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[Terran123rd]

Erasus Magnus, on 28 March 2013 - 11:30 AM, said:

There were no MechAssault games

They never existed

You have been warned

And they were good games.

[Erasus Magnus]

Terran123rd, on 28 March 2013 - 11:34 AM, said:

And they were good games.

Trolling troll is trolling a troll. Made me reply.

[DKTuesday]

I just want to inform you all, that Call of Duty is in first person. That is all.

[Terran123rd]

Erasus Magnus, on 28 March 2013 - 11:36 AM, said:

Trolling troll is trolling a troll. Made me reply.

No, I actually like them. If I knew where my copy of 1 was, I'd be playing it too right now. I know, it's heresy on the level of playing to have fun, but it's the truth. That's my real opinion and it's not going to change. Whether you believe me or not is irrelevant.

[Erasus Magnus]

Terran123rd, on 28 March 2013 - 12:33 PM, said:

No, I actually like them. If I knew where my copy of 1 was, I'd be playing it too right now. I know, it's heresy on the level of playing to have fun, but it's the truth. That's my real opinion and it's not going to change. Whether you believe me or not is irrelevant.

I know literally NO ONE that ever came to like this game at all. it was a preposterous perversion of the battletech franchise, in my humble opinion.
so i sincerely thought you were re-trolling me.
but of course to each its own. I f you really liked this game, then more power to you!

[Godswrath]

Erasus Magnus, on 28 March 2013 - 03:06 PM, said:

I know literally NO ONE that ever came to like this game at all. it was a preposterous perversion of the battletech franchise, in my humble opinion.
so i sincerely thought you were re-trolling me.
but of course to each its own. I f you really liked this game, then more power to you!

<----**raises hand**

I too own and liked mechassault 2 for xbox...its boxed away in the closet but alas I did enjoy it..lol.
never realized it was a perversion of the franchise....if its any consolation, I've played the crap out of mechwarrior 2 through 4 on pc as well

[WX Gunny Sa KhAN]

3rd person was never a problem in the old MechWarrior .. I played from 91-2003 ,, before that was 89-91 wireframe Battletech Mechs ,,, It was a preference back in the day either 3rd or 1st but be it know if you ran 3rd person it was kind of on the line of unhonorable fighting ... Not quite as bad as Legging, but ya not good if your arguing with someone about who's a better Mech pilot since it is quite an unfair advantage , specially when those little Ankle biters are doing Donuts around your assault Mechs...

[Jakob Knight]

WX Gunny Sa KhAN, on 29 March 2013 - 04:08 AM, said:

3rd person was never a problem in the old MechWarrior .. I played from 91-2003 ,, before that was 89-91 wireframe Battletech Mechs ,,, It was a preference back in the day either 3rd or 1st but be it know if you ran 3rd person it was kind of on the line of unhonorable fighting ... Not quite as bad as Legging, but ya not good if your arguing with someone about who's a better Mech pilot since it is quite an unfair advantage , specially when those little Ankle biters are doing Donuts around your assault Mechs...

A couple of things to note whenever the 'it wasn't a problem in previous MW games' argument comes up...

1) Those games were single-player focused games with very limited multi-player content. They allowed 3rd person because they didn't care about the PVP aspect of the game, and most of the mechanics of the game didn't involve loss of targeting if you didn't see the target out your front window (360 degree targeting was the norm). In short, third-person was left in during multi-player mode because it was in single-player mode (the main part of the game, whereas multiplayer was an optional, low-priority part of the game), where the devs wanted the players to drool over their own mech more than learn to drive it well.

2) When played in multiplayer mode, the 3rd person view -did- cause problems for those not using it. They were often backshot by the 3rd person people who could see over and around obstacles the 1st person players could not, or indirectly attacked by units unsupported by spotters or advanced tech that they could not detect.

3) MechWarrior Online systems behave differently than in previous games, and the setup is also different. What may have only been an unfair advantage in previous games can be a crippling advantage here. Also, MWO was supposed to be a more accurate realization of the Battletech universe than previous titles, making 3rd person a contradiction in vision for the game.

Edited by Jakob Knight, 29 March 2013 - 06:00 AM.

[Frosty Thundertrod]

I have spent a lot of money on MWO, I own all the hero mech have has non stop premium time. Because I enjoy the game. if you implement 3rd person view that will ruin the game for me. and I will stop paying and playing.

[DeaconW]

I just wanted to point out to those promoting compromise positions such as allowing 3PV in training grounds and trial mechs that that position is untenable because new players will get used to using 3PV and when it is taken away when they step up to a real mech, they will QQ loudly. This type of compromise is just the camel's nose in the tent and would only be a delaying tactic because we have all been told whose opinion PGI values the most from the devs themselves...newbie PUG's.

To be clear, this is not about elitism. I am all for attracting new players...but 3PV is NOT the way to do it. How about, I dunno, a functional TUTORIAL MODE against bots. I mean, that would TOTALLY be breaking new ground in the video game world but maybe we could try it?

[Henric Pryde]

I have said this before. If you put 3rd person into this game, in anyway, I will cease supporting this game with my money or my time and go find something else to play.

[SoulROM]

Another attempt to dumb down a game that is adequately engineered to give the pilot a true Mechwarrior experience.

If you want 3rd person, go play Tomb Raider!

[Mordynak]

Sheer genius there SoulROM.

I don't know why this is still being discussed. PGI have already stated they are adding 3rd person view to help new players get a feel for how the mechs are controlled.

They also stated that it would be entirely OPTIONAL. Giving players the choice to use or play against players that use 3rd person.

Worse things could happen that a 3rd person view. 3rd person won't dumb down the game at all. Raging idiots are already doing a great job of that...

Seriously people, quit the stupid moaning and arguements.

[CyBerkut]

Mordynak, on 31 March 2013 - 11:04 AM, said:

Sheer genius there SoulROM.

I don't know why this is still being discussed. PGI have already stated they are adding 3rd person view to help new players get a feel for how the mechs are controlled.

They also stated that it would be entirely OPTIONAL. Giving players the choice to use or play against players that use 3rd person.

Worse things could happen that a 3rd person view. 3rd person won't dumb down the game at all. Raging idiots are already doing a great job of that...

Seriously people, quit the stupid moaning and arguements.

What, like you just did? LOL !!! Coming into a thread with pejoratives and arguing with people rarely results in the arguments ceasing. Funny how that works...

Some of us do not share your apparent confidence in PGI's ultimate actions vs. their earlier statements (ie. Coolant flush will not be put in the game) in light of what has already come to pass. As such, I doubt people who feel strongly about this are going to quiet down about it, until they see the actual implementation. Even after the initial implementation appears, there will still be concerns about how it might get changed later into something less acceptable. Sadly, some ill-advised statements have been made that has hurt PGI's credibility with some in the community. The discontent you see in here is a reaping of what has already been sown.

It's disheartening to watch, because once that hole has been dug, it is a long painful process to climb out. I'm not saying that PGI will implement 3PV in a truly bad way. I don't know what they will do. Earlier on, I might have been more inclined to have less alarm over the prospect based upon the (rather general) assurances offered. Now... it's going to take a lot more specific information, answers to questions/concerns, and a thoroughly believable rationale as to why it is being done... before I'm likely to trust that PGI is doing the right thing with this.

[Liquidation]

I think the only feasible place for this would be in the Training Grounds, just to give some other vantage to familiarize yourself with the maps. Otherwise, unless there's going to be a video replay section...doesn't seem reasonable. It's almost like calling a shooter game with an over-the-shoulder perspective, an FPS.

[Henric Pryde]

3rd Person in any form will ruin this game, period.

[Hawker]

I also will add my voice to the no's, at least in game play against other players. If for example you want to add PvE, or maybe Mech races around a circuit or just drive your mech downtown to the local bar, then sure 3rd person would be fine, but if you are dropping in a 8v8 or 12v12 or whatever against other human players, 1st person only.

[Kapre]

It will affect the game and the game is the players. To put it in simply.. no players in MWO it is not the Mechs that dies but the game itself.

Perfect sample is when your Mech is getting hit by a missiles in the face. It affects your view and your ability to retaliate while on on the 3rd person view it does not matter. The pilot supposed to be seating on the cockpit covered with glass to view the enemy not hiding on it while viewing outside using a webcam place on the ears or shoulder of the mechs.

I also ask question why bother spending resources on this when so many things can be done to improve the games.

Introduce more maps, modes and mechs. The assist is not even included in the stat although it is included in the score board.
We don't have any rankings. Most variant owned, top killer, top on assist and others.

[General Kefka]

3rd person view will give an unfair advantage to those using it, forcing the 1st person players to play 3rd person. You want to look at your mech more? Sit in your mechbay. This is MechWarrior Online not Floating Camera Online. You play as a MechWarrior sitting INSIDE a mech not in the news chopper recording the battle. If you want more cinematic play-by-plays, give them to the dead people. Maybe like an action cam, or fly-by cams. But make them focus on the action, or teammates, not as a spy plane for teammates to relay over VoIP.

[Spirit of the Wolf]

I am vowing right now that, regardless of who uses 3PV, or the method in which it is implemented, I will not be using it.
Much like how I don't use ECM.

Why?
Because I don't want to.