12 replies to this topic

[Diresquid]

but what about being able to observe and bet mc on fights, some form of system where maybe its small teams 2v2 3v3 or a duel, pay mc to enter, winner gets other teams mc, people betting on fights to win or lose their own mc, i would make it mc because then it adds more gravity to the fights and limits competitors. cbills would result in a non elitist duelling structure :S

[Dagger906]

Illegal.

Change MC to Cbills.

[Deadoon]

Could probably be counted as real money, skill based gambling.

[Usagi]

it's a bad idea because it would be extrodinarily easy to fix fights. Just get together an 8 man team, with a 9th man to bet, drop as a team and throw the fight.

[xenoglyph]

It's not illegal at all. You can't change MC back into money.

[Dagger906]

xenoglyph, on 18 November 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

It's not illegal at all. You can't change MC back into money.

Doesn't matter, at least not under US laws. Current servers are based in US, dev's studio is in US, and most of their customers are in US. It's illegal.

[Deadoon]

xenoglyph, on 18 November 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

It's not illegal at all. You can't change MC back into money.

Mc is a real money derived currency, since you can only obtain it via real money, and since you can redeem it for something else it counts as a derivative currency, thus not allowed to be used as betting material.

Otherwise you would have betting on non chance based games, and use a token you must purchase which is used for betting and then be able to redeem betting tokens for something else.

[Treckin]

Deadoon, on 18 November 2012 - 05:06 PM, said:

Mc is a real money derived currency, since you can only obtain it via real money, and since you can redeem it for something else it counts as a derivative currency, thus not allowed to be used as betting material. Otherwise you would have betting on non chance based games, and use a token you must purchase which is used for betting and then be able to redeem betting tokens for something else.

Please, drop a link to prove what you're saying, because you just described every state fare and Chuck E Cheeses as a criminal gambling enterprise...

Buying tokens, playing with skill, and redeeming for non-currency goods is illegal now?

Link or it didnt happen.

Example: The claw machine - where you have to insert coins for credit, then you get a gambled attempt to snag a prize.

Edited by Treckin, 18 November 2012 - 05:59 PM.

[Morashtak]

Federal Wire Act

and

Online Gambling (Legality)

additional external links avail on both pages

But wait! There's more! Just today...

From the Politico - Groups push for changes to online gaming bill

"The draft measure details a plan to ban all Internet gambling except online poker and, in a very limited way, online lotteries. It would create an Office of Online Poker Oversight within the Department of Commerce, with sweeping powers over licensing."

And why should the government push their citizens to gamble mainly at gambling cities such as Las Vegas and Reno? Let's see who is one of the main authors of the bill, shall we? Why it's Senator Harry Reid, Democrat, of Nevada. Why, surprise, surprise! A Senator abusing his position to pass a bill aimed primarily to benefit his campaign donors. Who would have thought something like this would happen in todays era of "looking out for the middle class and downtrodden"? /snark

Wake up, people.

Edited by Morashtak, 19 November 2012 - 01:16 PM.

[Vertrucio]

Generally, unless your game is made around the concept, it's best not to ever put in wagering of any kind, even for non-real game currency. This is because you'll then have to implement all the stuff that prevents it from getting out of control, and even then you can have stuff like fixed matches, and more.

[MaddMaxx]

Dagger906, on 18 November 2012 - 04:50 PM, said:

Doesn't matter, at least not under US laws. Current servers are based in US, dev's studio is in US, and most of their customers are in US. It's illegal.

And does anyone wonder why they don't listen to much to what the Forum goers have to say?

MWO is developed by a Canadian Company, PGI and Published by a Canadian company IGP. (Holy smokes batman!)

[Darwins Dog]

I love the idea of being able to bet on solaris style matches. In a perfect world, it would be great. As others have said though, it would be too easy to fix matches etc.

Possibly a single elimination tournament with an entry fee, and the winner gets the pot would work.

Also, probably better to keep it to c-bills. Whether or not it is actually illegal to use MC, it would invite trouble. Magic: the Gathering got in trouble with gambling laws because the original rules required players to play for ante.

[Deadoon]

MaddMaxx, on 19 November 2012 - 09:31 AM, said:

And does anyone wonder why they don't listen to much to what the Forum goers have to say?

MWO is developed by a Canadian Company, PGI and Published by a Canadian company IGP. (Holy smokes batman!)

Despite his error, just because they are in another country, doesn't change that they need to follow the laws of foreign countries if they wish to do business there.