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#1 Thirdrail

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 02:47 PM

The camo system is pretty cool, even if I disagree with the fundamentals of the price model. (We've been over that in another thread.) But what happened with the founder's mechs?

The only thing I can repaint is the stripes, which is pretty lame, but, worse, you also repainted my mech to be uglier. It used to be worn blue with white trim. Now it's worn blue with icky brown trim.

Please tell me this is an unforeseen bug, and you're not actually going to charge people to fix a mech that was supposed to be a reward for helping you kickstart this game in the first place. And why are the people who have done the most to support you - buy founders packages and pay 3750mc for a Yen - the ones you dis when you introduce a feature like camo spec?

#2 Scarlett Avignon

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 03:00 PM

Founder mechs have different models than the standard variants. It's unlikely that they will devote the resources to redesigning each new paint scheme to work for them. You bought the founders as-is just like we all did. It's not punishment.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 03:05 PM

Hi!

I just wanted to repaint all three parts of my Founder Catapult and guess what, only one part can be recolored, the others two ones are kinda blocked. So if I want to have my (F)Catapult in my units colors, I have to buy a new one???

Please change this. If the reason for the limititation is the exclusiveness of the blue color of the Founder Cata, it shouldn't be. Because blue is too dark on most maps to be recognized, so I would love to switch to the white/gold of the Dieron Regulars.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 03:05 PM

View PostFranklen Avignon, on 27 November 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

Founder mechs have different models than the standard variants. It's unlikely that they will devote the resources to redesigning each new paint scheme to work for them. You bought the founders as-is just like we all did. It's not punishment.


They likely aren't THAT different and the paint already works as stated, you just only get one channel. It would be nice to at least alter the rest of the colors even if the pattern was locked.

#5 Scarlett Avignon

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 03:08 PM

View PostKaryudo ds, on 27 November 2012 - 03:05 PM, said:


They likely aren't THAT different and the paint already works as stated, you just only get one channel. It would be nice to at least alter the rest of the colors even if the pattern was locked.


The head of the Atlas and the nose of the Catapult are VERY different. The Founder mechs were always going to have the same paint scheme because it's a uniform way to identify Founders. Making the entire paint scheme alterable would kind of defeat that.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 03:15 PM

We bought the Founder's mechs as is. The uniform color scheme is so we can easily be identified on the field as a Founder. If they allowed us to repaint entirely, it would defeat the purpose.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 03:20 PM

Founder's mechs were given a uniform paint scheme to identify them as belonging to a Founder. It is so we stand out as having had enough faith in PGI to want to back this project before it began. PGI wants us to be seen and recognized.

Allowing Founder's mechs to be completely repainted defeats that purpose entirely. It's really not that hard to understand. If you want to repaint a mech, buy the regular version of that mech and repaint it. Otherwise, enjoy the paint scheme that no one else will ever get!

Edited by Franklen Avignon, 27 November 2012 - 03:21 PM.


#8 CL_Kodiak

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 03:22 PM

My feelings exactly :)

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 03:31 PM

If the Founder Mechs should be "as is", why are we even allowed to change one color? You see, it's already inconsequently handled. So why not change all three colors?

#10 Scarlett Avignon

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 03:35 PM

Changing a tertiary color is a nice thing they let us do. Why not be happy and understand the concept behind the uniform paint scheme?

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 03:38 PM

We should be able to change the colours of our damned founder 'mechs if we want to! This is nonsense.

Give us the choice. I like my founders 'mechs alright but I want to be able to customize them just as I could any other 'mech. I paid for them so I should be able to enjoy them to the fullest.

With all these new features the other mechs are getting, we are basically getting screwed.

Please devs, PLEASE let us be able to customize our founders 'mechs! We bloody well deserve to.

Don't make useless excuses for them please. The colour is of no consequence, the founders 'mechs are denoted by the F in their name anyway so even if you customized your 'mech people will still know it's a founders 'mech.

Why is it important anyway? Why should I care if other people know I have a founders 'mech? They aren't anything special, all they do is make more money and more exp but they aren't stronger, better or faster. I didn't buy the founders package to brag, I just wanted the mechs and the MC. I never really liked the colour scheme of the founders mechs and now the color customization is finally in I can't even use it!

This is the same cr@p they pulled with the PC gamer skin, you can't use them on the damned founders 'mechs either.

Edited by EnigmaNL, 27 November 2012 - 03:42 PM.


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Posted 27 November 2012 - 03:40 PM

I want to be in uniform, but with my unit. I'm the CO of the 36th Dieron Regulars and the C1 is my machine. Now I have to buy it again, just because this stupid Founder color limitation. Optional founder color? Fine with me, but everything else...

#13 Scarlett Avignon

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 03:41 PM

View PostEnigmaNL, on 27 November 2012 - 03:38 PM, said:

We should be able to change the colours of our damned founder 'mechs if we want to! This is nonsense.


1) Go buy the regular variant of that mech.

2) Paint away.

There are so many more pressing issues to attend to. Stop clogging the forums with nonsense posts about asinine things you wish were different because you don't understand how they were designed.

Edited by Franklen Avignon, 27 November 2012 - 03:41 PM.


#14 Ryvucz

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 03:44 PM

And here we are, in a topic complaining about the lack of customization (paint job) of a mech that no one else can get their hands on.

I imagine the way people like to be, someone is going to complain that we have our "activate" founder's time button now.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 03:45 PM

View PostFranklen Avignon, on 27 November 2012 - 03:41 PM, said:


1) Go buy the regular variant of that mech.

2) Paint away.

There are so many more pressing issues to attend to. Stop clogging the forums with nonsense posts about asinine things you wish were different because you don't understand how they were designed.


1) No, I already bought the 'mech I want. I should be able to paint it.

They shouldn't screw the founders over like this.

They never mentioned anywhere that the founders 'mechs were going to be excluded from customization like this, this really aggravates me. This stupid decision forces me to mothball all my founders 'mechs if I want to make use of the customization. Damn you Piranha Games, DAMN YOU.

Edited by EnigmaNL, 27 November 2012 - 03:47 PM.


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Posted 27 November 2012 - 03:45 PM

I'm sure they are pissed they can't repaint Yen-Lo-Wang in dazzle, too...

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 03:45 PM

View PostFranklen Avignon, on 27 November 2012 - 03:41 PM, said:


1) Go buy the regular variant of that mech.

2) Paint away.

There are so many more pressing issues to attend to. Stop clogging the forums with nonsense posts about asinine things you wish were different because you don't understand how they were designed.


Pretty sure you've "clogged" this post more than any other single person, and also so far are the only one flinging insults...

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 03:49 PM

I really don't see any problem being allowed to paint founders mechs just like the other mech types.

Considering founders have the option to hide their founders icon in the score screen at the end of the match I really don't see any reason why it shouldn't be possible to paint the mech using a default or other skin and then adding the colors.

If the default skin used on the other Atlas types was able to be applied to the founders atlas and was available as an option I'm sure many players would buy it.

Right now the founders skin is actually stopping me from buying a paintjob for the 4 founders mechs. I might be interested in a different camo skin and paintjob in the future but if I can't spend C-bills or MC to change it I guess that's more a problem for PGI than it is for me as I'll just continue to use my founders mechs in their current form.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 03:52 PM

View PostFranklen Avignon, on 27 November 2012 - 03:46 PM, said:


You are not being screwed. You are just being too childishly stubborn to understand how the Founder mechs work.


No I understand how they work perfectly fine. You can stop being a useless PG apologist now.

There are heaps and heaps of pressing matters with this game indeed, but this one is important to me. If it's not important to you, go bother someone else.

I like the fact that the founders 'mechs look a little bit different and I love the fact that they make me more C-bills but I absolutely despise the fact that they won't allow me to properly customize my 'mech. This means you can never truly be part of a unit with your founders 'mech, if you want to wear your colors you can't.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 03:53 PM

View PostFranklen Avignon, on 27 November 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

Founder mechs have different models than the standard variants. It's unlikely that they will devote the resources to redesigning each new paint scheme to work for them. You bought the founders as-is just like we all did. It's not punishment.

"Here's a new toy for everyone! Now you can repaint your favorite mechs! Except you, people who gave us money to help us eat and keep our lights on. Your favorite mechs don't get the toy. Not only that, but while you were away, we drew on your special mech with a poop coloured crayon!"

Also, I don't think "as-is" means what you think it means. That expression stopped being applicable the minute a piranha shaped person sneaked into my mechlab and changed the colours of my robot, then asked me for money to change it back to "as-was".





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