on here for Commandos is actually heartening, it means you will under estimate us

More posts like this please.

Bluten, on 14 November 2012 - 01:06 PM, said:

^ Fail.

^mad

[DrSecretStache]

Heh. Had the best match a couple of hours ago on Forest Colony. I finally got my COMs to elite, and got the speed tweak for my 2D, so now w/ a 190 engine it goes 132. So anyway, we were fighting and whatnot, when it says base under attack. Understanding that I'm frikken fast, I tell the team that I got it, and head back, and lo and behold, two COMs are standing on base. I immediately think "outnumbered" but then think "ah, hey, I can try it." Where I had 3 streaks, they...didn't have any streaks. In any case, going against both of them by myself, I came out the victor with two smoking mech corpses behind me.

I guess the point is, 1 it depends on your loadout, as this build gets me faster than a stock Jenner for about the price of a stock Jenner , and 2 it depends on your skill. And your playstyle. If you aren't comfortable in the mech you're piloting, it really won't matter what kind of mech it is.

[Mercules]

Bluten, on 14 November 2012 - 01:03 PM, said:

1) It is not elitist to acknowledge that a piece of trash is a piece of trash.

You forgot the "In my opinion." in that sentence. Because that is what it is. The Commando performs fine in the hands of a decent pilot, at least as well as the other scouts. Stating your opinion as fact is an ignorant mistake.

Bluten, on 14 November 2012 - 01:03 PM, said:

2) They don't do it just because they don't like the Mech; they do it because the Mech is a piece of trash.

That Opinion =/= Fact thing just really escapes you, huh?

Bluten, on 14 November 2012 - 01:03 PM, said:

3) If you want players banned due to faulty game design... well luckily for the game you aren't in charge. You're one of the tools that would rather treat a symptom of a problem rather than the root of it. Making the Commando "not" suck would be a far more logical solution but such is beyond your comprehension.

No he wants players banned for breaking the agreed upon rules of the game, the ones that state it is a bannable offense to teamkill. The fact that they are doing so based upon their own skewed bias and deluded into thinking they are not hurting their own game is laughable. What is worse than droping with a poor player or badly designed mech? Dropping with no mech there. That should be easy logic. Crappy mech > no mech. If nothing else it is something for your opponents to shoot at. It isn't as if you lose points because they killed him. In fact you lose money and XP doing it yourself. Double whammy on yourself. Is that smart?

Bluten, on 14 November 2012 - 01:03 PM, said:

Correct. The Mech is a beginner's trap because many newbs will buy that cheapest option first... only later will they realize that they are getting stiffed. I especially can't imagine anyone ever wanting to get 3 of these to work variant trees.

I have a Founder's Jenner. I use it long enough to get a Commando because despite your ~ opinion ~ the Commando plays better for me than the Jenner.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

MrPenguin, on 14 November 2012 - 01:08 PM, said:

^mad

No?

[Grizley]

Zoughtbaj, on 14 November 2012 - 01:10 PM, said:

Heh. Had the best match a couple of hours ago on Forest Colony. I finally got my COMs to elite, and got the speed tweak for my 2D, so now w/ a 190 engine it goes 132. So anyway, we were fighting and whatnot, when it says base under attack. Understanding that I'm frikken fast, I tell the team that I got it, and head back, and lo and behold, two COMs are standing on base. I immediately think "outnumbered" but then think "ah, hey, I can try it." Where I had 3 streaks, they...didn't have any streaks. In any case, going against both of them by myself, I came out the victor with two smoking mech corpses behind me.

I guess the point is, 1 it depends on your loadout, as this build gets me faster than a stock Jenner for about the price of a stock Jenner , and 2 it depends on your skill. And your playstyle.

If you aren't comfortable in the mech you're piloting, it really won't matter what kind of mech it is.

Loadout and customization makes a big difference no doubt. Just keep in mind that somewhere out there is an Elite Jenner pilot with 2 STK 2, 4 med lasers and a top speed of 140+. The hardest part for that pilot in that situation is fighting the raging erection he gets when he sees a pair of Commies without streaks trying to cap his base.

[FLes]

Not sure what the great fuss is... I own in Commando But I'm not going to reveal my secrets to you. LTP

Edited by FLes, 14 November 2012 - 01:22 PM.

[MrPenguin]

Mercules, on 14 November 2012 - 01:12 PM, said:

That Opinion =/= Fact thing just really escapes you, huh?

Bluten, on 14 November 2012 - 01:12 PM, said:

Does not compute Does not compute Does not compute Does not compute Does not compute

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

You forgot the "In my opinion." in that sentence. Because that is what it is. The Commando performs fine in the hands of a decent pilot, at least as well as the other scouts. Stating your opinion as fact is an ignorant mistake.
--It is a fact. The Commando is inferior. It may be "fine" but "fine" doesn't mean equal. Insulting me when I'm very clearly right is what's ignorant here. The Commando literally has NOTHING to bring to the table that the Jenner can't do better. This isn't an opinion. It's a fact. The one thing it did have going for it was a higher speed... but they yanked that out due to the inability to have it work properly in game code. So that 1 thing is now gone. There was nothing else.
Go look at the speed numbers in a chart here and see for yourself:
http://mwomercs.com/...s-excel-inside/

That Opinion =/= Fact thing just really escapes you, huh?
--No? I've made no mistakes between the two.

No he wants players banned for breaking the agreed upon rules of the game, the ones that state it is a bannable offense to teamkill. The fact that they are doing so based upon their own skewed bias and deluded into thinking they are not hurting their own game is laughable. What is worse than droping with a poor player or badly designed mech? Dropping with no mech there. That should be easy logic. Crappy mech > no mech. If nothing else it is something for your opponents to shoot at. It isn't as if you lose points because they killed him. In fact you lose money and XP doing it yourself. Double whammy on yourself. Is that smart?
--You actually have a point here(surprisingly) in that TKing is wrong. But my point was that he doesn't care one bit about how the Mech sucks and needs buffs.(Neither do you, for that matter) You're both ignoring the real problem at hand... which is that the Mech sucks and needs help.


I have a Founder's Jenner. I use it long enough to get a Commando because despite your ~ opinion ~ the Commando plays better for me than the Jenner.
--Good for you. But that doesn't change the ~fact~ that the Jenner is an all around superior choice. If I'm wrong, explain how. But you can't. Because I'm not. You're just running in circles like that other fool. Just because you can get wins with option B doesn't mean it's as good as option A. Just an fyi.

MrPenguin, on 14 November 2012 - 01:26 PM, said:

You mad?

Edited by Bluten, 14 November 2012 - 01:29 PM.

[MrPenguin]

Bluten, on 14 November 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

You forgot the "In my opinion." in that sentence. Because that is what it is. The Commando performs fine in the hands of a decent pilot, at least as well as the other scouts. Stating your opinion as fact is an ignorant mistake.
--It is a fact. The Commando is inferior. It may be "fine" but "fine" doesn't mean equal. Insulting me when I'm very clearly right is what's ignorant here. The Commando literally has NOTHING to bring to the table that the Jenner can't do better. This isn't an opinion. It's a fact. The one thing it did have going for it was a higher speed... but they yanked that out due to the inability to have it work properly in game code. So that 1 thing is now gone. There was nothing else.
Go look at the speed numbers in a chart here and see for yourself:
http://mwomercs.com/...s-excel-inside/

That Opinion =/= Fact thing just really escapes you, huh?
--No? I've made no mistakes between the two.

No he wants players banned for breaking the agreed upon rules of the game, the ones that state it is a bannable offense to teamkill. The fact that they are doing so based upon their own skewed bias and deluded into thinking they are not hurting their own game is laughable. What is worse than droping with a poor player or badly designed mech? Dropping with no mech there. That should be easy logic. Crappy mech > no mech. If nothing else it is something for your opponents to shoot at. It isn't as if you lose points because they killed him. In fact you lose money and XP doing it yourself. Double whammy on yourself. Is that smart?
--You actually have a point here(surprisingly) in that TKing is wrong. But my point was that he doesn't care one bit about how the Mech sucks and needs buffs.(Neither do you, for that matter) You're both ignoring the real problem at hand... which is that the Mech sucks and needs help.


I have a Founder's Jenner. I use it long enough to get a Commando because despite your ~ opinion ~ the Commando plays better for me than the Jenner.
--Good for you. But that doesn't change the ~fact~ that the Jenner is an all around superior choice. It can run faster with more weapons and armor. How exactly is there a contest? If I'm wrong, explain how. But you can't. Because I'm not. You're just running in circles like that other fool. Just because you can get wins with option B doesn't mean it's as good as option A. Just an fyi.



You mad?

I don't know what you tried to do... but you failed horrendously at it.

Edit: Oh.. I... think.. I... see... it?
Please learn to quote properly...

Edited by MrPenguin, 14 November 2012 - 01:30 PM.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

MrPenguin, on 14 November 2012 - 01:28 PM, said:

I don't know what you tried to do... but you failed horrendously at it.

You are the one that failed with your mockery list and image troll posts. I haven't failed at anything here.(Except maybe trying to make people grasp a simple reality) But keep on posting garbage if it suits you, I'm not going to respond forever. I've pretty much said everything logical to be said and spelled it out as simply as it can be spelled out.

[MrPenguin]

Bluten, on 14 November 2012 - 01:32 PM, said:

Oh, You added some lines!

But.. you.. you could have.. you... ugh..

You know it would be 100% easier to read if you just used quotes right?

Edited by MrPenguin, 14 November 2012 - 01:35 PM.

[Mercules]

Bluten, on 14 November 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

Garbled text because "someone" can't seem to quote correctly.

As I stated above, there is more to the game than what shows up in the mechlab. Stats on paper do not tell the whole story. I'll give you that the Jenner can carry a bit more weight at the same speed as a Commando but that doesn't change the fact that I do better in a Commando. This is fact in that I had proof in K/D and W/L ratio from between patches when they used to wipe all the time. I had a higher K/D in a Commando than when I played Jenner exclusively.

You might ask why when on paper the Jenner can carry more firepower and armor I do better in a Commando? Because size of frame, arm swing, and such are not on that paper. Nor is location of view in relation to weapons, and user skill for one frame not being the same in another.

So blowing the legs off what might be an excellent pilot who is able to get more out of that mech than the next guy might be able to get out of a Jenner and out preform the Jenner with an assumed bias because of the mech choice is, forgive me, stupid. I'll try to be polite but you making an assumption with no evidence to back it up is an ignorant assumption.

Edited by Mercules, 14 November 2012 - 01:40 PM.

[Rokuzachi]

The issue I see is going to become really apparent when hitboxes/netcode is fixed.

The Jenner can take more hits. Once speed demons are actually where they appear to be, it will be a small matter to snapshot a passing Commando into oblivion. As a medium/heavy pilot, I can tell you that the size of your commando vs a jenner means very little to me - you're both very small. The Jenner has appropriate firepower to get in, deal good damage, and leave before he gets taken out because he can sustain more damage. The commando not only lacks firepower in comparison, but also durability, but you both take up the same (light) slot in a match.

[stjobe]

All right. Here's the torso+arm twist numbers for the two 'mechs:
Commando: 90+40
Jenner: 120+0

There you have it; an indisputable, numerical, fact-based advantage the Commando has over the Jenner. 10 degrees more reach to each side.