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[Stormwolf]

Greetings my fellow Clansmen and Inner Sphere barbarians.

A recent thread calling for a trial of possesion of the Kerensky bloodname sparked quite a bit of debate on Bloodnames and how they work. The goal of this thread is to educate people more on this subject.

Start of the Trueborn lifecycle
Clansmen created by the Clan Eugenics program are called Trueborns. Most Trueborns consider themselves superior to Freeborn warriors (freeborn warriors are naturally born).

A Trueborn's birth is planned from the start, the genetic material of a trueborn is selected from two bloodnamed warriors. These bloodnamed warriors are the gene-father and gene-mother (note that gender is unimportant since a woman could potentially be gene-father and vice versa). This genetic material is then used to create a batch of artificially conceived children which are grown in artificial wombs (iron wombs).

Many Clans keep these children together in a group called a Sibko (a sort of family group). Clan Wolf for instance mixes various batches of children to created more varied Sibkos.

The life in a Sibko is a harsh one, the children here are constantly tested. The unfit get weeded out and are sent to non-warrior castes (the caste they end up in is decided by the tests).

The Sibko is essentially slowly dissolved when the children (now cadets) start training for the warrior caste. Training in the warrior caste is the most brutal of all, numerous Clansmen have died during this stage.

All essentials of mech-combat and warrior way of life are instilled in the young cadets. The end of this training has two cadets face six enemy mechs (The Blooding), in case of the Steel Vipers it has the contestants fight each other. They only need to defeat one enemy mech to reach warrior status. Two mechs will grant the rank of Star Commander, three mechs will grant the rank of Star Captain. Failing to defeat even a single mech will mean demotion to a lower caste. There are some other technicalities involved with this trial, but I will not delve into it at this point.

Entry into the warrior caste means that a warrior can gain honor and victories and prove his/her worth to the Clan they are born in. The ultimate reward here is gaining a bloodname.

Bloodnames
Bloodnames were the last names of the initial 803 Clan founders. Many Clans have 40 bloodnames attached to them. Only 25 warrior in every Clan can hold a single bloodname. Clan Wolf for instance has 50 Kerensky bloodnames, but these are considered two sets of 25 since they came from both Nicholas and Andery Kerensky.

Many Bloodnames have been removed due to shameful actions of their holders, there are currently (3049) more then 600 bloodnames active. The Bloodnames of Clan Wolverine were eventually entirely omited while others were reaved (ritually removed).

Clansmen only have a first name, not a family name to speak of. The ideas of family and natural birth are revolting concept to many of the Trueborn population. They however have no problems with sex and no longer associate it with reproduction. Clansmen are quite open to coupling and discuss it freely with any potential partner. Trueborn women have their biochemistry altered so they no longer ovulate, this can however be undone.

Clan warriors do however which for their genes to be passed on, this can be achieved by gaining a Bloodname. Warriors who hold bloodnames are considered to have viable genetic material for the creation of more Sibkos. This genetic material usually isn't used in the "active pool" right away, they commonly use it some time after the warrior in question has died, unless a warrior has performed an extremely remarkable feat e.g Star Colonel Aidan Pryde of the Jade Falcons. The Clans have been using this method to weed out any and all genes they consider inferior. Clansmen can only get a bloodname from their gene-mother side.

A Bloodname can be achieved when a Bloodname holder dies, this opens up a slot among the 25 holders.
24 warriors can be sponsored to participate in the trials to win a Bloodname. Seven warriors are selected by commitee headed by the Loremaster. A 32nd slot is open for warrior who didn't get sponsored, this warrior must first pass the Grand Melee.

The Grand Melee is a brutal free for all battle where only the last warrior standing will be able to apply for the Bloodright trials. Many warriors tend to die during these trials because they give it their all.

The Bloodright trials are a set of duels that revolve around 1 vs 1 battles. A coin toss decides who gets to be the hunter (the warrior who selects the form of combat). A hunter can decide if a challenge is augmented or unaugmented (augmented often means mech combat, unaugmented could be a fist or knife fight). The hunted may pick the location (physically weak warriors could pick a zero G environment to even the odds). This continues untill only two warriors remain, the winner of this battle will gain the right of holding a bloodname.

Warriors can enter the Trial of Bloodright numerous times after they have failed, although they might lose their sponsorship after a while.

Trials of Possesion and Bloodnames
It is not possible to win a Bloodname in a Trial of Possession, it can only be achieved during the Bloodright trials or as a reward for a exceptional feat (as was the case with Vlad Ward). It is however possible to trial for the genetic material of a warrior, this can easily be done by trialing for the genes of the specified warrior at the site where genes are stored.

A bondsmen is a captured warrior who was adopted into the Clan that captured him/her. There is no shame in this, there are however warriors who commit bondsref (ritual suicide) to get out of this.

The genes of a captured warrior can be used in the eugenics program of the Clan that won them in a trial. These usually used as a gene-father set. Using these genes as a gene-mother set would be a waste since the warriors in question would never really have a chance to compete for a bloodname outside of the Grand Melee where they are most certainly killed by the participants who would rather die then see the bloodname go to another Clan.

The only way to obtain a Bloodname from another Clan would be by absorbing the entire Clan. This is not a small feat since it would require the Clan in question to have terribly wronged the other Clan. Only two Clans prior to the Clan Invasion were absorbed (Clan Mongoose and Widowmaker). A Trial or Rite of Absorbtion can only be sanctioned by the Grand Council (a council of all Clans).

Freeborn Clansmen
The Clans also know members that are naturally born. Many Clansmen among the non-warrior castes reproduce this way, they are often assigned a partner by the Scientist caste. These Freeborn children are still capable of entering the Warrior caste if their Clan allows it, Clans like Clan Smoke Jaguar allow no Freeborn warriors into their Warrior caste.

Clans like Clan Wolf and Jade Falcon are far more lenient in this regard allow these warrior to test into the Warrior caste regardless. These warriors could however never compete for a Bloodname until the invasion. Two Freeborns actually gained Bloodnames (or will gain Bloodnames), they are Phelan Ward (later Kell) and Diana Pryde (daughter of Aiden Pryde). This ofcourse caused quite a outrage among the Clans, but both warriors managed to hold own in both cases.

It is extremely difficult to gain a Bloodname for Freeborn warriors, but not impossible. Freeborn warriors are often looked down upon by Trueborns, this varies per Clan. Freebirth is a insult often hurled around by Trueborn warriors, calling a Trueborn warrior a Freebirth is considered a grave insult.

Taint
Gaining a Bloodname does not mean that you are the big winnner. Some Bloodnames are considered tainted because Bloodnamed warrior did very unclan-like actions. These Bloodnames might never be used in the active pool for creating new Sibkos.

The best example here is Aiden Pryde, his Bloodname was considered tainted because he essentially cheated his way back into Warrior caste after failing is initial Trial of Position. He did this by masquerading as a killed Freeborn warrior. Despite this he got the Clan Council to recognize him as a Trueborn again after saving Kael Pershaw's genetic Legacy from falling into the hands of Clan Wolf.

After a hearing and a Trial of Refusal he was able to participate in the Grand Melee and later the Trial of Bloodright. He won the Bloodname, but he was considered tainted due to his actions by masquerading as a Freeborn warrior. He also was not very popular with the Trueborns due to his befriending with many Freeborns and treating them as equals.


Here is the initial draft, I will edit in more material when needed.

Edited by Stormwolf, 26 April 2012 - 01:44 PM.

[Jaroth Corbett]

Looks good. May I make some suggestions/alterations though?

Edited by Jaroth Winson, 25 April 2012 - 03:57 PM.

[Seth]

I would add in that Trueborn warriors who are adopted into other Clans can in fact still participate in a Bloodname Tournament in their original Clan, assuming of course that they are eligible for that name in the first place. After that, they need only to be sponsored or enter via Grand Melee. You may, or may not, want to cover the Reaving of a Bloodhouse as well.

[Drakewolff Kerensky]

i had my bloodname for a long time and yes i earned it the hard way ( through the trial ) and the name Drake Kerensky

Edited by Drakewolff Kerensky, 25 April 2012 - 05:56 PM.

[Stormwolf]

Jaroth Winson, on 25 April 2012 - 03:34 PM, said:

Looks good. May I make some suggestions/alterations though?

You can.

Seth, on 25 April 2012 - 05:46 PM, said:

I would add in that Trueborn warriors who are adopted into other Clans can in fact still participate in a Bloodname Tournament in their original Clan, assuming of course that they are eligible for that name in the first place. After that, they need only to be sponsored or enter via Grand Melee. You may, or may not, want to cover the Reaving of a Bloodhouse as well.

Yes, I've been thinking about adding a Bloodhouse section in to cover these subjects.

Drakewolff Kerensky, on 25 April 2012 - 05:55 PM, said:

i had my bloodname for a long time and yes i earned it the hard way ( through the trial ) and the name Drake Kerensky

There are tons of players who already participated in Bloodright trials. This leaves only few slots left for new players.
I'd like to see actual bloodright trials in MWO so everybody gets a fair crack at gaining a Bloodname.

[Jaroth Corbett]

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(note that gender is unimportant since a woman could potentially be gene-father for instance)

put and vice versa at the end there.

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The end of this training has two cadets face six enemy mechs (The Blooding)

put with the Steel Vipers being the exception at the end there

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Bloodnames were the last names of the 803 Clan founders.

put minus the 40 Bloodnames from the Not-Named Clan & those reaved e.g after the Coyote Blood Scandal at the end.

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This genetic material usually isn't used in the "active pool" right away, they commonly use it some time after the warrior in question has died.

put unless a warrior has performed an extremely remarkable feat e.g Star Colonel Aidan Pryde of the Jade Falcons at the end.

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A coin toss decides who gets to be the attacker

change attacker to Hunter

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The defender may pick the location

change defender to Hunted

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mech battle or a simple fist fight

change to augmented or unaugmented respectively (you may still explain the terms if you wish)

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or as a reward for a exceptional feat (as was the case with Vlad Ward)

that was not the case with Vlad Ward

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It is however possible to trial for the genetic material of a warrior, this can easily be done by taking a Bloodnamed warrior as a bondsman.

That is not correct. Even if a warrior becomes abtakha, he/she does not lose her Bloodname & his/her "spawn" is not up for grabs. Immediately after capture, as a bondsman, the warrior is referred to only by their first name; not rank or Bloodname. (This varies from Clan to Clan apparently) A Trial of Possession for a warrior's "spawn" is usually initiated at a location where the genetic material is known to be stored. e.g. Glory Station where Clan Wolf challenged Clan Jade Falcon for the genetic legacy of Kael Pershaw. (ref. Bloodname, 2nd novel in the Jade Phoenix Trilogy)

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This is not a small feat since it would require the Clan in question to have terribly wronged the other Clan.

Not necessarily. The Clan calling for the Absorption may not have been wronged by the Clan in question; in fact they may never even have fought or had any type of relation. They can simply see an opportunity (the Clan in question being in a weakened state) & take a chance.

Edited by Jaroth Winson, 26 April 2012 - 01:31 AM.

[Jaroth Corbett]

Sorry for the double post but I got that damn quote error, so I had to split it in two.

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Two Freeborns actually gained Bloodnames (or will gain Bloodnames), they are Phelan Ward (later Kell) and Diana Pryde (daughter of Aiden Pryde).

Good references, you may want to add that these two were extreme exceptions. Phelan was lucky enough to be a direct descendant of Jal Ward who accompanied the Great Father on the Exodus. Diana was the product of two trueborns, one of them just happened to be the hero Aidan Pryde.

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The best example here is Aiden Pryde, his Bloodname was considered tainted because he essentially cheated his way back into Warrior caste after failing is initial Trial of Position. He did this by masquerading as a killed Freeborn warrior. Despite this he got the Clan Council to recognize him as a Trueborn again after saving Kael Pershaw's genetic Legacy from falling into the hands of Clan Wolf.

Initially it was tainted. The gaining of a Bloodname (in most cases) wipes away any shame or wrongdoing by the warrior in his/her past. Aidan still had detractors for the way he won his Bloodname, but that all went away on Tukayyid. His unit, the Falcon Guards, nicknamed themselves, Pryde's Pride (and nobody complained about it), he got himself lines in the Remembrance:

Remember those events that brought us these fifteen years of shame.
But remember also those who fell to restore the glorious Star League.
Above all, remember the blood legacy of Aidan Pryde, child of Kerensky;
he made the final sacrifice so that his Clan could continue.
For eternity shall we praise him;
in fifteen years shall we avenge him.
- Passage 417, Verse 29, Lines 74-79 (Clan Jade Falcon)

AND not only was his giftake accepted to be added to the active gene pool, it was done so without the customary waiting period. Aidan's Bloodname was HIGHLY favored & sought after, upon his demise.

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In the welcoming rituals the Falcon Guards were again praised for their many acts of courage and honor at Robyn's Crossing, their near-victory at Olalla, and their dogged defense during the Prezno Plain retreat. Many warriors stood up and delivered heartfelt encomiums. If doubt remained in anyone's mind
about the vindication of the Falcon Guards, it faded away during these speeches. Then Marthe Pryde stepped forward.

"It is my honor to serve as Loremaster for House Pryde and I am especially honored to guide the officers of Clan Jade Falcon in the ritual we perform this day. Ferocious bravery is the hallmark of all Clan warriors, but at times there are those who transcend even that. These warriors deserve particular praise and a special place in the history of the Clan."
"Seyla," whispered several warriors seated among the tiers. Some others immediately echoed them, the word "Seyla" spoken slightly louder. Then it was the assembled multitude who joined in. "Seyla!" they shouted, the chorus of voices deep and strong.
"Such a warrior was Star Colonel Aidan Pryde." Diana looked at Joanna, whose face remained expressionless. As far as the young warrior knew, Joanna, Peri, and now Horse were the only people in this room who knew that she was Aidan Pryde's daughter. What fantastic luck, she thought, to be included in this ceremony so accidentally, as just a member of the Falcon Guards.

While Marthe was ceremoniously naming the exploits of Aidan Pryde (only the heroic ones, none of the tainted episodes), Diana felt many mixed emotions. She rued not having had more chance to get to know her father, especially regretting falling into unconsciousness just at the moment he finally learned of her identity. He had fought to protect her, to save her, but he was dead by the time she regained full consciousness.

He had dispatched so many Com Guard BattleMechs that the exact number could not even be recorded on his codex. Yet, pleased as she secretly was to see him elevated to such high status, Diana wished she could have seen his face when he had learned who she was, wished she might have talked to him about how she had imagined him throughout her childhood and even decided to become a warrior because of him. It was not Clanlike to be sentimental, and Diana was not sentimental. She had never expected that Aidan would accept her as his offspring in any way. That would not have been the way of the Clan, after all. It was just that she wished simply that they might have spoken together once.

"And finally," Loremaster Marthe Pryde was saying, "it was the leadership of Aidan Pryde that kept the retreating Jade Falcons from being destroyed by the enemy. He and his Falcon Guards courageously held the line against the Com Guards. Because Aidan Pryde and the Falcon Guards destroyed so many
ComStar BattleMechs, Clan Jade Falcon did not lose the battle, but earned a draw. For that act alone, he deserves all the honors we can bestow upon him."
"Seyla," called out the assembled warriors.
"With the approval of Khan Chistu and by a unanimous vote of the Clan Jade Falcon Council, the giftake of Aidan Pryde will give life to the next generation of Jade Falcon warriors."

Diana was astonished at these words. Even the normally impassive face of Joanna showed a flicker of surprise. More often than not, the giftake, a gene sample taken from a dead warrior, would be stored for years before transfer to the active gene pool—if ever.

"Do you realize the honor?" Joanna whispered to Diana, leaning in toward her.
"I am not sure."
"The genes of Aidan Pryde will enter the active gene pool immediately, without the customary interval between acceptance of the genes and judgment that they may be used to form sibkos. Diana, it is among the highest honors."

"All hail the genetic legacy of Aidan Pryde," Marthe shouted.
"Seyla!" sang out the assembled warriors. "All hail his deeds in battle."
"Seyla!"
"All hail his life as a Jade Falcon warrior."
"Seyla!"

As Marthe continued to lead the ritual, Diana glanced at Joanna, wondering what she was thinking, especially the part about Aidan's life as a noble Clan warrior. Was she thinking of the taint that had clung to him, now officially removed by this ceremony?As the ritual ended, a hush fell over the assembled crowd, broken suddenly when a warrior several rows behind Diana stood up abruptly.

"I am Star Colonel Caro Pryde of Trinary Bravo of the Twelfth Jade Falcon Cluster, and I herewith nominate my finest warrior, MechWarrior Isak, to compete in the Trial of Bloodright for the most honorable Bloodname bequeathed to the Jade Falcons by the warrior Aidan Pryde."

Before Marthe could even respond, two other Jade Falcon warriors from House Pryde had stood up.

"I am Star Commander Darya Pryde of Trinary Charlie of the Second Jade Falcon Cluster, and I herewith nominate the brave and distinguished MechWarrior Novalis to compete in the Trial of Bloodright for the most honorable and eternally admirable Bloodname bequeathed to the Jade Falcons by the warrior Aidan Pryde."

"I am Star Captain Mansoor Pryde of Trinary Echo of the Fifteenth Jade Falcon Cluster, and I herewith nominate the gallant and superbly resourceful Star Commander Velyn to compete in the Trial of Bloodright for the most deserving and honored Bloodname bequeathed to the Jade Falcon lineage by the warrior Aidan Pryde."

Here is a spreadsheet that contains ALL the Bloodnames of the Clan warriors as well as the Labnames of the scientists.

It is presented as showing the Bloodname, the Clan it originated from, other Clans that use that particular Bloodname, the Founder of the Bloodline, the Pheontype, the status, the source material it was obtained from, the page of that source material as well as notes by the person who created it. (HUGE props to you sir/madam whoever you are.)

http://www.4shared.c...lab_names_.html

Click the big blue button that says Download Now.

A countdown timer will appear running down from 20 seconds. After the timer runs out, just click the big blue link that says Download file now.

You will need software like Microsoft Office, Open Office or Libre Office to view the spreadsheet.

Edited by Jaroth Winson, 26 April 2012 - 01:54 AM.

[Torrix]

Outstanding work here guys! This is great information to get those that are interested in the clans - or even the Battletech universe as a whole - started in understanding why this all is such a big deal for some of us (for RP sake as well as just being proud of earning it, even if in older, forgotten leagues).

Oh yeah

Torrix
(Mjolnir Fetladral, Wolf Clan
NBT league, mid '90s)

[LordDeathStrike]

all that iron womb inbreeding really messes them up mentally, not too mention the lack of family and good homes!

[FrostRaven]

Fantastic post Stormwolf, I love the background the the whole Battletech universe.

Looking forward to more posts such as this.

BTW can anyone point me in the direction of a Battletech 101, haven't been in the loop for the past several years and haven't had a chance to read any of the novels / historic texts.

[Jaroth Corbett]

Send me a PM.

[Colddawg]

LordDeathStrike, on 26 April 2012 - 03:00 AM, said:

all that iron womb inbreeding really messes them up mentally, not too mention the lack of family and good homes!

which is why 3 of us can beat 10 of you

now onto more pressing matters. How are we going to settle the matter of all the people claiming the Kerensky name?

I feel that if there's a conflict of more than the allotted amount wanting that name then there should be trials, unless someone can produce a codex (battlerom) of the bloodname trial they successfully completed in some other MW game.

[Jaroth Corbett]

Well there has to be Trials. Kerensky can have 50 slots so that helps. The question should be posed to the Jade Falcons. Have you seen how many Prydes are running around on the forums?

[Stormwolf]

Jaroth Winson, on 26 April 2012 - 01:23 AM, said:

put and vice versa at the end there.

put with the Steel Vipers being the exception at the end there

put minus the 40 Bloodnames from the Not-Named Clan & those reaved e.g after the Coyote Blood Scandal at the end.

put unless a warrior has performed an extremely remarkable feat e.g Star Colonel Aidan Pryde of the Jade Falcons at the end.

change attacker to Hunter

change defender to Hunted

change to augmented or unaugmented respectively (you may still explain the terms if you wish)

Fixed, I retooled it a bit with here and there. Not everybody is going to know what the deal is with the not-named for instance.

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that was not the case with Vlad Ward

Yes it was, none of the potential Ward candidates stepped up to claim the Ward bloodname.
It was by all means given to him by the entire Clan.

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That is not correct. Even if a warrior becomes abtakha, he/she does not lose her Bloodname & his/her "spawn" is not up for grabs. Immediately after capture, as a bondsman, the warrior is referred to only by their first name; not rank or Bloodname. (This varies from Clan to Clan apparently) A Trial of Possession for a warrior's "spawn" is usually initiated at a location where the genetic material is known to be stored. e.g. Glory Station where Clan Wolf challenged Clan Jade Falcon for the genetic legacy of Kael Pershaw. (ref. Bloodname, 2nd novel in the Jade Phoenix Trilogy)

Complete brainfart on my behalf, fixed.

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Not necessarily. The Clan calling for the Absorption may not have been wronged by the Clan in question; in fact they may never even have fought or had any type of relation. They can simply see an opportunity (the Clan in question being in a weakened state) & take a chance.

True, I'll retool that a bit later with some Clan Mongoose background.

Jaroth Winson, on 26 April 2012 - 01:32 AM, said:

Good references, you may want to add that these two were extreme exceptions. Phelan was lucky enough to be a direct descendant of Jal Ward who accompanied the Great Father on the Exodus. Diana was the product of two trueborns, one of them just happened to be the hero Aidan Pryde.

Will be covered in the Bloodhouse stuff I'll be writing up.

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Initially it was tainted. The gaining of a Bloodname (in most cases) wipes away any shame or wrongdoing by the warrior in his/her past. Aidan still had detractors for the way he won his Bloodname, but that all went away on Tukayyid. His unit, the Falcon Guards, nicknamed themselves, Pryde's Pride (and nobody complained about it), he got himself lines in the Remembrance:

I'll add a bit on how a bloodname can be "untainted".

It's late right now, I'll be back tomorrow.

[Seth]

Our CJF unit intends to only recognize Bloodnames that have been won through a bloodname tournament fought in a MWO setting. It makes no sense for me to be rockin the Mattlov surname when I first launch the game and I cannot find the switch to turn the left turn signal off. Bloodnames won in past games or other units can be added to a codex in recognition of them, but we will not have fifty thousand Prydes running around.

[Stormwolf]

Seth, on 26 April 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

Our CJF unit intends to only recognize Bloodnames that have been won through a bloodname tournament fought in a MWO setting. It makes no sense for me to be rockin the Mattlov surname when I first launch the game and I cannot find the switch to turn the left turn signal off. Bloodnames won in past games or other units can be added to a codex in recognition of them, but we will not have fifty thousand Prydes running around.

Good, we should all start from square one, otherwise we are going to have 100+ warriors with the Pryde bloodname running around.

[Mystwolf]

If I remember correctly Vlad Took the Ward Name the Phelan Beat him out of under the terms that Phelan Abandoned it to take the granted name of Kell as his Bloodname.

also on a side not the only people that would have stood in his way were the ones that Left with Phelan (the Wardens or at least most of them) and was probably a big reason he was unopposed.... IMO

[Jaroth Corbett]

Stormwolf, on 26 April 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

Yes it was, none of the potential Ward candidates stepped up to claim the Ward bloodname.
It was by all means given to him by the entire Clan.

I see where you are coming from but it is not the same thing as when an ilKhan creates a Bloodname as a gift to reward a warrior who did something remarkable. It was no gift given by the Falcon Khans, the warriors of Clan Wolf respected Vlad & looked to him as their new leader.

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Because of what Vlad had done to free the Wolves from the Falcons, no one in the House Ward wished to stand against him in the Trial of Bloodright, - Malicious Intent

Seth, on 26 April 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

but we will not have fifty thousand Prydes running around.

It is not 50,000 but it sure is a hell lot more than 25.

Stormwolf, on 26 April 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

Good, we should all start from square one, otherwise we are going to have 100+ warriors with the Pryde bloodname running around.

Too late.

Edited by Jaroth Winson, 26 April 2012 - 02:32 PM.

[Stormwolf]

Jaroth Winson, on 26 April 2012 - 02:28 PM, said:

It is not 50,000 but it sure a hell lot more than 25.

Too late.

It is going to be fun to watch a Bloodright trial for the Pryde name, I bet that we are goint to get 31 nominated warriors along with a grand melee if there is some type of system in place.

Edited by Stormwolf, 26 April 2012 - 02:34 PM.

[Jaroth Corbett]

A search of the forums has revealed there are 101 Prydes.



Did you see what I was saying about Vlad, Stormwolf?

Edited by Jaroth Winson, 26 April 2012 - 02:42 PM.