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[EternalCore]

Tesunie, on 02 December 2012 - 05:27 PM, said:

Figured it couldn't hurt to try, seen as I have no idea what you mean by those terms. Not to mention, my computer doesn't tell me which format it is...

So basically, my computer is probably too old and out dated to play this game. Any idea what's causing the "unsuported video card" message? Or is that because my video card is also too far out of date? (You seem to be a man in the know about this kind of stuff.)

Your Whole Computer is too old, Meaning you need to update(Buy a whole new one) it to play this game...

Edited by EternalCore, 02 December 2012 - 05:52 PM.

[PiWright42]

EternalCore, on 02 December 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

Your Whole Computer is too old, Meaning you need to update(Buy a whole new one) it to play this game...

You say this a lot. Mayhaps you should just edit the OP to simply say, "If your computer has a frontside bus you need to buy a brand new one that is current with a motherboard that has a hyper-trasnport(AMD)/hyperthreading(Intel) if you want to play this game."? Really that is what you have said to most everyone who has posted their specs.

I think Piranha should put that in their minimum system requirements as well. Then again that would scare some players on a limited budget off.

Talk about limited budget...

Heck this PC re-build for MWO has set back the installation of the stage 2 jet kit for my ZRX 1200R, (which it needs as the guy I bought it from winterized it wrong and the carb needles are stuck giving terrible fuel mileage as well as horrid high RPM power and it has to be a specific stage 2, [Ivan's] as he modded the airbox for that jet kit without using that jet kit), and delayed the tank clean and new carburetor I need to get my 1956 Ford F100 running. Not to mention that with the Effie down the ZRX has to be the prime mode of backup transport this winter and this PC build is cutting into prepping for my first Texas winter as a possible motorcycle rider. LOL

Arizona is so much warmer than Texas in the dead of winter. Oh well I am almost ready, I'll just have to use an over sized skull bucket a little longer. I can get by without those snowmobile pants, I think. *remembers riding a FZR600 in 32 degree nights in Arizona and shudders*

I really hope the Devs optimize the netcode to run on a broader range of PCs soon. I want this game to do very well and be open to as many players as possible.

Edited by PiWright42, 02 December 2012 - 06:38 PM.

[Chrosis]

No improvement with this fix. Specs are below. If your reply is that I should upgrade, send me the $$$ and I'll get right on that, otherwise save your breath.
I'm not convinced this is a problem with systems being "too old". My "old" system runs far more graphic intensive games then MWO at much higher levels of detail.


AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 6000+ 3.0 GHz
4 GB RAM
NVidia GeForce 9500 GT 1GB

[EternalCore]

Chrosis, on 02 December 2012 - 08:48 PM, said:

No improvement with this fix. Specs are below. If your reply is that I should upgrade, send me the $$$ and I'll get right on that, otherwise save your breath.
I'm not convinced this is a problem with systems being "too old". My "old" system runs far more graphic intensive games then MWO at much higher levels of detail.


AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 6000+ 3.0 GHz
4 GB RAM
NVidia GeForce 9500 GT 1GB

Your System is quite old and will not run this game very well at all, Time to upgrade!

Edited by EternalCore, 02 December 2012 - 10:43 PM.

[Dr Icchan]

Assassin, on 26 November 2012 - 05:34 AM, said:

What about settings like v-sync? Do they improve or hinder performance?

Neither. V-sync caps your refresh rate to max. 60 fps. If your would be able to push more than 60 fps, it'll use less power as a result if V-sync is enabled. Less power, less heat, prolonged life. Triple win.

[Denimdemon]

Jonny Amalgamated, on 02 December 2012 - 01:47 PM, said:

Gave it a try and still no good...

I was getting pretty good FPS until two patches ago, but then it all went down the drain.

I am currently running the following:

AMD Athlon II X2 215 Processor 2.70 GHZ
4 GB
Nvidia EVGA GTX560 1GB

Yes, I know with the 4 GB of memory I am going to have **** poor FPS, but as I said, I was getting pretty decent FPS before two patches ago (decent being 15-25 FPS while playing, as opposed to now where I am getting 3 to 9 FPS while playing).

EternalCore, on 02 December 2012 - 01:52 PM, said:

Your computer is too old for this to work on it as it is still using a Front-Side-Bus instead of HyperTransport. Also your video card is the only thing worth salvaging as your current system is choking it....

Sorry eternal but i have to correct you, if he is running this CPU then his mobo will be using HT (HyperTransport), its a AM2+/AM3 socket CPU with a 16bit 2000Mhz HT Link. I was running the Athlon II x2 255 before upgrading to my Phenom IIx4 965 BE on the same mobo i am using now (m5a97 pro). SO if he knows his MOBO he can probably just up his CPU.

cheers,

[PiWright42]

Hey EternalCore, I just read up a little more on my mobo, the Asus M4A785-M that you said I need to replace because it has a frontside bus...

From Newegg

Quote

ASUS does it again with the M4A785-M AMD 785G motherboard!
Take advantage of the powerful multi-core AMD Phenom II and Athlon II processors with this board's AM3 socket. You'll also have access to the most powerful and fastest video processing around when you install a discrete ATI video card that will work in conjunction with the onboard GPU for a unique Hybrid CrossFireX configuration. You'll also appreciate the HyperTransport 3.0 technology, which radically improves overall system efficiency.

That last sentence is interesting, I'm gonna reinforce that by quoting the Asus site this time...

Quote

It features dual-channel DDR2 1066 memory support and accelerates data transfer rate up to 5200MT/s via HyperTransport™ 3.0 based system bus.

Guess I'll just update the Bios then swap out the CPU for the Phenom II when it gets here and call it a day. Get my priorities back to square and get that '56 F100 running, oh plus jet the ZRX, (Mmmm 130 ponies on a motorbike).

[Xenos2009]

I have not had any help with this however I did notice this, I use an Nvidia Gt 610 factory oc'ed to begin with. When I play a match and suddenly start to get really bad lag I have noticed that mech warrior changes my Negative LOD Bias in my Nvidia control panel to clamp. I experience this almost every game. I can not use clamp on this card as it makes for some really laggy situations especially when I engage other mechs. Try changing your Negative LOD Bias in your control panels to see if this helps from clamp to Allow.


To clarify my system is as follows:
Windows 7 Professional x64
DG41RQ motherboard with an intel core 2 duo 3.07 GHZ
6G DDR2 ram
Galaxy Geforce GT 610 factory OC'ed with Percision X OC utility

the only thing that is really lacking in my situation is the graphic card however I should be able to play this on low settings with out an issue....

Any advise other than upgrading my hardware would be greatly appreciated.

Edited by Xenos2009, 03 December 2012 - 10:22 AM.

[EternalCore]

Denimdemon, on 03 December 2012 - 12:41 AM, said:

Sorry eternal but i have to correct you, if he is running this CPU then his mobo will be using HT (HyperTransport), its a AM2+/AM3 socket CPU with a 16bit 2000Mhz HT Link. I was running the Athlon II x2 255 before upgrading to my Phenom IIx4 965 BE on the same mobo i am using now (m5a97 pro). SO if he knows his MOBO he can probably just up his CPU.

cheers,

Most AM2+ Motherboards do not use HyperTransport. But there are some rare ones like his because of the backwards compatibility.

PiWright42, on 03 December 2012 - 08:30 AM, said:

Hey EternalCore, I just read up a little more on my mobo, the Asus M4A785-M that you said I need to replace because it has a frontside bus...

Guess I'll just update the Bios then swap out the CPU for the Phenom II when it gets here and call it a day. Get my priorities back to square and get that '56 F100 running, oh plus jet the ZRX, (Mmmm 130 ponies on a motorbike).

You should of linked your Motherboard specs long ago when I asked for it, because we would of saved time in doing so.

Here's your Motherboard: http://www.asus.com/...#specifications

And Yes it does have HyperTransport but here's the real kicker: Your Motherboard is fully backwards compatible with All AM2 CPU's and all AM2 CPU's use a front-side-bus. That means when you are using a Backwards compatible CPU aka an AM2 chip, then HyperTransport is disabled automatically by the bios; and the board is using a Front-Side-Bus to operate the CPU.

Now That you know this, then yes, updating your Bios and Upgrading your RAM and CPU is the best option to getting the full performance out of your Motherboard.

The Phenom II x4 965 and DDR3 Memory Should work wonders on that board.

Edited by EternalCore, 03 December 2012 - 09:25 AM.

[xengk]

No change to my performance after applying this method.
Actually, that is not exactly true, fps for observation mode has improved from 20 fps to 25 fps.

CPU: AMD Athlon II x2 250 3Ghz
RAM: 14GB DDR3 1333
GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD6770 Vapor-X 1GB GDDD5
OS: Win 7 x64
M/B: Gigabyte MA770T-UD3P

Probably the CPU that dragging down performance, even with HyperTransport.

[fxrsniper]

Denimdemon, on 03 December 2012 - 12:41 AM, said:

Sorry eternal but i have to correct you , if he is running this CPU then his mobo will be using HT (HyperTransport), its a AM2+/AM3 socket CPU with a 16bit 2000Mhz HT Link. I was running the Athlon II x2 255 before upgrading to my Phenom IIx4 965 BE on the same mobo i am using now (m5a97 pro). SO if he knows his MOBO he can probably just up his CPU.

cheers,

Now Im going to correct you LOL Up to 5200 MT/s ; HyperTransport™ 3.0 interface for AM2+/AM3 CPU
2000 / 1600 MT/s for AM2 CPU His CPU is a AM2 so it does use Frontside bus not hypertranport

PiWright42, on 03 December 2012 - 08:30 AM, said:

Hey EternalCore, I just read up a little more on my mobo, the Asus M4A785-M that you said I need to replace because it has a frontside bus...

From Newegg




That last sentence is interesting, I'm gonna reinforce that by quoting the Asus site this time...



Guess I'll just update the Bios then swap out the CPU for the Phenom II when it gets here and call it a day. Get my priorities back to square and get that '56 F100 running, oh plus jet the ZRX, (Mmmm 130 ponies on a motorbike).

That is correct now when you get that Phenom 2 you will need to make sure BIOS is up to date before installing it then yes you will be on HyperTransport instead of Frontside bus it will make a difference but keep in mind that you are still on DDR2 depending what Mhz it is also if you are using DDR2 1066 right now due to the dual core its only running at 800Mhz after updating BIOS and switching to Phenom 2 Quad it will run at 1066 if you are using 1066 now. I found you a board if you need to upgrade its a great board with Asus Diagnose features on it with LED lights for Memory, CPU, Hard Drive, and GPU in case something is wrong they light up and blink a code and UEFI bios which is used by mouse instead of arrow keys Asus Board http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813131851 memory http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820231428 my choice http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820104173

Edited by fxrsniper, 03 December 2012 - 02:50 PM.

[fxrsniper]

xengk, on 03 December 2012 - 10:36 AM, said:

No change to my performance after applying this method.
Actually, that is not exactly true, fps for observation mode has improved from 20 fps to 25 fps.

CPU: AMD Athlon II x2 250 3Ghz
RAM: 14GB DDR3 1333
GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD6770 Vapor-X 1GB GDDD5
OS: Win 7 x64
M/B: Gigabyte MA770T-UD3P

Probably the CPU that dragging down performance, even with HyperTransport.

Dual core is bottle necking your system good specs on memory and card but CPU is a problem this far into beta

[xenoglyph]

Dr Icchan, on 02 December 2012 - 11:06 PM, said:

Neither. V-sync caps your refresh rate to max. 60 fps. If your would be able to push more than 60 fps, it'll use less power as a result if V-sync is enabled. Less power, less heat, prolonged life. Triple win.

That explanation kind of ignores the whole point of v-sync. The point of v-sync is to minimize or eliminate tearing by forcing your video card to wait until a frame is completely drawn before it shows the next one.

Edited by xenoglyph, 03 December 2012 - 01:06 PM.

[fxrsniper]

xenoglyph, on 03 December 2012 - 01:05 PM, said:

That explanation kind of ignores the whole point of v-sync. The point of v-sync is to minimize or eliminate tearing by forcing your video card to wait until a frame is completely drawn before it shows the next one.

I concur V-sync is there to Keep FPS from peaking to the point of tearing does not give a performance increasement V-sync uses more power because your card is working hard to keep 60 FPS at all times

[EternalCore]

@ALL: Here are the system requirements for the CryEngine3(which is what MWO is using): http://mwomercs.com/...re-requirments/

[st1x]

still as unplayable as ever.

running a phenom II X2 550 BE in a sabertooth 990, 16 Gigs of Corsair RAM and a GTX 280.

Yes it has enough power, No the hard drive (samsung 830 series) isnt limiting anything, yes the game ran perfectly in early beta and yes everything has steadily gone downhill since the implimentation of the new cryengine 3 patch.

Ah well....more time to play day z until this game is properly optimised for dual core chips.

[EternalCore]

st1x, on 03 December 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

still as unplayable as ever.

running a phenom II X2 550 BE in a sabertooth 990, 16 Gigs of Corsair RAM and a GTX 280.

Yes it has enough power, No the hard drive (samsung 830 series) isnt limiting anything, yes the game ran perfectly in early beta and yes everything has steadily gone downhill since the implimentation of the new cryengine 3 patch.

Ah well....more time to play day z until this game is properly optimised for dual core chips.

Your computer doesn't meet the system requirements for the CryEngine3(which is what MWO is using): http://mwomercs.com/...re-requirments/

Edited by EternalCore, 03 December 2012 - 03:57 PM.

[fxrsniper]

st1x, on 03 December 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

still as unplayable as ever.

running a phenom II X2 550 BE in a sabertooth 990, 16 Gigs of Corsair RAM and a GTX 280.

Yes it has enough power, No the hard drive (samsung 830 series) isnt limiting anything, yes the game ran perfectly in early beta and yes everything has steadily gone downhill since the implimentation of the new cryengine 3 patch.

Ah well....more time to play day z until this game is properly optimised for dual core chips.

CPU is bottle necking, your card is not to bad but with a Quad core it would be a lot better

[st1x]

lol is what i say to that.
so up until 3 or so patches ago, when my system was running exactly what it is now, it still wasn't meeting the system requirements?
From early beta up until 3 patches ago i have been having constant playable games with framerates in the high 30's (in furballs) to high 50's when sitting there with my proverbial mech-thumb up my exhaust pipe....i was constantly playing scout mechs that would get into and hold up multiple other targets usually in a 1v2 or 1v3 scenario, 99% of the time i was out weighted and out gunned and i would still walk away from an engagement......and all that on a system that doesn't meet the system requirements?

Someone has already admitted elsewhere on the forums that there is a huge problem with the scripting in the UI. Dual core users have been feeling the blunt end of the club for quite sometime and devs have admitted that the game is very CPU intensive at the moment.

I wasn't going to reply but then i wondered....why should i keep silent about receiving a reply from someone, who probably isnt even an employee of PGI, that doesnt even know my situation.

[fxrsniper]

st1x, on 03 December 2012 - 04:29 PM, said:

lol is what i say to that.
so up until 3 or so patches ago, when my system was running exactly what it is now, it still wasn't meeting the system requirements?
From early beta up until 3 patches ago i have been having constant playable games with framerates in the high 30's (in furballs) to high 50's when sitting there with my proverbial mech-thumb up my exhaust pipe....i was constantly playing scout mechs that would get into and hold up multiple other targets usually in a 1v2 or 1v3 scenario, 99% of the time i was out weighted and out gunned and i would still walk away from an engagement......and all that on a system that doesn't meet the system requirements?

Someone has already admitted elsewhere on the forums that there is a huge problem with the scripting in the UI. Dual core users have been feeling the blunt end of the club for quite sometime and devs have admitted that the game is very CPU intensive at the moment.

I wasn't going to reply but then i wondered....why should i keep silent about receiving a reply from someone, who probably isnt even an employee of PGI, that doesnt even know my situation.

Dont need to know your situation I know games/Engines and the're processes by Computers and what Bottle necking is 18 years EXp tells me I do. CryEngine 3.4 is not what is was 2 months ago more resources have been implemented in it's heavier resources therefore dual core cpu's will bottle neck as it it right now