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[Darklord]

At the VWE Battltech centers we had torso locked for all the beginers.After they played some games we taught them how the torso twist works.From then on it was up to them to use it or not.Made things a lot easier to learn the basics of playing the game for new players.
We also had the players broken up by groups.
1-25 mission were in one and 26 on up were in their own and could not go into the lower bracket.This too would help out the new players to get to learn how the game plays.

[AC]

....so..... Your saying copy MW4......

[Copious]

Are people really having that much trouble moving their mouse at the same time they press A or D?

Pro Tip: Use both hands to play MWO.

[VoltarDark]

Hello fellows pilots !

First thank you devs for that great game !

Now on the 3rd person topic:

Don't do it, because it will split the fan base and «dumm» a great game.

Let me submit what i consider a better solution to help people to adjust to the game :

Make the «C» key toggle between 3 modes:

1- ( Beginner mode) : Lock legs with torso: --> mouse turn the mech.
2- ( Intermediate mode) : Make legs follow torso: --> mouse turn the mech with legs following.
3- ( Advance mode) : Center legs with torso: --> Legs and turret move independently.

Always start game with mode 1 unless someone change it in the options menu.

Has a bonus compromise: Add a in cockpit forward looking mini-camera from a in between the legs point of view. (DSTDC : the Don't Stomp The Dog Camera).

I hope it help a bit .

See you all in game.

Edited by VoltarDark, 14 November 2012 - 10:44 PM.

[Hot Rod]

Copious, on 14 November 2012 - 10:18 PM, said:

Are people really having that much trouble moving their mouse at the same time they press A or D?

Pro Tip: Use both hands to play MWO.

Does people always need to spam threads?

Pro Tip: Don't post when you don't want to contribute to a discussion.



btt: currently there is the "torso follows feet feature" witch in my eyes
scrambles the snipers (i am a brawler at heart) and favors the circle running mechs.
i don't need to explain why it does hurt snipers. but why do i want a feature that hurts me as a brawler in 2 ways?

why is it currently favoring brawler? because they don't need to adjust their torso at every millisecond. if they are in a perfect circle around a target or a slightly ellipse they got nothing to do except fire their guns and maintain their movement. that is no skill.

when they need to maintain a constant readjustment of the torso to hit a mech it would become skill.

it only helps new players to not "get lost" in the fight.
i cant count the times after a new betakey giveaway that i spectated a player who desperately wanted to turn his torso in one direction but couldn't because he forgot to turn the legs too.

now i spectate the "aim with the legs" type of player...

and hat about sniper? 2x gauss/LL ? i dont have a problem that they would be able to keep the target and evade suppression fire. i have to hide from lrm too so that would be a minor added issue.

Edited by Hot Rod, 15 November 2012 - 06:24 AM.

[Taryys]

I think this will help new pilots adjust: I cover this and more here:

How To Reduce The Grind And Create A Great New User Experience

[Kaijin]

Each mech's torso has a range of twist. IF you've maxed your twist to the left, and you turn your legs to the right, your torso is going to go to the right too regardless. This idea of your is counterintuitive, and would be harder to learn to use than the present system.

Edit: If you wanted to make it easier for the newbies, you would lock torso centered to legs, but wait - we already have a torso center to legs in 'C'.

Edited by Kaijin, 15 November 2012 - 10:46 AM.

[Xantha]

A better solution in my opinion would be allow the C key to adjust legs to your torso alignment. I know we asked for this in closed beta and it was rejected.

[Sevaradan]

WAY more important things for PGI to be fixing (breaking?) than the torso twist mechanic which is fine as is.

[Taryys]

Did they specifically say no or are you equating 'not having it now' with rejection.
They have said that this is something they are considering, and believe it or not they have a lot more important things to work on. We need a second key for this and not to remap it.

Would I like to see this? Yes.

Stormfury, on 15 November 2012 - 10:52 AM, said:

A better solution in my opinion would be allow the C key to adjust legs to your torso alignment. I know we asked for this in closed beta and it was rejected.

[CoolLew]

I wish there was a way to make the legs turn to your torso facing, you could do that in all previous Mechwarrior games

[weaponx26]

buckX, on 14 November 2012 - 09:59 PM, said:

It would actually be super handy as a thing you can enable on the fly. Lets say I'm trying to shoot somebody 400m away while I'm turning. As currently implemented, I have to manually move my cursor to match the turn, which is super awkward. If I could, say, hold down alt to have my torso maintain compass bearing, that would allow much better ranged targeting while turning.

press "c" for centre torso

[Calmon]

How you plan to target with such a system?

Example: you turn left, your torso turn right. Now your speed running left needs you to retarget but you cant do it in a good way because you may still suffer by the 'turn right torso' twist while turning left. At some point it hard brakes because you stop turning. So your mouse controlled torso will get auto-movings anyway.

Edited by Calmon, 20 November 2012 - 06:28 AM.

[Matte Black]

With a little practice it is really not that hard to hold on target while moving.

Just saying.

[aspect]

An optional lock setting is a great idea. I have no problem with the current controls and think they did a great job making it possible to get everything out of your mech without having to buy a higher-end joystick. However, if people want to limit their view movement to their leg turning speed in order to simplify things, they should absolutely be able to.

Edit: nevermind, I misread the OP. I thought he wanted an option where the torso and legs were locked together, so when you turned your legs the torso would rotate with them. Having the torso auto-track it's heading while the legs rotate underneath is not a good idea. Why? Well, besides the fact that people using it may have an advantage, it would be extremely awkward when you turned your legs far enough that the torso could no longer remain locked on a heading as the target reticule would suddenly start to move without you touching the mouse. Not a great control scheme.

Edited by aspect, 20 November 2012 - 06:35 AM.

[JebusGeist]

Plenty of people seem to have no problem lining up targets with their torso weapons simply by using their mouse while changing the facing of their legs, how do you account for their ability to do this? Luck?

[Leetskeet]

Yes. It would be a bit different to get used to at first, but it's a superior control scheme.

It's not a make or break situation, but it would definitely have its uses once you got used to it. Much better accuracy, for one.

When you're turning left and trying to aim to the right, you pretty much have to pause your turning for a second, shoot, and then resume the turn. Otherwise, the reticle is a jittery mess that you're likely to miss with or waste a good portion of laser damage.

I think it would be a fair alternative to enable in the options menu, because having your torso behave this way can make you lose track of your leg facing pretty easily.

[Bubba Wilkins]

Torso twisting is a fact of life. Disabling that turns you into nothing but an easy target.

Better to learn to use the existing system then simplify it and become cannon fodder.

[WhiteCatInsurgency]

I would like it, but as an advanced feature rather then the default. For those of us who can stay on top of multitasking.

[Leetskeet]

Bubba Wilkins, on 20 November 2012 - 06:36 AM, said:

Torso twisting is a fact of life. Disabling that turns you into nothing but an easy target.

Better to learn to use the existing system then simplify it and become cannon fodder.

One of us misunderstood the OP, and I'm not sure which so bare with me.

I don't think he said to disable torso twisting, but rather have your torso keep its heading while the legs turn independently.

As in, currently, if you turn left, the legs drag the torso left and you have to counteract this by moving your mouse right. The alternative is your legs turning left and your torso keeping its target until it reaches its max turning radius.

If that makes sense.

Edited by Leetskeet, 20 November 2012 - 06:44 AM.