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[TLBFestus]

Initially upon reading that the Devs are planning on implementing 3rd person for this game I was disappointed. However after my initial visceral and hostile gut reaction to this was over come, I'm OK with it.


IF 3rd person players and 1st person players cannot be in the same match at the same time. That's it. It's just that simple.

From an esthetics point of view I like 3rd person. I could see my mech, watch the cool animations as it lumbers around, torso twisting, arms flailing, lasers firing. It would be cool to see. You'd be able to see your custom skins, and honestly, what's the point of custom skins of you can't admire them?

From a game play perspective I prefer 1st person. It's more immersive, requires more situational awareness and just makes the game more interesting.

Honestly I think that 3rd person has been "on the table" for this game for a long time despite Russ's earlier opposition to it. Financially it was going to be inevitable as it would attract a much larger audience, and as such could not be denied.

As for implementation, I sincerely doubt that it will only be used for "training" or " new players" and then taken away from them involuntarily as part of their progression in the game. Not gonna happen. Imagine the uproar when all those new players you have attracted find out that the very reason they joined is taken away from them a short while later. No, once they introduce 3rd person it's here to stay.

Our best and only hope is that the Devs do not allow mixed POV (point of view) matches, ever.
If they do that....go ahead.....bring 3rd person on and I will embrace it. If they don't I'll either drift away or be forced to play 3rd person to be competitive.

Edited by TLBFestus, 14 November 2012 - 10:19 AM.

[tenderloving]

It's not that simple.

They will split the player base into two groups that require vastly different resources. Eventually an influx of [REDACTED] will shift resources away from the core experience that the Founders were sold on. The game will inevitibly become more and more dumbed down to appeal to the exact type of player that fans of the genre were hoping to avoid.

This is one of the few things that the community has solidarity on. We argue and ***** about LRMs and Gaussapults and how hardpoints should work among a host of other issues. But it's pretty clear that most of the people who supported the game through Founders money and MC purchases were sold on the promise on a First Person Mech Simulator and not an arcade game.

Edited by miSs, 14 November 2012 - 10:16 AM.
insults

[TheMightyWashburn]

I think this game is going to die from extremely dumb ideas in their management.

[Alexa Steel]

TheMightyWashburn, on 14 November 2012 - 09:57 AM, said:

I think this game is going to die from extremely dumb ideas in their management.

Uh huh and 3rd person is the most bad idea they had... right.

[AgroAlba]

Yeah, I had an initial visceral reaction as well. But after listening to the NGNG podcast, and reading more details about some of the ideas floating around, I don't find it that big of a deal.

So long as the matches are seperated by viewpoint, then it won't give any advantage that anybody else in the match doesn't have. I think it's an interesting solution.

I also look forward to playing a few rounds in 3rd person every now and again to admire my lumbering death machine.

[KingCobra]

tenderloving, on 14 November 2012 - 09:56 AM, said:

It's not that simple.

They will split the player base into two groups that require vastly different resources. Eventually an influx of "Thirdtards" will shift resources away from the core experience that the Founders were sold on. The game will inevitibly become more and more dumbed down to appeal to the exact type of player that fans of the genre were hoping to avoid.

This is one of the few things that the community has solidarity on. We ***** about LRMs and Gaussapults and how hardpoints should work. But it's pretty clear that most of the people who supported the game through Founders money and MC purchases were sold on the promise on a First Person Mech Simulator and not an arcade game.

I don't see anything tenderloving about you calling everyone else tards for wanting something you do not grow up.

[Vassago Rain]

You're all being deceived by broken promises and lies.

[Alexa Steel]

tenderloving, on 14 November 2012 - 09:56 AM, said:

It's not that simple.

They will split the player base into two groups that require vastly different resources. Eventually an influx of "Thirdtards" will shift resources away from the core experience that the Founders were sold on. The game will inevitibly become more and more dumbed down to appeal to the exact type of player that fans of the genre were hoping to avoid.

This is one of the few things that the community has solidarity on. We argue and ***** about LRMs and Gaussapults and how hardpoints should work among a host of other issues. But it's pretty clear that most of the people who supported the game through Founders money and MC purchases were sold on the promise on a First Person Mech Simulator and not an arcade game.

Wrong I bought in because I wanted to play giant stompy robots shooting at each other.

[tenderloving]

Alexa Steel, on 14 November 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

Uh huh and 3rd person is the most bad idea they had... right.

He didn't say the most bad idea, it's just one among many.

[Signal27]

TLBFestus, on 14 November 2012 - 09:52 AM, said:

Our best and only hope is that the do not allow mixed POV (point of view) matches, ever.
If they do that....go ahead.....bring 3rd person on and I will embrace it. If they don't I'll either drift away or be forced to play 3rd person to be competitive.

Just keep in mind that if they go the route of integrating 1st person players with 3rd person players, they might balance it out the same way World of Tanks does: If you can't see your target inside the tank (1st person) then you can't see them outside the tank (3rd person) either. Unless a team mate is spotting them for you. Also, World of Tanks is set up so that you simply don't favor one perspective over the other - you have to use them both if you want to be competitive. Usually it's 3rd person for moving around and 1st person for doing some fine aiming.

[TheMightyWashburn]

Alexa Steel, on 14 November 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

Uh huh and 3rd person is the most bad idea they had... right.

No. Any one decision wont be that big of a deal. But after this and the Yen lo Wang. I have no trust for them anymore. Ill be quiting this game when I buy myself my games cache this christmas.

They will continue to pander to noobs will continue to ruin what could have been my favorite game for 2+ years,

[tenderloving]

KingCobra, on 14 November 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

I don't see anything tenderloving about you calling everyone else tards for wanting something you do not grow up.

They are called that because they cause games to be dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. So, by comparison, they "tard" the level of the game.

If you can only attack the style of my argument and not the substance, you don't have much to stand on.

Edited by tenderloving, 14 November 2012 - 10:03 AM.

[DivideByZer0]

I honestly don't like playing in 3rd person, myself,
but I am not adverse to playing with people who are in 3rd person.
It's not like you can see anything other than the back of your mech..

Makes sniping harder if your mech is blocking your reticule.

In every driving/shooting game I have played, I always do better in 1st person.
I do wish they would implement a spectator camera mode or replay mode though. I could see how 3rd person could be considered "training mode" since it will help newer players understand how they are interacting with obstacles, as well as show them what direction they are being attacked from.
Is it an advantage? I don't think so.

[von Pilsner]

3rd person makes pop-tarting extremely easy... Kind of helped ruin the MW4 experience for a lot of people.

[groundhouse]

3RD Person = 99% Jenner ^^

Edited by groundhouse, 14 November 2012 - 10:07 AM.

[Chrithu]

What bugs me most is that they think 3rd person would really be a solution to ppl being unable to figure out torso and mech movement being seperate. That's the worst reason to implement a feature no one really needs I've ever heard.

YOUR RADAR ON THE UPPER SIDE OF YOUR HUD SHOWS WHERE YOUR TORSO AND LEGS ARE HEADED. SO DOES THE MINIMAP. IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH TO FIGURE THINGS OUT 3RD PERSON WON'T HELP PPL EITHER!!!!

And yes I DO think that the one who speaks loudest IS actually right. In the world of being spammed with stupidity the internet is the ones who speak reason must speak louder to be heard.

[Malacay]

Since i have a friend that can't play games which have excessive swaying motions depicted in first person (he gets motion sick... even in FPS Shooters where the character camera sways) i would appreciate a 3rd person mode... it would allow him to play and enjoy the game...

I think most people that fear a division of the playerbase are afraid that only hardcore players will be left playing in 1st person mode and fear they won't have any more cattle to slaughter and become the cattle for others instead...

More features and options is a good thing... fanboys are what kill most games gameplay afterall...

[Volthorne]

TheMightyWashburn, on 14 November 2012 - 10:01 AM, said:

No. Any one decision wont be that big of a deal. But after this and the Yen lo Wang. I have no trust for them anymore. Ill be quiting this game when I buy myself my games cache this christmas.

They will continue to pander to noobs will continue to ruin what could have been my favorite game for 2+ years,

Erm... sense? You're a freebie, and don't trust PGI anymore, yet you won't quit until christmas?

[tenderloving]

Malacay, on 14 November 2012 - 10:10 AM, said:

Since i have a friend that can't play games which have excessive swaying motions depicted in first person (he gets motion sick... even in FPS Shooters where the character camera sways) i would appreciate a 3rd person mode... it would allow him to play and enjoy the game...

I think most people that fear a division of the playerbase are afraid that only hardcore players will be left playing in 1st person mode and fear they won't have any more cattle to slaughter and become the cattle for others instead...

More features and options is a good thing... fanboys are what kill most games gameplay afterall...

Hardcore players want to be competitive without being forced to use 3rd person. With matchmaking, the "hard core" and the "cattle" will never meet each other on the battlefield anyway.

3rd person severely limits tactics, stealth, and positioning. It gives everyone a god's-eye-view of the game that makes it into a completely different experience.

[Alois Hammer]

TLBFestus, on 14 November 2012 - 09:52 AM, said:

From a game play perspective I prefer 3rd person. It's more immersive, requires more situational awareness and just makes the game more interesting.

I don't get it. How is viewing from the POV of an angel hovering above your own shoulder immersive? How does that make you feel like you're in your Mech?

And how does seeing to the horizon in all directions with a bird's eye view require more situational awareness when you can see everything?

I call "You keep using that word...I do not think that word means what you think it means."