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[ollo]

Let's face tha facts: it's the dev's decision for now. If they stick with this model, I and many others will stick with their money. And many won't realize what the model actually is and will come here to complain that they were robbed - so i don't see how this model will do anything good for their reputation or their wallet.

[Pinecones]

On the scale of complaining about a video came still in development. This subject is by far a 1st world problem..

[LordBills]

Elder Thorn, on 28 November 2012 - 03:59 AM, said:

and what does this have to do with the thread?

just try to show if really want a nice paint job on mechs. The camouflage in game so weak. If i want to spend real money for the paint i want a realy good quality design. Btw. camouflage design useful only if i can choose what map i want to play. It means if i use winter camouflage in forest map means useless. So if useles i want my mech design will be cool and i dont care the map is suitable with my mech design or not.. And i think unique faction design much better than use power point in game..

[Jyi]

Pinecones, on 28 November 2012 - 04:22 AM, said:

On the scale of complaining about a video came still in development. This subject is by far a 1st world problem..

Seriously? That joke of an argument has no validity here. Of course we know what we are talking about here, it's not on same level with world's problems to begin with. But in the context of this game it is a problem equal among others. It's our money, and we have the right to criticize things that we think are a waste of our money. We want to have more bang for our buck and they want to make money, so we (as customers) will let them hear our opinion. It helps both parties.

*game btw

[Logen Ninefingers]

I'm going to patch&play today, so I haven't tried to paint and pay for my mechs yet.
I posted this before and it is still my opinion...

Pay per spray vs. Unlocked paint job per mech...Let's assume 300mc per paint job.

Pay per spray: maybe 1 paint job for my favorite 3 mechs = 900mc
Unlocked paint job per mech: at least 3-4 paint jobs for my 3 favorite mechs = 3600mc

Your call PGI...

Wait for community warfare, poor souls who like to play in a merc company with friends a b c and in another with friends x y z, both companies with exclusive paint jobs for x mcs... Clever PGI, very clever... Don't misunderstand me it is ok to pay per design change, but it should be unlocked and swapable for the mech variant you bought it for. Changing one color of your design is a change of the design i.e. Mc.

[Dal Gurak]

I think this is a problem which is part of a bigger issue. As with the premium time, it's just too expensive.

Over the years there have been many f2p online games that have also offered a subscription option if you wanted it. This subscription would give you a monthly allowance of in game currency or other items; it provides the game creators with a steady stream of income and satisfies another market of gamers along with the f2player's and the ones happy to buy game currency.

As for the camo costs. I would rather pay mc once to allow a chosen mech to be able to be repainted, which then you can repaint that mech as many times as you want. Or if that just wouldn't fit the business model then have a limited number of resprays.

[Duncan Morales]

the prize is ok for an color when the color was once purchased and you can use it on all mechs....

i won´t purchase any color which is for only one use for 250 or 125 MC.... or either 300 k c-bills are way toooo much....

just my 2 c-bills

[LordBills]

I think Jyi has right. Btw if i pay by real money i want a valuable or useful thing to get for my money.
Develop a game for players or for money i know a hard choose. But for example : Yen Lo Wang was a good idea : barbie girl in the window or useless camouflage i think bad idea..

[ForceUser]

This amuses me.

People are complaining about the cost of a purely cosmetic item that has absolutely no effect on game play and that is 100% optional AND HAS IN GAME CURRENCY ALTERNATIVES. A skin in lol can go for as much as $14 apparently and people are complaining about a skin costing as little as half a dollar?

Wow people, Get some perspective all up in this place.

[Blackfang]

To be honest, when the cashflow starts shrinking PGI will consider changing it, remember his is Camo Spec Phase 1, it's as much a learning curve for them as it is for us. So when the money stops flowing because of it they'll either a] change the price b] change the mechanics of it (i.e. unlocks instead of "renting" so to speak) or c] both [a] and [b]

At the moment I'm quite happy to sink my MC into tinkering in the camo specs, I can change everything without having to save out anything until I'm happy with it then save it, but a cost reduction on the premium colours would be nice.

Edited by Blackfang, 28 November 2012 - 05:23 AM.

[Crimson Fenris]

ForceUser, on 28 November 2012 - 05:20 AM, said:

This amuses me.

People are complaining about the cost of a purely cosmetic item that has absolutely no effect on game play and that is 100% optional AND HAS IN GAME CURRENCY ALTERNATIVES. A skin in lol can go for as much as $14 apparently and people are complaining about a skin costing as little as half a dollar?

Wow people, Get some perspective all up in this place.

I get your point, but its not just because you think paying 14$ for a skin is OK than others in this game agreed with you.

At least, your 14$ skin is a permanently owned item, right ?

That the whole point that PGI need to think about.

Edited by Crimson Fenris, 28 November 2012 - 05:26 AM.

[Blark]

ForceUser, on 28 November 2012 - 05:20 AM, said:

This amuses me.

People are complaining about the cost of a purely cosmetic item that has absolutely no effect on game play and that is 100% optional AND HAS IN GAME CURRENCY ALTERNATIVES. A skin in lol can go for as much as $14 apparently and people are complaining about a skin costing as little as half a dollar?

Wow people, Get some perspective all up in this place.

It is called constructive feedback, perhaps you have heard of it.
It's the first implementation and pgi needs feedback to create a system which will bring them the most profit (a lot of sales at a lower price are always better then few sales at a higher price).

@Topic:

I concur, prices seem too high imo if you consider you don't get to keep the color.
I've bought one color with mc so far, but I'm also reluctant to spend any more mc on it in the current state.

Now if prices per color would be lower, or if we had an option to buy colors for permanent use with mc (even at a substantially higher price) I would surly spend some more money on it.

[SI The Joker]

Ok, so I thought about it... and honestly, I like what they did - mostly.

I agree that when you purchase a "camo spec" (Dazzle for instance) that you should own it, and can switch in and out of it with cbills... But what I think PGI can do (maybe? I don't work there) would be like this:

- You purchase dazzle camo for Jenner JR7D
- You own it for JR7D - but need to purchase it for other mechs you own, if you choose to.

That way the company can still make money. Let's face it here guys - it's a business and theyneed to make money.

The same logic (in my opinion) should apply to colors. You buy 3 colors once for your Jenner and can use them forever on that Jenner. Switching out colors / repainting costs cbills. You want those colors on another mech, say a Centurion? You have to use MC to purchase those colors for the Centurion.

It seems to make sense to me. Yes? No?

[ForceUser]

MC Prices are perfect or a bit to low in my opinion (not that I'm complaining about that mind). The cbill prices are ok, don't think they should go higher though, maybe as alternatives for some MC colors one day.

There you go, there's my feedback

Here's the thing, I think I own 8 chassis + 1 founders. I have experimented with the colors on most chassis and found one I really like on my K2 and I bought it, cost me all of $1.5 (I think considering how much I paid for my MC. Can't be more than $3) I still have 7 other shassis to paint and more as I buy more mechs. The other thing is I already named the mech as well, it's called Derpy because what the heck else am I gonna say when 2 AC20 shots hit you in the face? Derp!

Now the color scheme fits perfectly with the name. It's never ever gonna change. Maybe one day we will have the right colors available to make a corp color scheme that looks like we want it to. Even though a color scheme like that will never be required in any way (we are a bunch of chilled dudes) I might feel like running a K2 in a tournament one day with 'official' colors. When that day comes I'll buy another K2.

So whatever, I feel this is a lot of drama over the silliest thing ever, but you are allowed your opinion

[Elder Thorn]

Pinecones, on 28 November 2012 - 04:22 AM, said:

On the scale of complaining about a video came still in development. This subject is by far a 1st world problem..

oh sorry, i will go to the general chat forum and complain about starving people all over the world, the ******** education systen in my country and wars fought about imaginary friends at once

oh wait, education in my country would be first world, too.
Sorry

you know... this is not about state of the game, it's about charging money. This has nothign to do with the game still in development, or not. It's about an insulting business modell

AND btw. should we all just stop to post here? no feedback then, and as we have seen during the shitstorm cause of LRMs, we need shitstorms so they listen.

Edited by Elder Thorn, 28 November 2012 - 06:07 AM.

[Dominatrix420]

Hey, a painters got to eat! All that paint is not cheap ya know!

[SI The Joker]

ForceUser, on 28 November 2012 - 05:49 AM, said:

MC Prices are perfect or a bit to low in my opinion (not that I'm complaining about that mind). The cbill prices are ok, don't think they should go higher though, maybe as alternatives for some MC colors one day.

There you go, there's my feedback

So whatever, I feel this is a lot of drama over the silliest thing ever, but you are allowed your opinion

I agree on the MC thing totally. The prices are very fair.

I disagree on the "it'll never change" part. I'm the kind of person who will change his skin every couple of matches if I could. I'm probably in the minority there; I won't complain if it's not implemented - I'm just throwing ideas around that might be cool.

[ForceUser]

The biggest problem with changing something like this afterward is that a lot of people will feel shafted that used the previous system.

[Sprouticus]

My unit will probably go with standard uniforms (camo/paint spec). BEcause of this we will probably NOT go with an MC based camo spec until an official CSA spec comes out when the clans are released. So it doesn't matter to me either way!

That having been said, paying for a camo spec for a particular variant SHOULD be permanent. And it should not be more than 300MC. People will be buying camo for every variant they use a lot. That is a lot of cash.

[Rattlehead NZ]

To paint a mech all black will cost 750MC. Thats more than a commando and thats also not including the cost of a pattern if you added white to the scheme. if each colour was something like 50mc then i would of painted up a few mechs by now, but as it stands ill save my MC for better things.

Edited by Rattlehead NZ, 28 November 2012 - 06:45 AM.