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[Kaijin]

With this latest revelation about how ECM will function and on what mechs it will be initially introduced:
http://mwomercs.com/...37#entry1499337

Jenners with ECM.....SERIOUSLY?

Instead of this cycle we experience here with the Devs rolling out (or speaking publicly about) hare-brained schemes, to be followed by mass rioting on the forums, I suggest a Community Council be elected by the Community, and then sworn to secrecy by IGP, and then PGI must submit all new ideas for vetting to the CC before they even get to the public announcement stage. PGI will be free to do as they please, of course, but I feel if they're getting good critical input, it might snip some of this krap in the bud.

Edited by Kaijin, 27 November 2012 - 10:01 PM.

[Axeman1]

No.

Would end up making changes most befitting of the hardcores, and lose PGI even more money.

[Kobold]

Ironically, the current plan for ECM mostly screws PUGs. The "hardcores" will be aware of it and adapt, meanwhile every poor guy who jumps into a game with a trial mech carrying mostly LRMs will be boned.

[superteds]

Axeman1, on 27 November 2012 - 04:08 PM, said:

No.

Would end up making changes most befitting of the hardcores, and lose PGI even more money.

So do it like the EvE CSM (lol csm) and have reps from all aspects of the community.

[TruePoindexter]

Kaijin, on 27 November 2012 - 04:07 PM, said:

With this latest revelation about how ECM will function and on what mechs it will be initially introduced:
http://mwomercs.com/...37#entry1499337

I think it's become fairly obvious that there isn't anyone at PGI with half a brain who has veto power on idea implementation.

Jenners with ECM.....SERIOUSLY?

Instead of this cycle we experience here with the Devs rolling out (or speaking publicly about) hare-brained schemes, to be followed by mass rioting on the forums, I suggest a Community Council be elected by the Community, and then sworn to secrecy by IGP, and then PGI must submit all new ideas for vetting to the CC before they even get to the public announcement stage. PGI will be free to do as they please, of course, but I feel if they're getting good critical input, it might snip some of this krap in the bud.

No - players do not have the perspective nor information to be able to make good decisions. Read through some of the horrible ideas posted on this forum and you'll understand. Let the devs make the game they choose to make and then we as players can choose to play.

Edited by TruePoindexter, 27 November 2012 - 04:19 PM.

[EmCeeMendez]

"PGI must submit all new ideas for vetting to the CC before they even get to the public announcement stage. PGI will be free to do as they please, of course"

Bold above mine.

What are you proposing? A group of people that get advanced access to the game, and then have no say in how it is implemented beyond written requests? Sounds like the system we already have.

[Kaijin]

TruePoindexter, on 27 November 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

No - players do not have the perspective nor information to be able to make good decisions. Read through some of the horrible ideas posted on this forum and you'll understand. Let the devs make the game they choose to make and then we as players can choose to play.

Indeed, some are horrible. Some are brilliant though. As horrible ideas go, what is you opinion on the present stated function of ECM and the fact you'll be able to stick it on a Jenner-D?

[Voridan Atreides]

I don't think this will help the game at all. Might just make things more worse than they are now...

[BlightFang]

Despite some off-the-wall and questionable implementations by PGI, I still trust them more on the development front and their own current dictatorship than the general community, and even worse, a suspicious select "council" from the community. This would change if PGI suddenly stopped being so interactive with the community, but they have been pretty good on that part thus-far overall.

If anything, I would prefer they hire another game designer with a good community-centric view and good enough foresight to cull bad implementations before they even happen.

[TruePoindexter]

Kaijin, on 27 November 2012 - 04:22 PM, said:

Indeed, some are horrible. Some are brilliant though. As horrible ideas go, what is you opinion on the present stated function of ECM and the fact you'll be able to stick it on a Jenner-D?

I'm unsure of what to think. On the one hand it seems like it will grant Jenners immunity from SSRM's which is an issue. On the other hand with counter ECM being available I'm not sure just how much of an issue. People act like the only way to kill a Jenner is with SSRM's which is just false. They work well against Jenners but are hardly the only way. Lag leading laser fire at their legs works very well too and once one leg is gone the whole mech blows shortly afterwards. This of course is dependent on your ability to lag lead. Being an NA player myself this isn't an issue.

My personal exception with the current proposal with ECM is not really in its behavior but in how it's limited per variant. It should be limited per chassis. Instead of just the JR7-D or AS7-D-DC all of the variants should be able to carry it. Some variants are already favored above others and don't need to be pushed even further ahead of the pack.

[Kaijin]

EmCeeMendez, on 27 November 2012 - 04:21 PM, said:

"PGI must submit all new ideas for vetting to the CC before they even get to the public announcement stage. PGI will be free to do as they please, of course"

Bold above mine.

What are you proposing? A group of people that get advanced access to the game, and then have no say in how it is implemented beyond written requests? Sounds like the system we already have.

What we've already got is PGI being free to read or ignore the forums, and free to reply or not to forum postings. The difference is that there would have to be some back and forth between PGI and the Council.

[Solis Obscuri]

Kobold, on 27 November 2012 - 04:14 PM, said:

Ironically, the current plan for ECM mostly screws PUGs. The "hardcores" will be aware of it and adapt, meanwhile every poor guy who jumps into a game with a trial mech carrying mostly LRMs will be boned.

TBH, every guy who drops in a medium that isn't a customized CDA-3M will be total dead wood on their team, and any assault that isn't an invisible AS7-D-DC will be pretty nearly so, too. And any scout besides the stock RVN-3L, if they're lucky enough to get it as a Trial.

[PewPew]

If there's one thing I know, it's that the community is stupider than PGI. It's the reason why they've wasted time and money on stupid additions like *******' Betty rather than core gameplay issues. It's also the reason why they're tweaking perfectly fine weapons that people cry about. And the reason why it takes so damned long to output new mechs. Because fans so rabidly demanded detailed cockpits when, in reality, people only look at the cockpit maybe once every 10 matches.

[Kaijin]

PewPew, on 27 November 2012 - 05:02 PM, said:

If there's one thing I know, it's that the community is stupider than PGI.

Oh yes - there's quite a few I wouldn't nominate for the council. But we do have some cool heads here. I can't find any fault with Mustrumridcully's IQ for example. And there are other mechanically-minded players I would trust with this responsibility.

[Adridos]

Kaijin, a gaming community is always just a community.

You can't expect that a hand-pick of XY strangers will prevent any kind of problems.

[Kaijin]

I wouldn't expect the CC to prevent problems - that would be up to PGI. Just a little oversight....

[anonymous175]

Since when is a committee ever a good idea?

[Kaijin]

Zeno Scarborough, on 27 November 2012 - 05:37 PM, said:

Since when is a committee ever a good idea?

Since putting a massively OP ECM on a Jenner of all things is considered by PGI to be a good idea?

[gregsolidus]

I do like secret clubs, they really should let us test these things before throwing therm out in the wild.

[Budor]

While Jenner (esp.D wtf) with ECM is ********, i am against this. Most people that play games have no idea how to actually balance them or make them fun.

Edited by Budor, 27 November 2012 - 07:32 PM.