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[ArmyOfWon]

But I just need to say one thing on the "Wang P2W" that's apparently still around.

IT'S NOT

The ONLY argument that I can find that's somewhat reasonable to support that YLW is P2W is something like:

"It's something without equal that you can only get by paying"
"It's the only mech that you can load an AC/20 and an XL into it that's worth it"

People, do your research before saying stuff like this. The CN9-D is a YLW with a bigger engine and 2 Missile hardpoints in its left torso.

If you ignore the Missile hardpoints, it is exactly the YLW without the paintjob or cbill bonus.
You can load an XL (it comes with one) and an AC/20 in the arm (it comes stock with an LB 10-X AC)

So please, before ranting about P2W, know what you're talking about.

*Edit: Ah, sorry, it seems the YLW doesn't have the Lower Arm Actuator, allowing for AC20s to be mounted. But, I ask, why aren't you using a Gauss in the first place? Longer range, Fewer Slots, More ammo per ton, only one ton heavier.

(For journalistic neutrality: Cons to Gauss - The Gauss explodes upon breaking....... it's one more ton? That's all I got. Seriously, either the ammo explodes or the gun does. Why aren't you using Gauss??)

Edited by ArmyOfWon, 13 November 2012 - 05:12 PM.

[AlexEss]

Reported. I hope they track by IP and HWID.. will give rob a nice suprise when he logs in to his main account.

Edit Aaaaand there he is gone.

Personally i am neither offended or bothered by the type of image rob posted... But there are smart ways of doing what he did and then there is lazy.. his was lazy.

Edited by AlexEss, 13 November 2012 - 04:31 PM.

[SPARTAN 104]

HAHAHA Robbbbbii is killin it tonight.
Alex....Some of us have been through too much. We don't care anymore.

[ArmyOfWon]

I'm sorry, I disregarded his post because there was a **** in it. Did he have anything constructive to actually rebuke my statement?

Edit: Ah, I see, TheDeadGuy was being reasonable and rob was being rob, I suppose?

Edited by ArmyOfWon, 13 November 2012 - 04:33 PM.

[AlexEss]

Nope.. it was pretty much just

suck it.

nothing else.

Back on topic i think the latest mech they announced will have the same hardpoint/internals layout in it's arms as the YLW so you will be able to have a arm mounted AC/20 in a medium mech without buying the YLW.

[On1m]

You can also do the same thing with a CN9-A.

[christophermx4]

I'm pretty offended that got posted. We got kids on these forums and some of us like to browse the forums on our breaks at work. Idiots like Rob don't need to ruin the forums for the rest of us. I hope they IP ban him for life.

[Dagger906]

It's a crappy mech that you feel like you have to use all the time due to cbill bonus.

You spent cash in order to suffer and make your game less fun.

Edited by Dagger906, 13 November 2012 - 04:49 PM.

[AlexEss]

On1m, on 13 November 2012 - 04:45 PM, said:

You can also do the same thing with a CN9-A.

actually right now the YLW is the only centurion that can mount a AC/20 in the arm. All others have the "elbow" intact and thus have to few slots to actually mount it. That is why i brought up the latest mech they revealed. It lacks a lower arm complely and the guns attach to the shoulder so it should have enough space in the arms to mount a AC/20

[Krivvan]

christophermx4, on 13 November 2012 - 04:47 PM, said:

I hope they IP ban him for life.

Unfortunately, IP bans are easily circumvented.

[ArmyOfWon]

AlexEss, on 13 November 2012 - 04:53 PM, said:

actually right now the YLW is the only centurion that can mount a AC/20 in the arm. All others have the "elbow" intact and thus have to few slots to actually mount it. That is why i brought up the latest mech they revealed. It lacks a lower arm complely and the guns attach to the shoulder so it should have enough space in the arms to mount a AC/20

Ah, you know, you're right. I apologize on that point. But I bring another: Why aren't you using Gauss? 7 slots (opposed to 10), more shots per ton, less heat, all for only one more ton.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

ArmyOfWon, on 13 November 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:

So please, before ranting about P2W, know what you're talking about.

You are the one ranting pointlessly as this is a topic that has ended quite a while ago. This thread was late to the punch and completely pointless. You are pointing out something that has already been beaten to death and is common knowledge at this point. I don't even see a single YLW P2W thread on the front page anymore other than this one. Why did you feel the need to dig up this topic with a needless new thread?

Edited by Bluten, 13 November 2012 - 05:11 PM.

[Alois Hammer]

ArmyOfWon, on 13 November 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:

People, do your research before saying stuff like this. The CN9-D is a YLW with a bigger engine and 2 Missile hardpoints in its left torso.

If you ignore the Missile hardpoints, it is exactly the YLW without the paintjob or cbill bonus.
You can load an XL (it comes with one) and an AC/20 in the arm (it comes stock with an LB 10-X AC)

So please, before ranting about P2W, know what you're talking about.

Good advice.

By the way, did you know the CN9-D has a lower arm actuator? The Wang and (now-defunct) CN9-AH both lack(ed) that actuator in order to make enough room to fit an AC/20 on the arm.

On1m, on 13 November 2012 - 04:45 PM, said:

You can also do the same thing with a CN9-A.

What same thing? Fail to mount an AC/20 because that lower arm actuator leaves it without enough space?

AlexEss, on 13 November 2012 - 04:53 PM, said:

actually right now the YLW is the only centurion that can mount a AC/20 in the arm. All others have the "elbow" intact and thus have to few slots to actually mount it.

Yup.

[Allekatrase]

ArmyOfWon, on 13 November 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:

But I just need to say one thing on the "Wang P2W" that's apparently still around.

IT'S NOT

The ONLY argument that I can find that's somewhat reasonable to support that YLW is P2W is something like:

"It's something without equal that you can only get by paying"
"It's the only mech that you can load an AC/20 and an XL into it that's worth it"

People, do your research before saying stuff like this. The CN9-D is a YLW with a bigger engine and 2 Missile hardpoints in its left torso.

If you ignore the Missile hardpoints, it is exactly the YLW without the paintjob or cbill bonus.
You can load an XL (it comes with one) and an AC/20 in the arm (it comes stock with an LB 10-X AC)

So please, before ranting about P2W, know what you're talking about.

You cannot load an AC/20 in the arm of the CN9-D. If you're going to make an argument about people knowing what they're talking about you should probably have some idea what you're talking about.

Edit: I see I'm late to this point.

As it is the term pay to win has as many interpretations as there are people who've heard it so it's not a good term to use for anything. It's never a definitive term, just a derogatory term applied to business models that are crappy. In which case I could very well see it applying to the introduction of the YLW.

It's not a great mech. It's not overpowered, or even that powerful at all, though it's not as awful as some people make it out to be. However, it does have unique abilities that are only available if you pay real money for it (and I'm not talking about the skin or C-Bill boost) which I am opposed to on principal. If you want a competitive free to play game and to avoid the pay to win term you need free players to be on equal footing with paying players. Making things that have in-game effects available only to paying players breaks this and is a bad business model in my opinion.

Edited by Allekatrase, 13 November 2012 - 05:16 PM.

[Allekatrase]

Bluten, on 13 November 2012 - 05:10 PM, said:

You are the one ranting pointlessly as this is a topic that has ended quite a while ago. This thread was late to the punch and completely pointless. You are pointing out something that has already been beaten to death and is common knowledge at this point. I don't even see a single YLW P2W thread on the front page anymore other than this one. Why did you feel the need to dig up this topic with a needless new thread?

The other threads died in the forum migration, doesn't mean the issue died. It's just been sleeping beneath the load of other issues that have come up.

[aspect]

Krivvan, on 13 November 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

Unfortunately, IP bans are easily circumvented.

Sure, but account deletion when you are a founder isn't if you want to play with your mechs. I haven't read the terms and conditions of your MWO account, but I'm pretty sure it says somewhere in there that MWO can delete it without warning for any reason. I would certainly hope this is the route they go with someone who has set a new low for attempting to ruin the forums.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

Allekatrase, on 13 November 2012 - 05:15 PM, said:

The other threads died in the forum migration, doesn't mean the issue died. It's just been sleeping beneath the load of other issues that have come up.

There's no threads about it because it's a dead topic. He's stupidly reviving it without cause.

[Allekatrase]

Bluten, on 13 November 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

There's no threads about it because it's a dead topic. He's stupidly reviving it without cause.

Well, given the side of the argument he's on I'd agree with you. I still think it's an important issue.

[ArmyOfWon]

Bluten, on 13 November 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

There's no threads about it because it's a dead topic. He's stupidly reviving it without cause.

It came up in the "It's Dead Jim" thread and I couldn't help myself.

http://mwomercs.com/...20#entry1415877

Edit: It wasn't the "It's Dead Jim" thread, but now I can't find it... It was a thread asking why YLW got so much hate on the battlefield. I'll link when I find it.

Edit Edit: Found it.

Edited by ArmyOfWon, 13 November 2012 - 05:36 PM.

[MajorLeeHung]

ArmyOfWon, on 13 November 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:

*Edit: Ah, sorry, it seems the YLW doesn't have the Lower Arm Actuator, allowing for AC20s to be mounted. But, I ask, why aren't you using a Gauss in the first place? Longer range, Fewer Slots, More ammo per ton, only one ton heavier.

(For journalistic neutrality: Cons to Gauss - The Gauss explodes upon breaking....... it's one more ton? That's all I got. Seriously, either the ammo explodes or the gun does. Why aren't you using Gauss??)

Cus its not Gausswarrior: Online. Also, give the gauss back its minimum range and you will praise the ac/20 as one of *note I did NOT say the absolute best* the best in your face weapon systems in the game.