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[Xyph3r]

The unnamed one, on 28 April 2012 - 04:14 PM, said:

If you are going that far why not kick it up to a mini-punt gun (old big ****ing shotgun).


Fine then I call that and raise you a plasma bolter combi rilfe

well, i´d have taken a Bolter or Combi rifle, but without a Space Marine power armor, these babies use to get quite heavy

Edited by Xyph3r, 28 April 2012 - 05:17 PM.

[Baldwin Chang]

Well, the gun i conceal carry irl is a Taurus Judge Public Defender with two rounds of .410 bore buckshot and three rounds of .45 colt.
As far as a survival and PD weapon for an ejected pilot behind enemy lines I think an ideal weapon would be the MP7

Edited by Jeremiah Mint, 28 April 2012 - 05:50 PM.

[C0VVB3LL]

Haakon Valravn, on 28 April 2012 - 04:48 PM, said:

Not familiar with canon small arms, but...

unlike the P90, it's still effective when fired in a semi-automatic mode, where the P90 has to be used full-auto.

Not to call anyone out but the P90 is a select fire weapon meaning that you can fire semi as well as whatever flavor and or combination of automatic fire the designers deem upon the design i.e. full, three round bust, etc. in the case of the P90 the selector has safe semi and full auto rock and roll Ted Nugent style strangle hold action... unless you're playing "Call of Duty" in which case it nevermind.

Jeremiah Mint, on 28 April 2012 - 05:17 PM, said:

Well, the gun i conceal carry irl is a Taurus Judge Public Defender with three rounds of .410 bore buckshot and three rounds of .45 colt.
As far as a survival and PD weapon for an ejected pilot behind enemy lines I think an ideal weapon would be the MP7

I think the judge is a 5 rounder.

[Baldwin Chang]

C0VVB3LL, on 28 April 2012 - 05:47 PM, said:

I think the judge is a 5 rounder.

Thats supposed to be two 410 rounds not three. Thank you for correcting a very obvious mistake on my part.

[The unnamed one]

Xyph3r, on 28 April 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

well, i´d have taken a Bolter or Combi rifle, but without a Space Marine power armor, these babies use to get quite heavy

true, if I was going for the Marine version.

[Haakon Valravn]

C0VVB3LL, on 28 April 2012 - 05:47 PM, said:

Not to call anyone out but the P90 is a select fire weapon meaning that you can fire semi as well as whatever flavor and or combination of automatic fire the designers deem upon the design i.e. full, three round bust, etc. in the case of the P90 the selector has safe semi and full auto rock and roll Ted Nugent style strangle hold action... unless you're playing "Call of Duty" in which case it nevermind.

Yes, the P90 is select-fire. Safe, Fire, Auto. In Auto it has a two-stage-ish trigger where the first 'stage' gets you semi-auto and the second gets you full-auto, much like the military Steyr AUG (the FN F2000 operates identically). Because the round is puny, it has to fired cyclically in order to be effective. Ditto the MP7.

Details: here.

@Jeremiah Mint: Unless you're primarily concerned about being attacked by snakes or prairie dogs, you might want to rethink your choice. You might want to rethink it, anyway, because of the fact that it's made by a company with the worst QC/QA I have ever experienced. (Seen more problems with Taurus's, especially their revolvers, than all other brands combined.)

[C0VVB3LL]

Haakon Valravn, on 28 April 2012 - 07:19 PM, said:

Because the round is puny, it has to fired cyclically in order to be effective.

No argument there, it would take someone out with good shot placement but it is essentially a beefed up 22mag.

[Orsus Z]

Sternsnacht. Solaris tested, MechWarrior approved.

Of course, I'd prefer to have a dao-styled sword as a backup weapon.

[Hakija]

I have only one thing I need.

[Catamount]

The P90 doesn't pack enormous punch shot for shot, but it's vastly smaller than most of the suggested alternatives, and carries more ammunition to partly offset the round-for-round energy deficit, and when it is in full auto, it's a very devestating weapon, not least because of its controllability.

Sure, if I wanted to pack a bigger weapon, or more wepaons then of course I could find a setup more powerful than just a P90, but if I wanted to carry a whole ground arsenal, I wouldn't be a mech pilot in the first place, and once I did eject from my mech, my foremost concern wouldn't certainly be continued engagement. It'd be getting the hell out of there (something I'd do a lot better without a ton of bulk in weaponry).

Edited by Catamount, 28 April 2012 - 08:30 PM.

[Haakon Valravn]

Then why not use an AR-7? Lightweight, compact. Hell, it even floats! Utterly non-threatening. But useful if you have to survive in the field for a time.

The P90 is a poor choice, no matter which way you cut it. Read the article I linked to: The P90 does nothing, and I mean nothing, that other platforms cannot do better while being less specialized. It is a solution in search of a problem. The question it was designed to answer has become moot. (The question was, "What do you arm NATO truck drivers with when the Red Army is driving into West Germany?" America's answer to that question was the M4 and M4A1 carbines. Weapons whose utility is so exponentially greater than the P90 that, while the P90 has languished for over a decade for someone to buy it, use it, and still take it seriously, the M4/M4A1 has become the standard issue long gun for Army infantry, de facto standard issue for the Marines, with variations on the theme being adopted by special forces the world-over, countless American law enforcement agencies at all levels, and one of the fastest growing market segments in the American civilian firearms market.)

Yes, the P90's fifty-round magazine is a fantastic design feature (so long as you don't have to reload), but when it takes half a magazine to neutralize a threat (and even then, it only works effectively at close range) versus a quarter, at any range from the muzzle to 400+ meters (assuming a twenty round magazine for compactness), which would you rather have? Yeah, you may give up a bit in compactness and weight, but not when both weapons (P90 and any of its close light rifle-caliber counterparts) are similarly equipped (quality optics, not the crap the P90 can ship with, weapon light, IR laser/illuminator, sound suppressor, &c. In fact, it would be impossible to run a night optic in conjuction with a day optic on the P90, not so for its competitors).

[JunkyardWolf]

Penetrator, on 26 April 2012 - 11:25 PM, said:

A tomahawk or hatchet. Sneer all you want I've never had a more useful sidearm.

Nice! and no ammo or jamming issues. Tomahawk for me.......and a Mare's leg in 45colt just for giggles

[Claw55]

MechRaccoon, on 28 April 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

The first thing I'd pack would be an M4A1 Pulse Rifle with enough bullets & grenades to blow the **** out of a star of Elementals.










I also wouldn't forget a cold Dr. Pepper. Remember, you need to, *cough cough*, stay frosty.

Dammit! I knew I forgot something...

[Charles Martel]

Haakon Valravn, on 28 April 2012 - 07:19 PM, said:

Yes, the P90 is select-fire. Safe, Fire, Auto. In Auto it has a two-stage-ish trigger where the first 'stage' gets you semi-auto and the second gets you full-auto, much like the military Steyr AUG (the FN F2000 operates identically). Because the round is puny, it has to fired cyclically in order to be effective. Ditto the MP7.

Details: here.

I wouldn't call something that hits like 5.56x45mm at 200m. within it's intended operational range of 100m. "puny". Particularly if using some of Elite Ammunition's little toys which create wound channels only matchable by magnum level traditional handgun rounds.

Given that I actually own a Five-Seven handgun and a PS90 semi-auto carbine, and experience in the use of it's P90 cousin I'm pretty aware of what the round can and can't do. The "5.7 is .22WMR" silliness is just that, silliness. Like any other SMG, it's a weapon for when the use of an automatic weapon with an intermediate or full rifle cartridge is not suitable.

Likewise, I own an M-4gery and have used actual M-4 carbines, and their handling characteristics in close quarters are inferior to the P90. In addition, the M-4 fires a cartridge designed for a much longer barreled weapon. Due to it's ridiculously short barrel for a 5.56x45mm weapon, it nullifies most of the ballistic advantages of the more powerful cartridge and reduces the projectile's overall effectiveness.

All of that said, a firearm is no different than any other weapon, within reason both can kill anything they're designed to kill, but it's up to the weapon system's operator to do their part.

So what's next, the inane 9mm vs. .45/.40/Machismo Magnum .900 or the equally inane 5.56x45mm vs. 7.62x39?

Edited by Charles Martel, 28 April 2012 - 10:31 PM.

[pursang]

Claw55, on 27 April 2012 - 10:44 PM, said:

I'm personally a big fan of the M41A Pulse Rifle. It loads a clip of 99 10x28mm caseless rounds (which would be much, MUCH more effective than you see in any the Alien films or AVP games), so even if you lost all the mags in ejection, you'd still be good for a while as long as you fire conservatively. The high rate of fire (900rpm) means accuracy is a problem at range if you fire full-auto, but it is otherwise fairly easy to handle. It also comes loaded with a 30mm grenade launcher, which is surprisingly accurate at range, but is very dangerous to use close up.

No, not really. Despite the rifles' high fire rate and use of caseles rounds, what you've failed to take note of in your reasoning is the aliens (xenomorphs) themselves.

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The Xenomorph Warrior is equipped to be the perfect killing machine. It dons an exoskeleton much like that of a lobster, impenetrable to everything but the most powerful human firearms. (12-gauge shotguns, Pulse Rifles, and stanchion launchers are quite effective).

http://aliens.wikia.com/wiki/Xenomorph

Xenomorphs are heavily armored - possibly bio-engineered - bioweapons. I mean, have you tried shooting the carapace of a crab with a pellet gun? The result would be similar.

/Alien nerdout

Edited by pursang, 28 April 2012 - 11:33 PM.

[-Ramrod-]

I'd be armed with a Kamehameha .

[Felicitatem Parco]

I've got a folding KelTec Sub-2000 chambered in .40s&w that uses 15-round glock 22 mags... and I have a glock 35, which is the target-version of the g22. The Kel-Tec folds up to the size of a collapsible umbrella for storage/transport, has a 16" barrel for higher muzzle velocity, an extra mag holder on the buttstock, and is very accurate; it's my backpacking assault carbine to compliment the target-grade sidearm. Shared ammo, shared mags.

P-90 and a Five-Seven would be cool if I had unlimited funds and access to "more useful" ammo that what I can get otherwise...

Edited by Prosperity Park, 28 April 2012 - 11:57 PM.

[Volthorne]

I'm noticing a trend towards "close-quarters" weapons. In which case, you want the MAUL. Basically the be-all-end-all of lightweight, compact, close-quarters "punch". Like, seriously? 1.8lbs? Lighter than the P90. 12guage shotgun rounds? Hey, nice hole in your chest, buddy. Not enough firepower still? Mount it on an assault rifle!

But wouldn't the point of a PDW be not letting your enemy get close to you in the first place?

Edited by Volthorne, 28 April 2012 - 11:58 PM.

[sheradin]

ok how about a 50cal. desert egale or a good old tompson

[Aurora2021]

For a PDW I think that I would go with a standard-issue Grav-gun out to the "Empire from the Ashes" universe (a trilogy of Sci-Fi books by David Weber). Think of a gun the size of a largish M4A1 with roughly a 100 round magazine that is capable of a high ROF with HEAP flechette darts, this includes select-fire. The Grav-Gun is essentially a miniaturized Gauss rifle with the capacity to fire hundreds of exploding darts a second, plus the magazines are fairly small so you can carry a respectable number of them. If I had to choose a smaller weapon however, I would definitely choose the Grav-Pistol out of the same universe. It's about the size of an MP7 by my reckoning and retains many of the same capabilities as the Grav-Gun, though with a smaller magazine and simple flechette darts, though that's not to say they are not deadly. Keep in mind that these weapons are designed for augmented humans, and the Grav-Gun is large enough to be a full weapon system for an unaugmented human while being merely a oversized sidearm for an augmented one. The Grav-Pistol was designed for unaugmented humans.

As a sidearm I would most likely go with a good, old-fashioned Colt 45. or one of its upgraded counterparts, though a needle pistol is up for grabs as well, I suppose it would depend on the situation, but I would not take anything particularly heavy if I could help it as I would already be carrying the Grav-Gun or its smaller cousin.

On a final note, I would also pack a battle-steel Katana with the ability to act like a vibro-blade. This would mean that it would be able to cut through pretty much anything like a clan X-pulse laser through boiler plate. Of course, the generator would be battery powered and capable of sustained operation for long periods of time.

Edited by Aurora2021, 30 April 2012 - 07:00 AM.