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[FrupertApricot]

55 tons is the most efficient weight for a mech to go 80~ kph and it is my personal favorite weigth class dominated by classic and effective designs. Why the **** does MWO have 3 50 tonners instead? Id headbutt a nun for a non unseen mech like the kintaro

[Sean von Steinike]

Because the game is still in Beta and new mechs are still rolling off the assembly lines.

[FrupertApricot]

Theres not even one announced and its probably the most common and effective middle weight chassis for weapons platforms. seems weird to have 3 50 tonners but no 55s.

[Rifter]

FrupertApricot, on 19 November 2012 - 03:44 AM, said:

55 tons is the most efficient weight for a mech to go 80~ kph and it is my personal favorite weigth class dominated by classic and effective designs. Why the **** does MWO have 3 50 tonners instead? Id headbutt a nun for a non unseen mech like the kintaro

I agree and stated as much many times in closed beta.

Mediums need to be able to flank, and for that you need speed. that is there general role to play and the slow *** mediums we have now are all assault class browler slow so it makes them hard to use as a medium should be used.

The sad reality is all our heavy mechs are faster in stock format than our mediums, whats the hell was PGI thinking whe they made that decision ill never know.

We are in dire need of a mobile medium such as: Shadow Hawk, Griffen, Dervish, Assasin, etc.

[Greers]

Rifter, on 19 November 2012 - 03:50 AM, said:

I agree and stated as much many times in closed beta.

Mediums need to be able to flank, and for that you need speed. that is there general role to play and the slow *** mediums we have now are all assault class browler slow so it makes them hard to use as a medium should be used.

The sad reality is all our heavy mechs are faster in stock format than our mediums, whats the hell was PGI thinking whe they made that decision ill never know.

We are in dire need of a mobile medium such as: Shadow Hawk, Griffen, Dervish, Assasin, etc.

Trebuchet? Stock Speed 86. Cicada? Stock Speed 129.

That's your "Mobile Mediums". Reduce Speed on the Cicada to 89 by using a Regular 220 and you free up 15 tons of armor and weapons and it's still faster than any Heavy.

[FrupertApricot]

its all about speed to weight tonnage efficiency. at 55 tons the 5/8 (80~kph) speed rating is at its most efficient. the trebuchet is 50 tons and would be better served by a diff weight of engine or higher tonnage.

Also the dervish is badass. two lrm racks, two med lasers, two SRMs, and it go 85kph while jumping. Also its chesticles look like beer coolers. Way too cool

[Ghogiel]

The only 55tonners in the 3039 TRO are..

Dervish
Kintaro

Besides that you only have unseens>
Griffin
Scorpion
Shadow Hawk
Wolverine

The possibility of a Kintaro or Dervish are half decent imo.

[stjobe]

There's just not that many 3049 'mechs in the 55-ton class that aren't Clan 'mechs, Unseen, or Lostech.

Off the top of my head, there's the Dervish, and that's really a fire support 'mech; something we have enough of as is.

[Joseph Mallan]

It's a shame too. Cause the Griffin, Shadow Hawk & Wolverine were true work horse Mechs.

[Thorn Hallis]

I'm looking forward to see the Grim Reaper on day in MWO.

[Green Mamba]

Bring on the Bushwacker

[Joseph Mallan]

Reaper is an underrated design.

[Lonestar1771]

Dervish is crap

[Huntsman]

The Bushwacker is 3 years away at 1:1 and the only other 55 tonner folks usually chomp at the bit for, the Stormcrow, will hopefully come with the clans arrival.

[Rifter]

Just because they are unseen does not mean they cant be implemented with new artwork.

The artowork and small changes to the current mechs made by PGI look beautiful i have faith that they could bring in the unseens with new models and have them looking acceptable.

[Taiji]

Yep, a spread of weights seems an obvious choice. No idea why it's not been done this way.

[stjobe]

Rifter, on 19 November 2012 - 06:09 AM, said:

Just because they are unseen does not mean they cant be implemented with new artwork.

The artowork and small changes to the current mechs made by PGI look beautiful i have faith that they could bring in the unseens with new models and have them looking acceptable.

Absolutely, and that's what I'm hoping for. I'd love to see PGI's take on the Unseen, and I would gladly pay money to be able to pilot a Wasp, a Shadow Hawk, a Thunderbolt, or a Battlemaster.

IIRC, Garth (or was it Bryan? or Russ?) said that there's nothing really stopping them from using the Unseen. But then again, if that's so, where's my Locust? Where's any of the iconic Battletech 'mechs?

For many of us old BT greybeards, the Unseen *are* Battletech; the clan cheese doesn't even compete. The TRO 3025 is where it's at for me personally, and the Unseen are a big part of that. I don't really care at all about the clans and their less-heat-more-damage-better-at-everything tech.

[Lefty Lucy]

60 tons is actually the most efficient chassis for 5/8 movement (or ~80 KPH ground speed).

55 tons is only more efficient if you're adding jump jets.

[Strum Wealh]

Rifter, on 19 November 2012 - 03:50 AM, said:

I agree and stated as much many times in closed beta.

Mediums need to be able to flank, and for that you need speed. that is there general role to play and the slow *** mediums we have now are all assault class browler slow so it makes them hard to use as a medium should be used.

The sad reality is all our heavy mechs are faster in stock format than our mediums, whats the hell was PGI thinking whe they made that decision ill never know.

We are in dire need of a mobile medium such as: Shadow Hawk, Griffen, Dervish, Assasin, etc.

Greers, on 19 November 2012 - 04:30 AM, said:

Trebuchet? Stock Speed 86. Cicada? Stock Speed 129.

That's your "Mobile Mediums". Reduce Speed on the Cicada to 89 by using a Regular 220 and you free up 15 tons of armor and weapons and it's still faster than any Heavy.

Also, it should be noted that the Trebuchet is (or, at least, was... as of Ask the Devs 18) planned to be released with two jump-capable variants: the TBT-5J and the TBT-7M.

FrupertApricot, on 19 November 2012 - 04:37 AM, said:

its all about speed to weight tonnage efficiency. at 55 tons the 5/8 (80~kph) speed rating is at its most efficient. the trebuchet is 50 tons and would be better served by a diff weight of engine or higher tonnage.

Also the dervish is badass. two lrm racks, two med lasers, two SRMs, and it go 85kph while jumping. Also its chesticles look like beer coolers. Way too cool

Both of the above-named Trebuchet variants are 5/8/5 Mediums.
Though, having the Dervish in addition to the other 'Mechs would be great as well...

Edited by Strum Wealh, 19 November 2012 - 08:42 AM.

[Clay Pigeon]

FrupertApricot, on 19 November 2012 - 04:37 AM, said:

its all about speed to weight tonnage efficiency. at 55 tons the 5/8 (80~kph) speed rating is at its most efficient. the trebuchet is 50 tons and would be better served by a diff weight of engine or higher tonnage.

Also the dervish is badass. two lrm racks, two med lasers, two SRMs, and it go 85kph while jumping. Also its chesticles look like beer coolers. Way too cool

Run speed isn't rounded to the next hex in MWO. That is why the assaults we have (except aws-9m) all go 48.6 stock instead of 54).