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[Cifu]

William Petersen, on 06 May 2012 - 09:56 PM, said:

It wasn't really the Clans themselves, it was the huge leap in Tech from level 1 to 2 that ruined the game (of which Clans were obviously a part, but the distinction is a fine one to make). It was like power creep on Venom.

Noted for the truth.

But lots and lots of people are fond to the Clans, and i'm actually very worried about the future of the MWO. LB-X's, UAC's, ER Lasers, Pulse Lasers...
At least we propably never get that really ugly RAC, Plasma Canon, MGA, ATM's, etc. abominations... Those are simply erode all what great in the BT...

[William Petersen]

Cifu, on 06 May 2012 - 10:20 PM, said:

Noted for the truth.

But lots and lots of people are fond to the Clans, and i'm actually very worried about the future of the MWO. LB-X's, UAC's, ER Lasers, Pulse Lasers...
At least we propably never get that really ugly RAC, Plasma Canon, MGA, ATM's, etc. abominations... Those are simply erode all what great in the BT...

I like the clans for their story (swear-to-god it's true, I didn't even *know* they had a tech advantage for a long time! [hard to believe, I know, but it's true!]).

I will enjoy seeing them included, and while I know it deviates from TT and Canon, I'd love to see Tech 2 nerfed into the ground so it's not so wildly dominant. On the other hand, doing that will probably gum up the invasion. =-/



Note: I know Tech 1 and 2 aren't the technical names for it any more. I don't really care. That's what I've called it for years and I'm going to keep calling it that. Folks know what I mean, that's what matters. =P

[Cifu]

William Petersen, on 06 May 2012 - 11:06 PM, said:

I like the clans for their story (swear-to-god it's true, I didn't even *know* they had a tech advantage for a long time! [hard to believe, I know, but it's true!]).

I will enjoy seeing them included, and while I know it deviates from TT and Canon, I'd love to see Tech 2 nerfed into the ground so it's not so wildly dominant. On the other hand, doing that will probably gum up the invasion. =-/

I'm a big fan of the Clan lore too... but in a PvP game balancing the Clans and IS somehow... unthinkable. You can't believe the Clan players are follow the rules of the Clan honor codex. So in the plain reality: the Clans have far more advanced technology, than the IS, so if you play an IS mechwarrior, you f*cked up...

[Togg Bott]

Cifu, on 06 May 2012 - 11:19 PM, said:

I'm a big fan of the Clan lore too... but in a PvP game balancing the Clans and IS somehow... unthinkable. You can't believe the Clan players are follow the rules of the Clan honor codex. So in the plain reality: the Clans have far more advanced technology, than the IS, so if you play an IS mechwarrior, you f*cked up...

And that right there is why i will always play the IS. while the Clan Tech is definatly better, (longer range, harder hitting, ect ect), it untimatly comes down to player skill and unit cooperation. a properly skilled and coordinated IS unit will mostly win against mediocere and poorly skilled clan units. against a well done clan unit, mmmm thats gonna stray into the area of being sneakier than the clanners.

the ego boost from destroying a clan unit with IS units will be huge

[UncleKulikov]

That's why I'm going House Marik.

[William Petersen]

UncleKulikov, on 07 May 2012 - 12:36 AM, said:

That's why I'm going House Marik.

::Sniff sniff::

You sure it's not for nukes? You kinda smell like a WoBbie.

(I kid, I kid. ^_~)

[Fearful]

William Petersen, on 06 May 2012 - 09:56 PM, said:

It wasn't really the Clans themselves, it was the huge leap in Tech from level 1 to 2 that ruined the game (of which Clans were obviously a part, but the distinction is a fine one to make). It was like power creep on Venom.

I agree about the tech. It goes deeper for me though. It was like the Transformers suddenly introducing crap like the Sharkticon. I mean really... WTH was going on in the board room to come up with this stuff? Don't get me wrong, I love the Battletech universe (heck, still have all the original books and stuff) but some how it always felt like the Clans introduction to things was FAFSA jumping the shark.

[Fearful]

Cifu, on 06 May 2012 - 11:19 PM, said:

I'm a big fan of the Clan lore too... but in a PvP game balancing the Clans and IS somehow... unthinkable. You can't believe the Clan players are follow the rules of the Clan honor codex. So in the plain reality: the Clans have far more advanced technology, than the IS, so if you play an IS mechwarrior, you f*cked up...

I'd love to see the Clan honor idea forced in the game because that is/was what semi-balanced the two sides. But, since there isn't a way to do that... Yeah, Clan tech will win the vast majority of the time.

[Adridos]

Fearful, on 07 May 2012 - 09:41 PM, said:

I'd love to see the Clan honor idea forced in the game because that is/was what semi-balanced the two sides. But, since there isn't a way to do that...

You're kidding, right?

Simply make the game recognize if 2 Clanners shoot at one enemy and take the points away from them. No points, no good mechs.

[Deathz Jester]

Dawn Treader, on 05 May 2012 - 09:26 PM, said:

We are sticking to actual battletech stuff, not random sh!t. You just don't understand. Its a part of us

[Cifu]

Adridos, on 07 May 2012 - 11:02 PM, said:

Simply make the game recognize if 2 Clanners shoot at one enemy and take the points away from them. No points, no good mechs.

Well, if you know the lore, some Clans even won't follow the honor system against the IS units, because of their "barbaric" way of fighting.
But if they follow, the problem is still exits: if one clanner is fight honorably against an IS mech, and a clanner "join" the fight, then what happen? Both clanner got the penalty, even is the first clanner won't wan't any kind of help? It's not that simply as you describe...

[William Petersen]

Cifu, on 08 May 2012 - 12:00 AM, said:

Well, if you know the lore, some Clans even won't follow the honor system against the IS units, because of their "barbaric" way of fighting.
But if they follow, the problem is still exits: if one clanner is fight honorably against an IS mech, and a clanner "join" the fight, then what happen? Both clanner got the penalty, even is the first clanner won't wan't any kind of help? It's not that simply as you describe...

They only really gained that perspective after fighting them a while and realizing "Hey, these guys don't fight fair." Of course, their interpretation of fair was based on their highly ritualized combat, not...y'know. War.

But yeah, you point out a good flaw with that proposal. Griefers gonna grief, man.

[THELONGSHANKS]

Adridos, on 07 May 2012 - 11:02 PM, said:

You're kidding, right?

Simply make the game recognize if 2 Clanners shoot at one enemy and take the points away from them. No points, no good mechs.

I was thinking of only allowing one clanner to target an IS mech at a time. Or reducing the rate at which they could switch targeting. I am sure players would come up with a way to circumvent this, but something along these lines might force the honor code on Clan players. The other thing is that a clan star is 5 mechs and an IS Lance is 4. If the mech count wasn't equal, say 2 stars to 3 lances, along with targeting restrictions for clans, it could work. With fine tuning of course.

[Tincan Nightmare]

I honestly didn't have a problem with the Clans, but I wish this game was set during 3025. Then we could fight the Fourth Sucession War and the War of 3039!!

[Adridos]

Tincan Nightmare, on 08 May 2012 - 01:17 AM, said:

Then we could fight the Fourth Sucession War

I'd like that too. You know, without the lore-shield from biased writer (Say hi Mr. Stackpole!), you wouldn't get half our nation.

[THELONGSHANKS]

Tincan Nightmare, on 08 May 2012 - 01:17 AM, said:

I honestly didn't have a problem with the Clans, but I wish this game was set during 3025. Then we could fight the Fourth Sucession War and the War of 3039!!

Adridos, on 08 May 2012 - 01:21 AM, said:

Me too.

I'd like that too. You know, without the lore-shield from biased writer (Say hi Mr. Stackpole!), you wouldn't get half our nation.

You got what you deserve. Three Cheers for Hanse Davion! Three Cheers for Justin Allard!

[Jetset Quasar]

Aelos03, on 05 May 2012 - 09:30 PM, said:

well i guess you have mech parked in your garage

Yes i have a Timberwolf in my garage its a energy guzzler though

And in all actuallity we stick to the clan codex. We do our trial of entry, our trial of position and we also do trial of possessions aswell

[Steinar Bergstol]

Dawn Treader, on 05 May 2012 - 09:14 PM, said:

Well here's the thing we've been running clan coyote for nearly a decade now i think we deserve the right to run it, when it comes into being, We kept it alive.

No, you do not deserve that right any more than anyone else who've been running the same clan/unit/whatever for X amount of years in _their_ games, be it online, tabletop or whatever. You have no greater right to lay sole claim the name than any of them, and that goes for any Inner Sphere Merc or House unit as well. And this is why control of the canon units should not be laid in the hands of one particular individual or group of players. Make your own unit from scratch if you want to be in charge, but don't lay claim to a canon part of the lore which may have a whole lot of other fans every bit as invested in it as you are.

[Hawks]

Cifu, on 08 May 2012 - 12:00 AM, said:

But if they follow, the problem is still exits: if one clanner is fight honorably against an IS mech, and a clanner "join" the fight, then what happen? Both clanner got the penalty, even is the first clanner won't wan't any kind of help? It's not that simply as you describe...

In that case, the aggrieved party could simply call for a Trial of Grievance against the offender. If he wins, BIG XP bonus.

How's that for an idea?

[Tincan Nightmare]

Adridos, on 08 May 2012 - 01:21 AM, said:

I'd like that too. You know, without the lore-shield from biased writer (Say hi Mr. Stackpole!), you wouldn't get half our nation.

Hey you got it back later, it was more like a loan or rental .