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[MrPenguin]

LoveCake, on 02 December 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

PEGI ..... cheapskates.... shame

Cheapskates? I think you incredibly undervalue exactly how much it costs to buy, set-up and run one lol

[LoveCake]

Secundus, on 02 December 2012 - 06:55 PM, said:

I don't think PGI has enough funding to afford any more servers around the world, and the player base I'm guessing is small enough that it would split the community up even more.

Lol are you serious? Servers cost peanuts nowadays. Split community ye true 80 % of community have ping over 120ms...they even cant play normally as for now.

[MrPenguin]

LoveCake, on 02 December 2012 - 06:58 PM, said:

Lol are you serious? Servers cost peanuts nowadays. Split community ye true 80 % of community have ping over 120ms...they even cant play normally as for now.

Peanuts? They cost a fortune just to buy, and another fortune to keep them running. What you're thinking of is renting small server fragments for like 15-20$ a month. This is not the same, not by a damn long shot buddy.

[LoveCake]

MrPenguin, on 02 December 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

Cheapskates? I think you incredibly undervalue exactly how much it costs to buy, set-up and run one lol

Im running 12 servers in US and 18 in the Netherlands and our company is small...servers do not cost much and price for bandwidth decreased over past 6m at least for 30 %.....so no I know how much its costs....maybe u should check as well

MrPenguin, on 02 December 2012 - 07:00 PM, said:

Peanuts? They cost a fortune just to buy, and another fortune to keep them running. What you're thinking of is renting small server fragments for like 15-20$ a month. This is not the same, not by a damn long shot buddy.

Fortune ? OMG kid

Founders pack price is how much? server cost how much? check numbers ...think!

[MrPenguin]

LoveCake, on 02 December 2012 - 07:01 PM, said:

Im running 12 servers in US and 18 in the Netherlands and our company is small...servers do not cost much and price for bandwidth decreased over past 6m at least for 30 %.....so no I know how much its costs....maybe u should check as well


Fortune ? OMG kid

Yeah, you are aware small business servers cost less then what a online game utilizes right?
Also, I'm 21. I'm pretty old for a kid don't you think?

LoveCake, on 02 December 2012 - 07:02 PM, said:

Founders pack price is how much? server cost how much? check numbers ...think!

You should probably start thinking first, they're already out of that money. (more then likely)

Edited by MrPenguin, 02 December 2012 - 07:07 PM.

[LoveCake]

Small business servers...what are you on about? Stop mumbleing around get a quote!
If they ran out of money .... bad management..... and are they is a question...I dont have any info as to how much they got and spended...do you?

[Secundus]

LoveCake, on 02 December 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

Small business servers...what are you on about? Stop mumbleing around get a quote!
If they ran out of money .... bad management..... and are they is a question...I dont have any info as to how much they got and spended...do you?

IGP bragged about making $5 million from founders. From a business standpoint the only reason I can think for the publisher to be announcing that is to encourage investment or placate current investors. Unless they're publicly traded, companies don't just go around talking about earnings unless there's a motive behind it.

With a team of 55 people, that wouldn't even cover burden costs of their employees for one year, let along overhead, licensing fees, marketing, etc.

Edited by Secundus, 02 December 2012 - 07:16 PM.

[MrPenguin]

LoveCake, on 02 December 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

Small business servers...what are you on about? Stop mumbleing around get a quote!
If they ran out of money .... bad management..... and are they is a question...I dont have any info as to how much they got and spended...do you?

Bad man- what?
I don't know what kind of business you work for. But you seem to misunderstand something (or, lack the understanding of something)

IGP, there publisher. They essentially got a loan off them. Funding isn't free money you know. Also, you gotta put money into the programmers and designers. And those aren't minimum wage jobs. And they work long hours a day usually. Then theirs marketing costs, server costs ect... That money will go down in a blink of an eye in game development. Its actually been an issue, games development cost has only started going down recently. This is a multi-million dollar business and it eats million of dollars to stand up right. Indie devs essentially function by either skipping costs of some things or using cheaper resources. Not everyone is as talented as to make a big selling title on there own though. Most people, average people, require a team to accomplish something decent or good.

So when you factor in that they're already on a low budget, with... what was it, 60 employees? Servers, IGP... this thing literally devours money. Its more then likely why they opened the cash shop so soon.

Secundus, on 02 December 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:

IGP bragged about making $5 million from founders. From a business standpoint the only reason I can think for the publisher to be announcing that is to encourage investment or placate current investors. Unless they're publicly traded, companies don't just go around talking about earnings unless there's a motive behind it.

With a team of 55 people, that wouldn't even cover burden costs of their employees for one year, let along overhead, licensing fees, marketing, etc.

^Essentially what this gentlemen said.

Edited by MrPenguin, 02 December 2012 - 07:19 PM.

[LoveCake]

Team of 55 do not work for these game alone ....it is obvious and 5 m is a good starting capital to be honest ...Call of Duty: Black Ops development cost was 18-26m.
and 5 m is just founders money so ..... cheapskates

[Prophet of Entropy]

so let me sum up the last 4 pages.

WHAAAAA!!!!! MY PING!!!!!

SHUT UP ABOUT YOUR PING!

PGI HAS LOTS OF MONEY!

NO IT DOESNT!

NUH UHN!

[Secundus]

LoveCake, on 02 December 2012 - 07:20 PM, said:

Team of 55 do not work for these game alone ....it is obvious and 5 m is a good starting capital to be honest ...Call of Duty: Black Ops development cost was 18-26m.
and 5 m is just founders money so ..... cheapskates

I think the COD games range more in the hundreds of millions when you account for marketing and distribution. Of course they make that money back in spades.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Servers? Cheap? Can I have some of that crack?

My dad's company, a cellular company just dropped almost $2mil on IBM servers. And the company is one of the top in the world for server efficiency due to virtualization. A small local bank I worked at had $3mil in servers, and it only had ~245,000 customers.

Paraphrased: Servers ain't cheap. Not the quality ones needed for gaming.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, he only bought 10 servers. Thats close to $200,000 a server.

Edited by JohanssenJr, 02 December 2012 - 07:41 PM.

[LoveCake]

JohanssenJr, on 02 December 2012 - 07:38 PM, said:

Servers? Cheap? Can I have some of that crack?

My dad's company, a cellular company just dropped almost $2mil on IBM servers. And the company is one of the top in the world for server efficiency due to virtualization. A small local bank I worked at had $3mil in servers, and it only had ~245,000 customers.

Paraphrased: Servers ain't cheap. Not the quality ones needed for gaming.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, he only bought 10 servers. Thats close to $200,000 a server.

Servers for banking ....Im sure its expensive ... they are all duplicated at least once first second ....amount of protocols even for simple operation is huge .... cellular company same thing but in different way.... We are playing game here lol Amount of data transfer as well as the many other factors are not the same to say least!

[LethalMezzle]

There are no servers outside NA yet.

As for their ETA, I heard 'don't know, Q1 2013 hopefully'. Fingers crossed?

Edited by LethalMezzle, 02 December 2012 - 08:11 PM.

[MrPenguin]

JohanssenJr, on 02 December 2012 - 07:38 PM, said:

EDIT: I forgot to mention, he only bought 10 servers. Thats close to $200,000 a server.

That sounds about right, but you're also leaving out the constant maintenance fees. These things need to be running constantly so extra care is put into them to make sure they stay running.

[LoveCake]

Its like running Bugatti Veyron or just Toyota prius .... Tiers of veyron are same price as 3x Prius.... But fair enough they are both cars.

[LoveCake]

One thing I will highly recommend to you MrPenguin dont watch TV so much read newspapers sometimes and get in touch with real world....you will surprised!

[MrPenguin]

JohanssenJr, on 02 December 2012 - 07:38 PM, said:

Servers? Cheap? Can I have some of that crack?

I would like some as well.

[LoveCake]

MrPenguin, on 02 December 2012 - 08:21 PM, said:

I would like some as well.

And what you will do with them .... sell for scrap? lol

[LoveCake]

Sorry for getting personal just kinda mixed feeling once Im talking to someone who dont understand much as to how things works....but even in 2012 many people cant use electricity for various reasons so I guess its normal. You are good customer for any kind of business.