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[CodeNameValtus]

Deedsie, on 27 November 2012 - 02:40 PM, said:

No, 7 tons for structure, 3 tons for cockpit stuffs, so 15 tons for armor, ammo, and engine.

And your minimum 10 heat sinks...

[TruePoindexter]

Ghogiel, on 27 November 2012 - 02:40 PM, said:

3x UAC5 FTW

Yup - should be nightmarish.

In CB you could run a mech w/o an engine and really have a statue.

[Rathe]

CodeNameValtus, on 27 November 2012 - 02:39 PM, said:

That was sarcasm...AC/20's run heavier and more crit hungry than Gauss Rifles....I thought that much was clear already...

more crit hungry, yes, but they are actually only 14 tons to a gauss rifle's 15. You do need to take into account the possibility of adding heat sinks, however, so maybe that's what you mean.

[Kobold]

The only thing this could do that current CTFs can't is 3 AC10s, and 3 smaller ballistics (AC2/5) combined with 3 lasers. This just follows their current model of "pay for unique option which isn't significantly better than what is available for free",

[UPnADAM]

I think two ac10s and a ac20, will be fun or 3 ac20s if possible.

[Rathe]

For those interested in the math, assume that this mech fits:

xl325 19 tons
2 gauss rifles 30 tons
4ml 4 tons
5 tons ammo

That's my 3d load out. Here's my theoretical cpt-IM build:

xl180 5.5 tons
3 gauss rifles 45 tons
7 tons ammo

Looks like it should fit and it will go atlas speed.

[TruePoindexter]

Rathe, on 27 November 2012 - 02:52 PM, said:

For those interested in the math, assume that this mech fits:

xl325 19 tons
2 gauss rifles 30 tons
4ml 4 tons
5 tons ammo

That's my 3d load out. Here's my theoretical cpt-IM build:

xl180 5.5 tons
3 gauss rifles 45 tons
7 tons ammo

Looks like it should fit and it will go atlas speed.

I hate the Atlas speed Cataphracts though. My own 4X I had to swap out the engine with my Jenner's 245 just to make it palatable. 48kph is barely acceptable for an Atlas, on a Cataphract it's just infuriating.

[Vulture2k]

they have to be kidding -.- this mech is pure imagination anyway.. so please make it a mix of 3D and 4X, 2 ballistics in one arm and 1 in torso.. else we will see all sorts of triple ac10, triple lbx and triple uac5 or even triple gauss machines -.-

sure it twists faster too and stuff -.- pfft..

[Kobold]

Rathe, on 27 November 2012 - 02:52 PM, said:

For those interested in the math, assume that this mech fits:

xl325 19 tons
2 gauss rifles 30 tons
4ml 4 tons
5 tons ammo

That's my 3d load out.

My 4X has 2 gauss, 2 ML, and 9 tons of ammo with a 200 XL. No idea how you make that thing work unless you shaved down your armor massively.

[themoob]

Multiple Gauss is only so scary because you can't shoot them off a K2 with their tiny side torsos.

How many double Gauss 4Xs do you see? I've seen ONE, out of dozens of 4Xs I've seen. And it got its arms shot off in seconds and did nothing for the rest of the game.

[TruePoindexter]

themoob, on 27 November 2012 - 03:19 PM, said:

Multiple Gauss is only so scary because you can't shoot them off a K2 with their tiny side torsos.

How many double Gauss 4Xs do you see? I've seen ONE, out of dozens of 4Xs I've seen. And it got its arms shot off in seconds and did nothing for the rest of the game.

I ran one briefly. It was only OK. I stuck to cover and so didn't have issues loosing the weapons but it just wasn't remarkable.

[ManDaisy]

Thankfully, 3 gausses can be reproduced by 2 err ppcs and 2 gausses and be much more reliable. Triple ac 10's are still around the same damage as just 2 gauss rifles per volley as well. It may be cutting it close but its not over the line.

[Captain Midnight]

A lot of Neville Chamberlain-esque apologists telling us about how it's not pay2win even though at this point it's prettttty obvious.

Tell me, what mech configuration would you say is irrefutably P2W? I think if this new hero mech isn't across the line, it certainly is the line.

Edited by Captain Midnight, 27 November 2012 - 03:31 PM.

[Rathe]

well, we'll see, cause I'm going to get it first thing on the 4th

[Sorho]

Total non issue.

[Doomie77]

If you want paper armor and 30kph, its going to rule, oh yeah...

[Rathe]

UPnADAM, on 27 November 2012 - 02:50 PM, said:

I think two ac10s and a ac20, will be fun or 3 ac20s if possible.

2ac10 1ac20 would be sweet, but it'd be hard to get that all to fit with the standard engine you'd have to have. 3ac-20 would not fit, unfortunately, since ac-20's rarely fit in arms.

[Kobold]

Captain Midnight, on 27 November 2012 - 03:30 PM, said:

A lot of Neville Chamberlain-esque apologists telling us about how it's not pay2win even though at this point it's prettttty obvious.

Tell me, what mech configuration would you say is irrefutably P2W? I think if this new hero mech isn't across the line, it certainly is the line.

1 ballistic, 5 energy, 1 missile
1 ballistic, 3 energy, 2 missile
2 ballistic, 4 energy
2 ballistic, 4 energy, 1 missile
3 ballistic, 3 energy

You're telling me that one of those options is significantly better than the others, such that if it were only available for real money, it would be "pay to win"? Which option is that?

[Monky]

3x UAC5+3x Med Laser + AMS is the more potent mix. 3 Gauss can't even keep up with that level of DPS.

[TruePoindexter]

Captain Midnight, on 27 November 2012 - 03:30 PM, said:

A lot of Neville Chamberlain-esque apologists...

Gonna stop you there. Neville Chamberlain was a proponent of Appeasement, he was not an Apologist. See:
http://en.wikipedia....iki/Appeasement
http://en.wikipedia....lle_Chamberlain

Resuming your comment...

Captain Midnight, on 27 November 2012 - 03:30 PM, said:

telling us about how it's not pay2win even though at this point it's prettttty obvious.

Tell me, what mech configuration would you say is irrefutably P2W? I think if this new hero mech isn't across the line, it certainly is the line.

How is it the line? The most defining characteristics of a mech variant in MWO are its hardpoints and its stock speed. So here is how it compares:

CTF-1X: 1x Ballistic, 5x Energy @ 64.8kph
CTF-2X: 1x Ballistic, 3x Energy, 2x Missile @ 64.8kph
CTF-3D: 2x Ballistic, 4x Energy, JJ @ 64.8kph
CTF-4X: 4x Ballistic, 2x Energy, 1x Missile @ 48.6kph
CTF-IM: 3x Ballistic, 3x Energy @ 64.8kph

So really it's a slightly more gun like 3D that doesn't have JJ. Yeah you can't get it by being a free player but it mounts the same damn equipment as all the rest.

Monky, on 27 November 2012 - 03:41 PM, said:

3x UAC5+3x Med Laser + AMS is the more potent mix. 3 Gauss can't even keep up with that level of DPS.

That's my plan for an initial build.