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[Daritus Kane]

I think the greater problem are Offlineplayer and Log-Out-Trolls.

I hope the game becomes a Stage-System with Levels for Playerskills

[Soulscour]

Daritus Kane, on 15 November 2012 - 02:48 AM, said:

I think the greater problem are Offlineplayer and Log-Out-Trolls.

I hope the game becomes a Stage-System with Levels for Playerskills

So we have to play with the same people over and over?

[SpartanFiredog317]

Cole Allard, on 15 November 2012 - 02:18 AM, said:

Sorry for the offtopic guys.




You Sir,

are a shame to everyone actually wearing a real uniform with those comments.

Last time I put mine on was for those civies...

... I gladly train to fight and kill the enemies of the United States of America, that doesn't mean I have to respect some D*bag lard *** that wants to make fun of people that don't spend as much time as him playing a VIDEO GAME. He can go suck a fat one, and so can you. Meanwhile, I pray every day for a chance to put my *** on the line 'defend' his freedom to be a lard ***....

[naidmer]

In my opinion the getting started in MWO is quite difficult for a newbie. I would call myself an experienced player with a solid background in fps gaming. But I'd like to share some of the problems I encountered when I started with MWO a few weeks ago. This may help the mech warrior cracks to understand their unexperienced team mates a litte bit better.

1) Map: The minimap is very confusing. The way the mechs and names are displayed is all but optimal. The minimap on the bottom of the screen points in a different direction than the minimap you can access with "b". I also had to look a long time at the map to identify who and where I was. All that adds up to make you feel pretty much lost out there.

2) Movement: The movement is also different compared to other fps games. Usually you change direction by using the mouse. In MWO using the mouse only turns your torso. To actually change the direction of your mech you have to use "A" and "D" (what would be strafing in other games).
Once you are at full speed you stay at full speed until you hit the brakes. That is also a point you have to have in mind when you come from another game. You actually have to play a couple of games in a row so you can adjust to the new movement, don't bump into walls with fullspeed and get stuck.

3) Aiming: When I am playing Quake or something like that I just aim with the mouse crosshair. In MWO I was suddenly confronted with 2 crosshairs. It took me a while to figure out when to use which. Since you are playing with a trial mech you don't hang around in the mechlab and you don't get to know your mech. Where are the weapons attached (torso or arms)? But to aim correctly you should be aware of your mechs configuration. So that's quite a newbie blocker, too. I see that confusion quite a lot when spectating other players after I'm dead.

4) Shooting: There is no way for a new player to get used to the weapon systems of his mech. He has to throw himself in his first 8vs8 battle without any knowledge or weapon configuration. When I played my first game I wondered why I only did alpha strikes when hitting the left mouse button (back then there wasn't even a tutorial video). It took me 3 matches to finally get my weapons set up the way I wanted it (and I even had help with that lol). 3 matches I couldn't do anything. 3 matches I put my team down by one assault mech. Why the hell is there no way to configure the weapon setup in the lab or in a tutorial mission?

5) Weapon specifics: You can see this very often. Newbies don't know that for example lrm have a minimum range. They are trying to headshot you from 5m with their lrms. I didn't know this either back then. This is just a default win for the other player.

These are a few of the difficulties I had when I started with MWO. Luckily I had a mentor who explained all that to me and showed me how to bahave on the battlefield. After I got the basics he also showed me some tricks and told me the weakspots of my enemies. So my learning curve was quite well. Imagining the frustration if I had to find out all that stuff on my own while getting roflstomped 50 games in a row, I guess that could have drove me away from the game.

You can't blame newbies for being new and unexperienced. What this game needs is some kind of tutorial mission(s).

[Soulscour]

SpartanFiredog317, on 15 November 2012 - 02:59 AM, said:

... I gladly train to fight and kill the enemies of the United States of America, that doesn't mean I have to respect some D*bag lard *** that wants to make fun of people that don't spend as much time as him playing a VIDEO GAME. He can go suck a fat one, and so can you. Meanwhile, I pray every day for a chance to put my *** on the line 'defend' his freedom to be a lard ***....

I respect anyone who contributes to society. That can be the guy washing your car, to working at a store, to building roads. I think the whole "Have you served?" crap is total B.S. Both OP and you have something in common. You both think you're better than other people, but for different reasons.

[SpartanFiredog317]

Also, I dunno about anyone else, but the primary thing that messes me up is the two different movements of the arms and the torso. I can navigate just fine, and aim with the torso great, but the arm movement has been elusive to get on target, especially in circle fights, especially against light fast mechs. If there was a 'lock arms to torso' button that you could toggle, or press, like you can center your torso to your legs, my accuracy would increase by leaps and bounds... but this has added a level of challenge that the other Mechwarrior games never had, and I think adds to the simulation factor ..... which by the way... if anyone has ever tried a legit Flight sim with realistic settings, especially a combat flight sim... you know how stupid it is to make fun of people when the learning curve is months to years. Heck, I tried out my buddies NASCAR simulation game on real settings, with authentic control scheme... crashed a couple dozen times before even approaching race speeds... because it was different. To me, the arms distract my aiming in a circle fight because, I'm used to cross hairs being the main point of aim. .....Even without that, its still stupid to complain about 'bad' players, look at other FPS, there are beginners, below average, average, and ROFL stomp everyone in two seconds players... if your at the rofl stomp stage, congratulations... doesn't mean everyone else is terrible, you are either a naturally talented armchair warrior, or have a lot of time to spend learningthe ins and outs of it. Either way, stop being a douchebag.

[Leetskeet]

With any sense(They don't seem to have much, don't get your hopes up) we'll eventually get some sort of estimated skill bracketing system in the matchmaker. ELO, whatever you want to call it.

I expect nothing from PGI though. I'm pretty much used to doing more damage than the rest of my team combined by now.

[Bishop Steiner]

hanitora, on 14 November 2012 - 09:35 PM, said:

What, that the game is a ****** environment for a new player? Yes, it is and I agree.

Actually, the point is too many gamers like you act like entitled azzes, and want everything handed to you, then complain at the thought of actually reading the instructions. You are probably the one who complains when pulled over that YOU DIDN'T KNOW you were breaking any laws, even when common sense (which isn't) and the example of all your fellow drivers (or gamers in this instance) was telling you otherwise.

In other words, if you are too lazy to look stuff up, that's your fault, your problem, and you don't belong on the road (in the game) with those who do.

[KinLuu]

SpartanFiredog317, on 15 November 2012 - 02:59 AM, said:

... I gladly train to fight and kill the enemies of the United States of America, that doesn't mean I have to respect some D*bag lard *** that wants to make fun of people that don't spend as much time as him playing a VIDEO GAME. He can go suck a fat one, and so can you. Meanwhile, I pray every day for a chance to put my *** on the line 'defend' his freedom to be a lard ***....

This, ladies and gentleman, is a grunt.

You can tell by the primitive way of communication, and the inability to realize his place in society.

[Cole Allard]

SpartanFiredog317, on 15 November 2012 - 02:59 AM, said:

... I gladly train to fight and kill the enemies of the United States of America, that doesn't mean I have to respect some D*bag lard *** that wants to make fun of people that don't spend as much time as him playing a VIDEO GAME. He can go suck a fat one, and so can you. Meanwhile, I pray every day for a chance to put my *** on the line 'defend' his freedom to be a lard ***....

Your making it worse soldier!

Stop it now! From bare stupidity your getting into people and kids on this forum thinking you might actually be speaking for all US Soldiers. If you got an oppinion, that's your God givin right, and most of us actually wear a uniform exactly for that - so everyone can express his/her oppinions without fear.

I do understand that you want to communicate, but use your uniform one more time to underline and express your oppinions in a public forum that is actually read by kids and I promise you I'll put you to attention for 48 hours at the entrance of wallmarkt in Houston with a sign reading "I hate civies and I keep telling it your kids in public online forums" around your neck.

Lets see how long you can proudly hold the line Soldier.

AND YES....wearing your uniform means to pay respect to EVERY civilians point of view. If in doubt, ask your supperior.

[Grugore]

People are just getting more stupid. This is a fact. Back in the day, people needed a certain level of intelligence in order to survive. Natural selection would weed them from the gene pool. In a modern society, the dimwits are living long enough to pass on there genes. I fear that this spells disaster for the human race.

[SpartanFiredog317]

Soulscour, on 15 November 2012 - 03:16 AM, said:

I respect anyone who contributes to society. That can be the guy washing your car, to working at a store, to building roads. I think the whole "Have you served?" crap is total B.S. Both OP and you have something in common. You both think you're better than other people, but for different reasons.

To any extent I consider myself better than certain people, I consider myself needing improvement comparative to many others. ..... And I can garuntee you any real or percieved sense of superiority on my part, is completely secondary to my primary opinion that this thread was started by a douchebag.

[Lorcan Lladd]

The real issue, of course, is that some people refuse to cooperate with their random team mates - or perhaps they simply don't know how to use the text chat.

It doesn't matter how good or bad their gunnery and piloting are; if they're not going to play a team-oriented game as an actual team, then they will lose most matches and will not enjoy the game at all.
Same for anyone else whom has to play alongside them.

[SpartanFiredog317]

KinLuu, on 15 November 2012 - 03:25 AM, said:

This, ladies and gentleman, is a grunt. You can tell by the primitive way of communication, and the inability to realize his place in society.

Cole Allard, on 15 November 2012 - 03:29 AM, said:

Your making it worse soldier! Stop it now! From bare stupidity your getting into people and kids on this forum thinking you might actually be speaking for all US Soldiers. If you got an oppinion, that's your God givin right, and most of us actually wear a uniform exactly for that - so everyone can express his/her oppinions without fear. I do understand that you want to communicate, but use your uniform one more time to underline and express your oppinions in a public forum that is actually read by kids and I promise you I'll put you to attention for 48 hours at the entrance of wallmarkt in Houston with a sign reading "I hate civies and I keep telling it your kids in public online forums" around your neck. Lets see how long you can proudly hold the line Soldier. AND YES....wearing your uniform means to pay respect to EVERY civilians point of view. If in doubt, ask your supperior.

...My 'Respect' is the rifle I train with and fire at the enemy, I am a United States Marine not a 'soldier' I do not hate civies, I hate douchebag lard *** ******, incompetent 2nd LTs (and other assorted incompetent officers), and MRE's. Everything else is just annoying, and really I don't hate this guy, I just wanted to tell him to go F* himself.

Edited by SpartanFiredog317, 15 November 2012 - 03:54 AM.

[SpartanFiredog317]

If I ever get around to making a signature for these forums, KinLuu's line will be that signature.

[Soulscour]

SpartanFiredog317, on 15 November 2012 - 03:52 AM, said:

...My 'Respect' is the rifle I train with and fire at the enemy, I am a United States Marine not a 'soldier' I do not hate civies, I hate douchebag lard *** ******, incompetent 2nd LTs (and other assorted incompetent officers), and MRE's. Everything else is just annoying, and really I don't hate this guy, I just wanted to tell him to go F* himself.

ah. Carry on then.

[Grugore]

SpartanFiredog317, on 15 November 2012 - 03:39 AM, said:

To any extent I consider myself better than certain people, I consider myself needing improvement comparative to many others. ..... And I can garuntee you any real or percieved sense of superiority on my part, is completely secondary to my primary opinion that this thread was started by a douchebag.

So. How are those anger management classes going? Seriously dude. It's been rare for me to see someone who can convey contempt for others so well with the printed word. I could almost see you, standing in front of me, frothing at the mouth. Take a chill pill. Try to be nice to someone, for a change. It's not that difficult. BTW. I also served in the military, and I find your attitude disgraceful.

[Pershaw]

Tynian, on 14 November 2012 - 08:11 PM, said:

I love the game. What frustrates me is so many players that seem to be completely clueless. It's not like first person shooters are a new thing. Yet every game players can't figure basic things out, like red means bad guy or if you put the crosshair on the target you might hit them. Or even how to move. The UI and map are pretty standard and anyone coming from any other FPS should have no problems understanding the the HUD and even if they do they should pick it up pretty fast. Yet game after game, its the same thing. Friendly fire at start. Nobody reading the chat etc.. My last match I had someone who didn't even know there were teams. I have been playing FPS games for many years and I have never encountered the amount players that seem to have no clue and no ability to get one. I think that more then anything is ruining the ability to pug.

Hmm I wonder why every new game that comes out suffers from consolitis, regenerating health, only one direction to go with arrows pointing the way.

[Soulscour]

Grugore, on 15 November 2012 - 04:00 AM, said:

So. How are those anger management classes going? Seriously dude. It's been rare for me to see someone who can convey contempt for others so well with the printed word. I could almost see you, standing in front of me, frothing at the mouth. Take a chill pill. Try to be nice to someone, for a change. It's not that difficult. BTW. I also served in the military, and I find your attitude disgraceful.

Everyone makes mistakes grugore. Even generals

[SpartanFiredog317]

Grugore, on 15 November 2012 - 04:00 AM, said:

So. How are those anger management classes going? Seriously dude. It's been rare for me to see someone who can convey contempt for others so well with the printed word. I could almost see you, standing in front of me, frothing at the mouth. Take a chill pill. Try to be nice to someone, for a change. It's not that difficult. BTW. I also served in the military, and I find your attitude disgraceful.

My contempt is directed at this one particular person, and his 'hardcore' gamer ilk, and find me 'disgraceful' if you want, but I follow orders, I do my job, I do it well, and I don't need anger management, I need a rifle, a KA-Bar and a *ing deployment.