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[TANTE EMMA]

Wildcat, on 20 November 2012 - 09:52 AM, said:

PUGs have High Skill and even have more skill than most Premade Players...

I honestly doubt that...played plenty of PuGs the last couple of days and it was hilarious how bad they did.

[Sevaradan]

Vassago Rain, on 20 November 2012 - 12:21 PM, said:

So nothing's changed? That's good to know.

Nah, I'll actually put some effort into it now.

Edited by Sevaradan, 20 November 2012 - 12:30 PM.

[Fenix0742]

No phase 2 in the patch notes. Bet you feel megadumb, OP. Shouldn't count your premades before they patch!

[Grand Ayatollah Kerensky]

Yeah, with the new 4 man teams, it's given me the occasional opportunity to watch my pug teammates through their cockpits while they completely f*ck up and turn what would be an easy win for competent players, into a humiliating defeat.

I hate pugs so much. I hate them so very very much. They are a cancer on this game.

[Max Power]

Zeh, on 20 November 2012 - 10:35 AM, said:

Is Ultrabeast bad at communicating with people? Maybe. He does come across as high-and-mighty.

Has he said anything blatantly false? Nope.

People that get on Teamspeak are, on average, significantly better players than those that don't put in that minimal effort.

The knee-jerk reactions of forum-goers is amazing.. to the point where someone in this thread said random PUGers are better than people on Teamspeak. That's silly.

Why is he bad because he's a braggart? He might be someone you don't want to talk to (I certainly don't like his attitude). But the correct reaction is to ignore it, not get in a ******* match claiming things that are ridiculous to try to take him down a notch.

Silly indeed.

And for the record, people in organized clans are better than people that aren't. People that get on Teamspeak are better than people that don't. (In general) To think otherwise... well, I don't understand your logic, please explain in detail how such a pattern would emerge.

Players on the TS server aren't necessarily better, they just have better means to communicate.

[Congzilla]

Wildcat, on 20 November 2012 - 09:52 AM, said:

ummmmmmmmmm..................... PUGs have High Skill and even have more skill than most Premade Players....


Get over yourself................

I laugh in the face of anyone who actually believes that nonsense.

[Wildcat]

Noakei Siegel, on 20 November 2012 - 12:26 PM, said:

I honestly doubt that...played plenty of PuGs the last couple of days and it was hilarious how bad they did.

and ive seen PUGs in action a lot more than you have..... and I can tell you now, Coordination is the only thing going for Premades....

[Agent of Change]

Fenix0742, on 20 November 2012 - 12:32 PM, said:

Shouldn't count your premades before they patch!

ZOMG ROFL

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA




(i lol'd)

Edited by Agent of Change, 20 November 2012 - 12:39 PM.

[Star Colonel Mustard Kerensky]

Max Power, on 20 November 2012 - 12:36 PM, said:

Players on the TS server aren't necessarily better, they just have better means to communicate.

It's also their attitude. The kind of person that is going to get on ts and try to work with other people is more likely to accept advice and constructive criticism than some random guy who insists on going it alone. (there are exceptions of course)

[Hexcaliber]

Ultrabeast, on 20 November 2012 - 09:37 AM, said:

This is the Pug sailing through space without us to guide him. He soon drifts into a black hole and finds he can't whine about us any more.



Without us, the Pugs will have nobody to watch play and learn from. Instead they will learn things from each other like "Who can shoot their own leg off first", or "Let's race to run out of bounds!" They will never become great, sadly. Goodbye little friends. We will miss you.

Moron, you don't think clan players pug too? Yet another example that any **** can join a premade.

Many players in premade's are decidedly average/below average gamers hiding behind the auspices of one or two stronger gamers. Joining and playing in premade's doesn't improve an individuals ability one iota, most are sheep that just do what they are told.

Edited by Hexcaliber, 20 November 2012 - 12:51 PM.

[Gunny McDuck]

Wildcat, on 20 November 2012 - 12:38 PM, said:

and ive seen PUGs in action a lot more than you have..... and I can tell you now, Coordination is the only thing going for Premades....

Practicing with the same team all the time?
Developing tactics and training so virtually everyone you play with responds predictably while in combat?
Discipline under fire and knowing the orders of the drop commander will be followed?
Playing with the same people so you know where their strengths and weaknesses are?

Those are just the few I came up with while thinking about it......

Not that this is an advantage in combat, per se......
Making friends with the folks you play with and spending time with them online, sometimes not even in a drop and enjoying their personalities and company?

[Bishop Steiner]

ShadowVFX, on 20 November 2012 - 09:57 AM, said:

I cannot wait for this. I bet so many of these elitist a$$hats will get put in their place now that they aren't steamrolling random dudes with their 8 man pre-mades. I'm looking forward to all the tears.

Funny, you see, what I can't wait to see is which new boogey man the PUGnation comes up with to explain getting rolled now. Pugs with no plan have gotten themselves steamrolled far more often than they have had ant Premade help in doing so.

And most of us who run premades regularly LOOK FORWARD TO THIS. Because 1,) it provides a challenge, 2) It will allow us to again use more complex strategy and maneuvers, and 3) we don't have to worry about if the other 4 people dropping with us know their azz from a hole in the ground.

Some premies are gonna get stomped. Lots of Pugglies are still gonna get stomped. And the constant QQing and excuse making will continue unabated.

[Gunny McDuck]

As I said in another thread, as soon as they put the pre-made vs. pre-made matchmaker into production, most of the Merc Corps/Guilds/Clans/Groups will be much happier, as most of us are looking for the biggest, baddest, and most challenging matches we can find.

There is always a little room for some ROFLstomping, but I'm going to suggest that most of the folks that have grouped up came here for hardcore organized battles, and as soon as we get that, we're going to be a lot happier.

We may not win quite as much, but the quality of the battles should increase dramatically.

I, for one, really look forward to 8v8 pre-mades only.

[Budor]

No phase 2. 4man premades getting rolled by trial mechs for another ~2weeks. Forum tears. 4mans blaming it on the other 4 afk/trial/disconnecters on their team.

[Hexcaliber]

Gunny McDuck, on 20 November 2012 - 12:49 PM, said:

Practicing with the same team all the time?
Developing tactics and training so virtually everyone you play with responds predictably while in combat?
Discipline under fire and knowing the orders of the drop commander will be followed?
Playing with the same people so you know where their strengths and weaknesses are?

Those are just the few I came up with while thinking about it......

Not that this is an advantage in combat, per se......
Making friends with the folks you play with and spending time with them online, sometimes not even in a drop and enjoying their personalities and company?

Most pugs given voice comms will automatically work better, language differences not with standing, being able to coordinate focus fire alone, will make a huge difference.

In other games I regularly have my clan running premades without voice comms as a learning tool, and I rotate the guy running the round. Most premades require one thing and one thing only, that members shut up, and do what they are told. This doesn't help players learn a damn thing other than obedience, and removes the need for members to think for them selves and grow.

Edited by Hexcaliber, 20 November 2012 - 12:59 PM.

[Wired]

Question:

If Pugs are more skilled than Premades, why do we need a phase 1 and phase 2?

[Wildcat]

Gunny McDuck, on 20 November 2012 - 12:49 PM, said:

Practicing with the same team all the time?
Developing tactics and training so virtually everyone you play with responds predictably while in combat?
Discipline under fire and knowing the orders of the drop commander will be followed?
Playing with the same people so you know where their strengths and weaknesses are?

Those are just the few I came up with while thinking about it......

Not that this is an advantage in combat, per se......
Making friends with the folks you play with and spending time with them online, sometimes not even in a drop and enjoying their personalities and company?

Coordination is all you need to wipe out PUGs.... you do not need advanced Tactics, you do not need to predict your Teammates movements...

that being Said, I have seen PUGs wipe the floor with advanced Premade Teams without saying a word.... we all knew what to do, we knew our Job and how to handle the Premade Team.... so once in a while full PUG Teams do work together without any need for Comms, and can do better than some premade Teams...

[Gunny McDuck]

Hexcaliber, on 20 November 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

Most pugs given voice comms will automatically work better, language differences not with standing.

In a teamwork based game, yes, no argument there.

Hexcaliber, on 20 November 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

In other games I regularly have my clan running premades without voice comms.

Interesting. Why?

Hexcaliber, on 20 November 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

Most premades require one thing and one thing only, that members shut up, and do what they are told. This doesn't help players learn a damn thing, other than obedience, and removes the need for members to think for them selves and grow.

Wow, that is quite the interesting observation.
I'm sorry you feel that way.

That isn't how we train, that isn't how we fight, and that certainly doesn't apply to us.

I can tell you that when/if the original drop commander gets killed, we instantly hand off to another still living pilot so he can continue to manage the battle.

[Agent of Change]

Wired, on 20 November 2012 - 12:58 PM, said:

Question:

If Pugs are more skilled than Premades, why do we need a phase 1 and phase 2?

BAM! also QFT!

[New Breed]

Oh my god, Solaris needs to come out .. now.. especially 1 on 1