16 replies to this topic

[Franchi]

So I have died twice in the last 4 games, both times my RT of LT gets blown out and my CT explodes, all of my ammo is in the arms and i have a standard engine. Is this supposed to happen?

Edited by Franchi, 24 November 2012 - 11:01 AM.

[Firestorm43]

Clarify this for us readers: your RT/LT were destroyed? Or was it your arms? You're talking about your ammo in your arms exploding, but, if it was your torso sections that were destroyed, I don't think that would set off the ammo in your arms. Not unless you just had freak luck and your ammo cooked off at the same time you lost your torso sections.

Got CASE on that ammo in your arms? If you went without CASE on that ammo, and it blew up, then I do believe that would destroy your entire 'Mech.

[roastpuff]

Yes, ammo explosions can travel - that is why CASE is a good idea if you are storing your ammo in the torso's... prevents that from happening.

[stjobe]

Damage transfer rules. Arms to side torsos to center torso. Legs to center torso.

Hitting a destroyed location (e.g. your destroyed RT) transfers the damage inwards (in the case of your RT, the damage is applied to the CT).

[Franchi]

You cannot put case in the arms, where the ammo is, the right or left torso gets blown of and then my center torso instantly explodes.

[Firestorm43]

Ah, right. CASE can only go onto the torso sections on IS 'Mechs. I don't put ammo in the arms often enough to remember that.

Well, the others answered this for you already. No CASE during ammo explosions typically means your screwed.

[xDark]

You don't have an XL engine, do you? If so then losing your right or left torso will kill you instantly whether your ammo explodes or not.

[Tuhalu]

stjobe, on 24 November 2012 - 11:06 AM, said:

Damage transfer rules. Arms to side torsos to center torso. Legs to center torso.

Hitting a destroyed location (e.g. your destroyed RT) transfers the damage inwards (in the case of your RT, the damage is applied to the CT).

Actually, legs transfer to the side torsos as well, but otherwise quite correct!

[Franchi]

xDark, on 24 November 2012 - 11:25 AM, said:

You don't have an XL engine, do you? If so then losing your right or left torso will kill you instantly whether your ammo explodes or not.

As I stated a standard engine.

Really tweaked me when my arm had full armor last time it happened.

Edited by Franchi, 24 November 2012 - 12:41 PM.

[Kobura]

stjobe, on 24 November 2012 - 11:06 AM, said:

Damage transfer rules. Arms to side torsos to center torso. Legs to center torso.

Hitting a destroyed location (e.g. your destroyed RT) transfers the damage inwards (in the case of your RT, the damage is applied to the CT).

This is incorrect, other than torsos (I think) but definitely definitely to my slight frustration including legs, actual weapon strikes do not transfer damage.

Many a time have I lined up a tasty alpha on what I think is the last leg of a slow/stationary/shut down mech and alas all damage is for naught.

[Kreisel]

Franchi, on 24 November 2012 - 10:58 AM, said:

So I have died twice in the last 4 games, both times my RT of LT gets blown out and my CT explodes, all of my ammo is in the arms and i have a standard engine. Is this supposed to happen?

What Weapon are you using in those side torsos? Might you be a Guasscat? In which case it's the WEAPON exploding. Guass Ammo does not explode, but the weapon does.

Edited by Kreisel, 24 November 2012 - 12:48 PM.

[Franchi]

Kreisel, on 24 November 2012 - 12:47 PM, said:

What Weapon are you using in those that torso? Might you be a Guasscat? In which case it's the WEAPON exploding. Guass Ammo does not explode, but the weapon does.

Nah its a streak cat no weapons in any torso.

[Kreisel]

Franchi, on 24 November 2012 - 12:48 PM, said:

Nah its a streak cat no weapons in any torso.

So what do you have in the side Torso, Anything? Your fully repairing between matches? What kind of shape is your CT in when your side torso goes?

[Vallyn]

I wonder if this has something to do with the fact that the Arms are destroyed when the RT or LT is removed - that could if the coding was wonky trigger an ammo explosion that goes through to the CT since there are not LR/RT to damage.

[Franchi]

Kreisel, on 24 November 2012 - 12:57 PM, said:

So what do you have in the side Torso, Anything? Your fully repairing between matches? What kind of shape is your CT in when your side torso goes?

AMS in one side BAP in the other, that's it. Yeah fully repairing and rearming every match.

Vallyn, on 24 November 2012 - 01:09 PM, said:

I wonder if this has something to do with the fact that the Arms are destroyed when the RT or LT is removed - that could if the coding was wonky trigger an ammo explosion that goes through to the CT since there are not LR/RT to damage.

That is all I can figure, since I can't put case there I just relocated the ammo to RT/LT and put a case on it.

[Tuhalu]

Kobura, on 24 November 2012 - 12:45 PM, said:

Many a time have I lined up a tasty alpha on what I think is the last leg of a slow/stationary/shut down mech and alas all damage is for naught.

Legs and side torsos have a special rule because they can't be blown off. If you shoot a leg that is already "destroyed" it will transfer 50% of the damage to the side torso on that side (armor before internals!). Once the side torso is destroyed, 50% of any further damage goes to the center torso (again, armor before internals). These rules are in place to prevent the location from becoming an invulnerable shield against damage without making it too easy to kill a mech.

Arms just fall off when destroyed, so they can't take extra shots after they are destroyed.

Theoretically, you can core a mech by shooting it's destroyed leg, but the damage would only transfer through a destroyed side torso to the center torso at 25% rate, so it is way easier to just shoot the damn torso

[Ogresan]

CASE in your side torsos will protect your centre torso if ammo in your arms/legs explodes.

CASE is an upgrade for the section it is in, not for the ammo itself. It directs explosions out vents instead of allowing it to continue inwards. That section will probably be destroyed but the damage will not transfer out of that section.